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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Nov 26, 2013 19:39:33 GMT -5
Primco never seem to fully embrace the gimmick like Johnny Curtis did. The WWE can give gimmicks but it's up to the talent to make it their own and commit to it fully. If the internet had been prominent in the golden age of cartoony gimmicks, I wonder if we'd have seen posts along these lines. "The Red Rooster could have worked, Terry Taylor just wasn't enough of a cock." I'm more of the opinion that Los Matadores are doomed to fail not from lack of commitment to the gimmick, but because the whole thing is just plain stupid rather than stupidly fun. |
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Post by angryfan on Nov 26, 2013 19:45:44 GMT -5
Primco never seem to fully embrace the gimmick like Johnny Curtis did. The WWE can give gimmicks but it's up to the talent to make it their own and commit to it fully. If the internet had been prominent in the golden age of cartoony gimmicks, I wonder if we'd have seen posts along these lines. "The Red Rooster could have worked, Terry Taylor just wasn't enough of a cock." I'm more of the opinion that Los Matadores are doomed to fail not from lack of commitment to the gimmick, but because the whole thing is just plain stupid rather than stupidly fun. WWE has a history of taking gimmicks that, while cartoony, could be different and making them the kind of thing that makes Bugs and Daffy look like Reservoir Dogs. Doink the Clown is my favorite example. Matt Bourne, RIP, was awesome as the straight up wrestler with a sadistic streak who was just creepy as hell in the clown getup. But...can't have that, so let's make him funny, have Lombardi run with the gimmick, and have his finish involve a God damn whoopee cushion. Tito was El Matador", I get it, but he was a straight up wrestler. He had his gimmick, but he went in there and worked. Koko Ware was a comedy act, but when the bell rang, he was still treated as a serious competitor. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 19:51:26 GMT -5
Primco never seem to fully embrace the gimmick like Johnny Curtis did. The WWE can give gimmicks but it's up to the talent to make it their own and commit to it fully. If the internet had been prominent in the golden age of cartoony gimmicks, I wonder if we'd have seen posts along these lines. "The Red Rooster could have worked, Terry Taylor just wasn't enough of a cock." I'm more of the opinion that Los Matadores are doomed to fail not from lack of commitment to the gimmick, but because the whole thing is just plain stupid rather than stupidly fun. I think it could be stupidly fun but they just suck. We've seen all there is to see from them already and they've only been around for what like a couple months if even. When the highlight of your team is seeing how a midget is going to comically run into someone's balls or something because he's short... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 19:52:58 GMT -5
I get that it's a joke gimmick and everything, but In 2013 I find it hard to believe anyone would cheer on bullfighters. Maybe if you made them sleazy cowards who had someone attack their opponents backstage before the actual match that would make more sense. why would anyone not cheer on bullfighters? I'm sure bulls don't cheer bullfighters. |
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Nov 26, 2013 19:55:45 GMT -5
I thought it was funny when they went over the Real Americans on PPV, then The Real Americans went on after the loss to pretend it never happened and challenge for the tag titles. Like WWE realized "oh god, what have we done!?" Yeah, that was weird, Real Americans lose to Los Matadores on ppv & then the next night on Raw, Real Americans beat the tag champs Cody Rhodes & Goldust in a non-title match. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 26, 2013 19:59:42 GMT -5
Not wacky, kiddie friendly gimmicks that glorify the needless torture and slaughter of animals they don't. bet most people in the US don't even realize a bullfight ends with the bull being killed honest to god truth: I brought up bullfighting at work once and at least four people there all under 30 thought I was referring to that Running of the Bulls event. |
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Post by VersionOne on Nov 26, 2013 19:59:56 GMT -5
To me Los Matadores felt like a rushed, under developed reaction to the Olé, Olé, Olé chants from earlier in the year. WWE were hoping for the same reaction for Los Matadores but because it didn't catch on like they wanted it appears like they've cooled on the idea.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 26, 2013 20:05:01 GMT -5
please let me be clear, I'm not saying that bullfighters deserve to automatically be cheered, but I'm not seeing why they shouldn't be either? Plenty of places still have wacky gimmicks. Not wacky, kiddie friendly gimmicks that glorify the needless torture and slaughter of animals they don't. Is that what they plan to do to El Torito?! That poor tiny bull/man hybrid!  |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 26, 2013 20:42:05 GMT -5
What was so hard about letting Primo and Epico ditch Rosa and actually get in tag team programs? I remember watching their matches with Air Boom, and I thought to myself, "man, if I wasn't into wrestling and I caught this on tv, I'd be hooked." It was just fun to see them work together with their natural chemistry.
Oh well, at least they got a long tag title run and got to wrestle the New Age Outlaws.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 26, 2013 20:44:14 GMT -5
I get that it's a joke gimmick and everything, but In 2013 I find it hard to believe anyone would cheer on bullfighters. Maybe if you made them sleazy cowards who had someone attack their opponents backstage before the actual match that would make more sense. why would anyone not cheer on bullfighters? Because it's stupid, unrelatable bullshit? Just throwing that out there. |
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Post by mrjl on Nov 26, 2013 20:45:46 GMT -5
why would anyone not cheer on bullfighters? Because it's stupid, unrelatable bullshit? Just throwing that out there. why does anyone cheer anyone at a Chikara show then? |
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Post by stealthamo on Nov 26, 2013 20:47:52 GMT -5
Primco never seem to fully embrace the gimmick like Johnny Curtis did. The WWE can give gimmicks but it's up to the talent to make it their own and commit to it fully. If the internet had been prominent in the golden age of cartoony gimmicks, I wonder if we'd have seen posts along these lines. "The Red Rooster could have worked, Terry Taylor just wasn't enough of a cock." I'm more of the opinion that Los Matadores are doomed to fail not from lack of commitment to the gimmick, but because the whole thing is just plain stupid rather than stupidly fun. I think that it's mostly this. People bring up Fandango, but Curtis has the charisma to make that gimmick work. Primo and Epico are fine, but they're not that charismatic. Even when they initially debuted, people were really only paying attention to El Torito, and not on the actual team. Also, facing 3MB a couple times a week got old fast. |
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Post by mrjl on Nov 26, 2013 20:48:08 GMT -5
What was so hard about letting Primo and Epico ditch Rosa and actually get in tag team programs? I remember watching their matches with Air Boom, and I thought to myself, "man, if I wasn't into wrestling and I caught this on tv, I'd be hooked." It was just fun to see them work together with their natural chemistry. Oh well, at least they got a long tag title run and got to wrestle the New Age Outlaws. yes, but you say that as someone who's into wrestling. You're not a fair judge. It's sort of like that episode of the Simpsons where the Yearbook team thinks Lisa's hardwork on the yearbook will make everyone lover her, but no one cares. You care about it, so you say "everyone should think this is awesome" but that's not the case. |
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Post by mizerable on Nov 26, 2013 20:48:35 GMT -5
Let's just wait and see, guys.
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Post by CM Dazz on Nov 26, 2013 20:51:06 GMT -5
When the gimmick eventually does go away, the bull should be paired with Ricardo.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 26, 2013 20:52:02 GMT -5
Because it's stupid, unrelatable bullshit? Just throwing that out there. why does anyone cheer anyone at a Chikara show then? Because their entire product is of that same fun, absurd theme? It's not interspersed with serious angles, revenge and blood feuds that make things like that stand out as hokey and contrived? I think its ridiculous to have say a concussion angle or gang attack, wherein the announcers are acting all somber, then a few seconds later, a midget is running around goring people in the ass with foam horns and the same commentators are fake laughing and making bull jokes. It destroys the suspension of disbelief in the former. Its timing is absurd. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 26, 2013 21:11:03 GMT -5
I get that it's a joke gimmick and everything, but In 2013 I find it hard to believe anyone would cheer on bullfighters. Maybe if you made them sleazy cowards who had someone attack their opponents backstage before the actual match that would make more sense. why would anyone not cheer on bullfighters? A true progressive would never side with animal killers. |
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Post by BigWill on Nov 26, 2013 21:18:00 GMT -5
So they're not on TV for a week, and people are already assuming they're done?
At least wait until they get a segment with Triple H before considering them buried.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 26, 2013 21:22:54 GMT -5
why would anyone not cheer on bullfighters? I'm sure bulls don't cheer bullfighters. Derrick Rose doesn't know what he's missing. |
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Post by The Portable Stove on Nov 26, 2013 21:27:41 GMT -5
Los Matadores seem like they were doomed from the get go once they revealed Torito. A little guy in a bull costume is ridiculous enough to wrap around to be hilarious in a way, whereas two grown men as bullfighters come across as outstandingly lame.
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