Bad Moon
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Post by Bad Moon on Nov 27, 2013 2:14:08 GMT -5
You know what happens when a professional sports commentator when he starts talking about what's trending on Twitter right now in the middle of a championship game? He gets f***ing fired and rightly so.
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Rave
El Dandy
Perpetually Bored
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Post by Rave on Nov 27, 2013 4:40:24 GMT -5
They really just don't care. They go off on unrelated tangents, plug other stuff, and generally don't contribute anything positive to the in-ring product.
Plus I have to mute my TV during several entrances now solely because hearing JBL parrot stuff causes me to have homicidal urges.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 27, 2013 4:53:52 GMT -5
They need to call the matches and not "tell stories". That's the big thing that needs to change back.
I was a kid during WWF's first golden age, and I LOVED the commentary. Made me more excited to see the matches. So I don't think its dumbed down for kids, unless kids are significantly dumber now then they were 30 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 5:09:02 GMT -5
They need to call the matches and not "tell stories". That's the big thing that needs to change back. I was a kid during WWF's first golden age, and I LOVED the commentary. Made me more excited to see the matches. So I don't think its dumbed down for kids, unless kids are significantly dumber now then they were 30 years ago. I think it's mostly a product of WWE's transformation in recent years into this soulless, corporate monstrosity that seems to obsess about being as sleek and professional as they possibly can. It feels like you're constantly listening to the world's most schizophrenic, backwards infomercial combined with the world's least subtle fairy tale that feels the need to constantly tell you that the big bad wolf is a horrible monster who you are not supposed to root for, and that despite in WWE's world all of the piggies' houses being made out of concrete they keep trying to tell you how if he blows aggressively enough their house will come down.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 27, 2013 5:13:47 GMT -5
They need to call the matches and not "tell stories". That's the big thing that needs to change back. I was a kid during WWF's first golden age, and I LOVED the commentary. Made me more excited to see the matches. So I don't think its dumbed down for kids, unless kids are significantly dumber now then they were 30 years ago. I think it's mostly a product of WWE's transformation in recent years into this soulless, corporate monstrosity that seems to obsess about being as sleek and professional as they possibly can. It feels like you're constantly listening to the world's most schizophrenic, backwards infomercial combined with the world's least subtle fairy tale that feels the need to constantly tell you that the big bad wolf is a horrible monster who you are not supposed to root for, and that despite in WWE's world all of the piggies' houses being made out of concrete they keep trying to tell you how if he blows aggressively enough their house will come down. You forgot the part where half the time, the fans end up sympathizing for the wolf, partially because they end up accidentally telling stories that make the wolf into the underdog.
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Pushed to the Moon
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Tony Schiavone in Disguise
Working myself into a shoot
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Nov 27, 2013 5:18:24 GMT -5
Cole is focused on plugging some bullshit, usually an app, company man JBL just runs through his "this product is GREAT" lines, and King quietly sits there occasionally getting a word in. This is my problem with Cole. He isn't really "commentating" as much as he's reading out a list of pre-prepared things he has to promote or pre scripted lines describing wrestlers. He'll only break away from that just to say "A IS TRYING TO KNOCK OFF B HERE! 1....2....NO HE KICKED OUT" and just go back to reading out loud. Like "Vickie sent out a tweet today....", "You know guys Sandow did an interview on WWE.com..." "You know guys, Goldust was one of the major players in the attitude era". I know people make fun of Vince's commentary but I watched Austin/Bret from Survivor Series 96 the other day and I found the commentary from him and JR so good (even though Vince called an atomic drop a "reverse piledrive") because they sounded genuinely into what they were watching.
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JoDaNa1281
Crow T. Robot
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Nov 27, 2013 5:32:58 GMT -5
I think it's mostly a product of WWE's transformation in recent years into this soulless, corporate monstrosity that seems to obsess about being as sleek and professional as they possibly can. It feels like you're constantly listening to the world's most schizophrenic, backwards infomercial combined with the world's least subtle fairy tale that feels the need to constantly tell you that the big bad wolf is a horrible monster who you are not supposed to root for, and that despite in WWE's world all of the piggies' houses being made out of concrete they keep trying to tell you how if he blows aggressively enough their house will come down. You forgot the part where half the time, the fans end up sympathizing for the wolf, partially because they end up accidentally telling stories that make the wolf into the underdog. The wolf just wanted to borrow a cup of sugar to bake a cake, but those pigs were dicks to him. (Speaking of references not from this decade.)
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2013 6:39:58 GMT -5
Who'da thunk it in 1998, or even in 2007, that a three-man team featuring JBL, Cole and King would have COLE as the strongest link? I mean I always found Cole underrated, but even I knew that JBL and King ran rings around him when they put effort in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 6:42:59 GMT -5
Not only can it get annoying, it also fails at it's primary objective a lot of the time.
Those guys are there specifically to help get stuff over and they seldom seem like they are even trying to do that.
JBL is too busy trying to put himself over. Michael is a toolbox that's no better now then when he started. and Jerry's just happy to be alive.
Those three couldn't sell me a box of girl scout cookies at this point and I am a complete dosido mark.
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Post by whatamaneuver on Nov 27, 2013 6:44:33 GMT -5
King and JBL are too comfortable phoning it in.
I say put Michael Cole with Renee Young and Colt Cabana on Smackdown and see what happens.
Generate some internal competition. If the status quo don't up their game, they get replaced.
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Boshek
Mephisto
I miss the WWF at Scranton CYC
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Post by Boshek on Nov 27, 2013 7:09:07 GMT -5
"Ut oh. UT OH. UT OH!!!" My new least favorite JBL line ...
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mrbananagrabber
King Koopa
Paul Heyman's unofficial joke writer
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Nov 27, 2013 7:28:43 GMT -5
It's all JBL's fault He's just trying to be JBL instead of calling matches and it's extremely annoying. Him saying "What's up!" during R-Truth's entrance, aka the part the crowd's supposed to say, annoys me every single week *Mention the Wyatt's* JBL: WHY DON'T YOU GO ASK'EM, MAAGLE!? *Observe the Wyatt's* JBL: WHY DON'T YOU GO ASK'EM, MAAGLE!? *Inquire about the Wyatt's* JBL: WHY DON'T YOU GO ASK'EM MAAGLE!? *Praise the Wyatt's* JBL: WHY DON'T YOU GO TELL'EM MAAGLE!? Oh, f***ing THIS. When did he start this bullshit? Cole can't say ANYTHING without JBL playing that idiotic card. If I hear "Mr Journalist?" one more time... arrrrghh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 7:48:40 GMT -5
the thing that annoys me most about commentary is when they talk through the wyatts entrance. Its probably vinces choice but i think it one of those times where silence on there part would do more for the overall presentation of the Wyatts
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Nov 27, 2013 7:52:13 GMT -5
TWERK TWERK TWERK HAHAHAAHAHAHAH TWERK TWERK TWERK!
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 27, 2013 7:58:26 GMT -5
Not only can it get annoying, it also fails at it's primary objective a lot of the time. Those guys are there specifically to help get stuff over and they seldom seem like they are even trying to do that. JBL is too busy trying to put himself over. Michael is a toolbox that's no better now then when he started. and Jerry's just happy to be alive. Those three couldn't sell me a box of girl scout cookies at this point and I am a complete dosido mark. Jerry could probably sell you the actual Girl Scout, though. He probably has a few somewhere.
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Banecat
Don Corleone
Speak of the devil and he shall appear
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Post by Banecat on Nov 27, 2013 9:20:09 GMT -5
Jerry could probably sell you the actual Girl Scout, though. He probably has a few somewhere. Like Lawler is gonna share his dating pool with any of us.
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Lancers
El Dandy
Oh you
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Post by Lancers on Nov 27, 2013 9:28:32 GMT -5
The commentary trio is a great piece of symbolism of the company's overall attitude towards their own product. They seem to be more interested in promoting other things like the WWE app, movies, Total Divas, Twitter, charity work, etc. And if there's a match involving a couple of midcarders the WWE has no interest in elevating, the trio turns into a comedy troupe completely forgetting that something is happening in the ring.
I can't stand listening to the commentary team, but I'm fully aware that their annoying banter is very likely being encouraged by individuals above their pay grade.
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VersionOne
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Post by VersionOne on Nov 27, 2013 10:29:14 GMT -5
Something is definitely a miss at the RAW booth. I can't place blame directly at one person's door, although a case of Lamezyness (Patent Pending) for Lawler. Other then that, I like JBL and if Joey Styles is to believed Cole is one of the hardest working unsung heroes in the company and far as the fans are concerned and I think he does a pretty good job.
The probable cause of the disjointness at commentary isn't the people speaking but what they're told to say. I've gotta believe that the recent tangents and other shenanigans are at the very least encouraged in an attempt to keep the tweet count up. I also think the commentary to "storytelling" ratio they like so much has gone too far the "storytelling" side.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 27, 2013 11:07:06 GMT -5
They sound like a bunch of fans laughing at everything they see instead of sounding like a professional sports commentating team. Yep that's the main issue, they're more interested in bickering and making each other laugh than attempting to enhance the product.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 27, 2013 11:09:50 GMT -5
All three can do good things, but as a unit, on RAW, the whole thing is a mess.
JBL when he first started commentating on SD, after he stopped just being his own heel character and putting himself over, became a fantastic color man. He would make anyone, short of the people he couldn't stand, sound good. He would point out the little things they did and give a wrestler's perspective.
He also had the Heenan trait of "I hated this guy before, I still hate him now, I don't care if the fans love him or hate him, I can't stand him".
Micheal, while viewed for ages as a trainwreck, had two people he worked with who made him better and let him play to his own strengths. Taz and JBL. That was on SD, once again, where he seemed to get that he should put the performers over.
King was held in check by JR for the most part. He had his terrible moments, but he didn't do the lion's share of talking.
Now you take the two people who were a success on SD, you move them to RAW to replace JR, and you micromanage the hell out of them. You have them stop doing the positive things that I mentioned above, and turn them into, almost, Tony Schiavone clones.
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