Madagascar Fred
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Nov 27, 2013 11:56:34 GMT -5
whether it's Kaitlyn's or Mark Henry's returns or Cena tagging with Show again, Kane turning face/heel twice within a year, Sandow and Ziggler feuding over NOTHING...why dont they care bout continuing past stories/rivalries and telling a LOGIC, compelling story for once? whats the motivation for all these guys and gals?
it's getting beyond ridiculous
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 27, 2013 12:09:53 GMT -5
Well, because they like doing what they want, when they want. From their perspective, continuity just gets in the way.
The WWE is like a comic book. It only respects continuity when it's convenient.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 27, 2013 12:10:30 GMT -5
whether it's Kaitlyn's or Mark Henry's returns or Cena tagging with Show again, Kane turning face/heel twice within a year, Sandow and Ziggler feuding over NOTHING...why dont they care bout continuing past stories/rivalries and telling a LOGIC, compelling story for once? whats the motivation for all these guys and gals? it's getting beyond ridiculous It should matter, from a basic screenwriting standpoint, it should matter. But they're not wrestling, it's not like a movie, it's a "weekly, episodic experience". Thus, it should matter less, since in sitcoms, changing relationships between characters are never consistent, and love/hate relationships can change on a dime...oh, wait, no they don't do that there either. I applaud when they actually reference the past. Orton's reason for gong after Triple H being the 2004 turn? Beautiful. Saying "I know what kind of person you are, but I can let that go for now because I need you" works too. I even loved Edge's calling Kane out and the resulting "hug it out" bit. Somehow it worked because it acknowledged the narrative. But just the random "yep, we're fine now, yay best friends". I think ideally Vince wants to be a puppeteer. Cheer when he says, boo when he says, because it validates how smart he is. |
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 27, 2013 12:18:53 GMT -5
It's one of the things that bothers me a lot about wrestling these days, and sometimes I question why I even watch.
WWE could be so good, so very, very good if they had the slightest respect for basic storytelling. But, the almighty dollar is what matters, and the WWE is too scared to invest in something for the long haul (even if it would end up making more money). So you get stop-start pushes, looses ends never resolved, people coming and going without explanation, and overall weakness.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 27, 2013 12:26:41 GMT -5
One of my favorite moments from the Invasion involved continuity that, I'm willing to bet, lots of casual fans didn't catch. Test was asked for a favor, some Alliance duties or some crap. He said, "If Shane-o needs it done, I'll do it, but I'm not doing anything to help that bitch".
I remember it over a decade later not because I was some huge Test mark, but because it was a rare moment of someone understanding that relationships between characters aren't just throw away and forgotten by the fans as soon as the segment ends.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 27, 2013 17:09:46 GMT -5
I actually think they've done a better job with continuity in the past few years than they have in awhile. Except for ADR turning face, that was pointless.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 27, 2013 17:18:52 GMT -5
whether it's Kaitlyn's or Mark Henry's returns or Cena tagging with Show again, Kane turning face/heel twice within a year, Sandow and Ziggler feuding over NOTHING...why dont they care bout continuing past stories/rivalries and telling a LOGIC, compelling story for once? whats the motivation for all these guys and gals? it's getting beyond ridiculous announcing has acknowledged Kaitlyn didn't like her teammates. |
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 27, 2013 17:21:32 GMT -5
whether it's Kaitlyn's or Mark Henry's returns or Cena tagging with Show again, Kane turning face/heel twice within a year, Sandow and Ziggler feuding over NOTHING...why dont they care bout continuing past stories/rivalries and telling a LOGIC, compelling story for once? whats the motivation for all these guys and gals? it's getting beyond ridiculous It should matter, from a basic screenwriting standpoint, it should matter. But they're not wrestling, it's not like a movie, it's a "weekly, episodic experience". Thus, it should matter less, since in sitcoms, changing relationships between characters are never consistent, and love/hate relationships can change on a dime...oh, wait, no they don't do that there either. I applaud when they actually reference the past. Orton's reason for gong after Triple H being the 2004 turn? Beautiful. Saying "I know what kind of person you are, but I can let that go for now because I need you" works too. I even loved Edge's calling Kane out and the resulting "hug it out" bit. Somehow it worked because it acknowledged the narrative. But just the random "yep, we're fine now, yay best friends". I think ideally Vince wants to be a puppeteer. Cheer when he says, boo when he says, because it validates how smart he is. Imagine if other TV shows had WWE writing them. Breaking Bad: I used to be a meth manufacturer so that I could pay for my cancer treatment and support my family, but I became a badass crime kingpin, but tomorrow I'm going to go to clown college! The Sopranos: I'm a mafia boss who struggles to keep control over his personal life with his family and his business life with his 'family', but now I'm a Jedi Knight who battles Sith Lords with my lightsaber! VRRRRRRRR. Six Feet Under: We're a family that encounters the reality of death everyday, often dealing with our own physical, mental, and emotional issues when provoked by the dead and the grieving. Now it's time for a wacky dance number! Wrestling works best as a serialized narrative of pseudo-sports competition that happens to feature really off-the-wall personalities of good and evil. It's now more like a variety comedy show or a loosely connected series of product placements that happens to have wrestling in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 17:21:37 GMT -5
It makes everything seem more important. Oh shit Orton punted Punk. This is going to haunt him later. It can make every moment seem important
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 27, 2013 17:29:06 GMT -5
Well, because they like doing what they want, when they want. From their perspective, continuity just gets in the way. The WWE is like a comic book. It only respects continuity when it's convenient. I don't remember Spiderman or Batman constantly switching between hero and villain. I really hate how they don't follow even the most basic continuity. How long has it been since Orton was terrorizing the McMahons? He kisses HHH's unconscious wife in front him. A few years later, he'd rather have that guy as champ than fan favorite of his own company, Daniel Bryan, because he's B+. |
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 27, 2013 17:34:03 GMT -5
Its been that way for a LONG time, even before Attitude. Just look at stuff like orndorff and muraco on hogan's survivor series team, snuka on piper's team, the warrior/undertaker team ups from 1992, etc.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 27, 2013 17:35:18 GMT -5
The WWE is like a comic book. It only respects continuity when it's convenient. I don't remember Spiderman or Batman constantly switching between hero and villain. |
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Post by mrjl on Nov 27, 2013 17:35:41 GMT -5
Well, because they like doing what they want, when they want. From their perspective, continuity just gets in the way. The WWE is like a comic book. It only respects continuity when it's convenient. I don't remember Spiderman or Batman constantly switching between hero and villain. I really hate how they don't follow even the most basic continuity. How long has it been since Orton was terrorizing the McMahons? He kisses HHH's unconscious wife in front him. A few years later, he'd rather have that guy as champ than fan favorite of his own company, Daniel Bryan, because he's B+. ego is a thing that can affect your decisions. Making Orton the face of the company allows him greater power over him and it proves he was right when he brought Orton into Evolution |
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Post by slappy on Nov 27, 2013 17:38:42 GMT -5
Because people will complain that the match/feud has been done to death.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 27, 2013 17:40:31 GMT -5
I don't remember Spiderman or Batman constantly switching between hero and villain. I really hate how they don't follow even the most basic continuity. How long has it been since Orton was terrorizing the McMahons? He kisses HHH's unconscious wife in front him. A few years later, he'd rather have that guy as champ than fan favorite of his own company, Daniel Bryan, because he's B+. ego is a thing that can affect your decisions. Making Orton the face of the company allows him greater power over him and it proves he was right when he brought Orton into Evolution I'm not buying that logic for one second. |
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Post by saintpat on Nov 27, 2013 17:57:15 GMT -5
I agree and disagree.
There needs to be some respect for and nod to past storylines -- I could swear HHH made some remark since the past wife-kissing, father-in-law stomping feud explaining that they'd had their differences but despite all that Orton is what's Best for Business, but maybe I imagined that.
But there is a difference between pro wrestling and other episodic television. Shows that have been on for a comparable number of years -- soap operas for instances -- often have the same forget-the-past twists and alignment changes. Watch Young and the Restless for 10 or 15 years and I'd be you'd find a lot of friends-turned-enemies and such.
You're dealing with a relatively small number of characters -- some leave and some new ones come, but a lot of the main roster hasn't changed in 10 or more years. If every past interaction that HHH or Cena or even Miz had to be expained when they encounter that person again ... they'd run out of hours and also basically be saying, "This is completely ridiculous, are you really buying this" to the viewers.
I work with people I've had disagreements with -- serious disagreements -- but I don't bring that up every time I see them. They know it and I know it, but we don't have a conversation about it every time we walk into a meeting so the rest of the room understands: How stilted would that be: "Yes, Randy, let's take a look at our history ..."
That's because it's WRESTLING. There are going to be things that don't happen in real life -- Orton would have been arrested in real life for handcuffing another man's wife and assaulting here (in front of thousands of witnesses). If you're going to let that go, you should be able to let go that a few years later all is forgiven without a longwinded explanation.
Sometimes it needs to be brought up because it's pertinent to what's going on, but mostly not.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 27, 2013 19:13:15 GMT -5
I really hate how they don't follow even the most basic continuity. How long has it been since Orton was terrorizing the McMahons? He kisses HHH's unconscious wife in front him. A few years later, he'd rather have that guy as champ than fan favorite of his own company, Daniel Bryan, because he's B+. I actually think this moment worked better because of all their bad blood and history, because it showed what a bunch of shameless sellouts all of them are. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 27, 2013 19:15:52 GMT -5
I really hate how they don't follow even the most basic continuity. How long has it been since Orton was terrorizing the McMahons? He kisses HHH's unconscious wife in front him. A few years later, he'd rather have that guy as champ than fan favorite of his own company, Daniel Bryan, because he's B+. I actually think this moment worked better because of all their bad blood and history, because it showed what a bunch of shameless sellouts all of them are. Yeah, I didn't see that as lack of continuity so much as it was driving home what huge scumbags The Corporation are. This man terrorized their family and they're letting him be the face of their company because it's "good for business." IIRC, HHH has actually brought up that feud a couple of times. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 27, 2013 19:26:23 GMT -5
I really hate how they don't follow even the most basic continuity. How long has it been since Orton was terrorizing the McMahons? He kisses HHH's unconscious wife in front him. A few years later, he'd rather have that guy as champ than fan favorite of his own company, Daniel Bryan, because he's B+. I actually think this moment worked better because of all their bad blood and history, because it showed what a bunch of shameless sellouts all of them are. That would only work IF Orton was good for business but ratings dip when he's champ so it makes no sense anyway you cut it. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 27, 2013 19:38:58 GMT -5
Continuity shouldn't matter because it's wrestling. It's supposed to be a legitimate sport. Cena is tagging with Big Show because The Authority says he's going to tag with Big Show whether he likes it or not. Kaitlyn is tagging with AJ because the people in charge arranged the teams that way whether she or the other divas like it or not (but to keep continuity, they've shown that she doesn't).
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