Fiddleford H. McGucket
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Dec 1, 2013 15:38:15 GMT -5
I've noticed this a lot in some of the....Smaller indy shows I've seen recently, but what's up with the ring ropes, and at times the turnbuckles, being like....crazy loose? Is it because the ring is so much smaller, poor craftsmanship, or both? It seems like it would be a safety hazard as well.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 1, 2013 16:51:07 GMT -5
I'd imagine it's probably poor craftsmanship due to a lower budget, or perhaps time constraints.
But yeah, it seems rather unsafe.
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Post by Loser on Dec 1, 2013 16:57:40 GMT -5
PWG's had a few notorious moments.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Dec 1, 2013 17:12:40 GMT -5
Check out Kenny Omega's tumble in that first video. Very unsafe.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Dec 1, 2013 17:22:15 GMT -5
I have a hard time watching anything that happens in a ring that's the size of a postage stamp, especially if it's not put together properly.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 1, 2013 18:47:37 GMT -5
It's not a recent thing either. Back in the day the AWA would have some crazy loose ring ropes as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 19:10:48 GMT -5
I think that whoever put it together just didn't tighten the turnbuckles. You should be able to make that thing as tight as you want.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Dec 1, 2013 19:18:24 GMT -5
I've noticed that in a lot of older clips (older being before there were many high flyers) the ropes seemed very loose. My guess would be to not have so much strain on the ropes so they wouldn't break easily.
I imagine they got tightened up when moves off the turnbuckles became more common place. I can imagine loose ropes would make those moves harder to perform.
All of the is based on observation and guesswork, and there was no fact checking done. So I could be WAYYYYY off.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2013 19:23:50 GMT -5
I remember noticing that when I watched Bret Hart's DVD for the first time and saw his match vs. DiBiase. The ring ropes seemed very loose, even for that era WWF.
As said above, I think a lot of the changes in ring ropes stem from how many more wrestlers there are that use them for springboard/turnbuckle/flying moves. Loose ropes obviously wouldn't allow much freedom to do that.
That said I'm curious about the overall safety offered by looser or tighter ropes. Maybe some allow different moves to be done, but there may be aspects of running into really tight ring ropes that can be extra dangerous for the wrestlers.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 1, 2013 22:03:17 GMT -5
I've noticed that in a lot of older clips (older being before there were many high flyers) the ropes seemed very loose. My guess would be to not have so much strain on the ropes so they wouldn't break easily. I imagine they got tightened up when moves off the turnbuckles became more common place. I can imagine loose ropes would make those moves harder to perform. All of the is based on observation and guesswork, and there was no fact checking done. So I could be WAYYYYY off. It's easier to break them when they're loose, as opposed to fairly tight. |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Dec 1, 2013 22:09:04 GMT -5
I've noticed that in a lot of older clips (older being before there were many high flyers) the ropes seemed very loose. My guess would be to not have so much strain on the ropes so they wouldn't break easily. I imagine they got tightened up when moves off the turnbuckles became more common place. I can imagine loose ropes would make those moves harder to perform. All of the is based on observation and guesswork, and there was no fact checking done. So I could be WAYYYYY off. It's easier to break them when they're loose, as opposed to fairly tight. For real? Not doubting you. It just seems counter intuitive to me. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 1, 2013 22:16:13 GMT -5
It's easier to break them when they're loose, as opposed to fairly tight. For real? Not doubting you. It just seems counter intuitive to me. Yeah, it's all about having the tension just right. If they're overtightened, they'll probably break. If they're too loose, they'll probably break as soon as a big guy hits them. |
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 1, 2013 22:33:46 GMT -5
It's easier to break them when they're loose, as opposed to fairly tight. For real? Not doubting you. It just seems counter intuitive to me. Depends on the rope. If it's a lift cable, you need it tight or it's gonna fall off. If it's an actual rope, then if it's too tight it may break outright. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 1, 2013 22:39:32 GMT -5
Too tight can be really dangerous. See Foley's ear. Or don't, because they tore it right the f*** off.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 1, 2013 23:00:31 GMT -5
For real? Not doubting you. It just seems counter intuitive to me. Depends on the rope. If it's a lift cable, you need it tight or it's gonna fall off. If it's an actual rope, then if it's too tight it may break outright. Exactly. It's gotta be tight, but not too tight or too loose. Using a metaphor, Body temperature should be right around 98.6 degrees, A degree or two too high or low & you're sick as a dog. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 2, 2013 0:22:20 GMT -5
a discussion of "loose ring ropes" and no one has brought up IWA: Mid-South?
for shame!
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 2, 2013 0:39:29 GMT -5
rats....they're called ring RATS
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 2, 2013 1:02:09 GMT -5
I remember being at a WWE Raw when Sin Cara was wrestling and they tightened the ring ropes right during the commercial break before he came out.
I'm amazed WWE hasn't had a real rope issue on a TV show in years. Even the smaller guys are still 200+ lb guys hitting those ropes at a high rate of speed.
Ropes were often looser in the old days because no one did athletic moves involving them besides the Andre spot. And also ring technology has gotten a lot better since. WWE's ring in particular is fantastic as the bumps aren't as rough (it doesn't have the spring that makes a great sound which hurt the guys more) and the ropes are strong material that doesn't blemish the skin.
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Post by thetower52 on Dec 2, 2013 3:07:54 GMT -5
Loose ropes are a safety issue with the chances of falling through them greatly increased
It's scary as hell hitting really loose ropes
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 2, 2013 11:07:36 GMT -5
I think a lot of it with the small indies promotions is that they reused ropes and over time they get stretched and become looser. Being so small of a promotion they may not have the budget to replace right away.
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