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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 18:49:46 GMT -5
clearly this is CM Punk and Daniel Bryan's fault. 3/4 of the PPVs headlined by Bryan were down. The one that was up was Cena's return show. These are the facts of the matter. And Cena was right alongside him on the first of them, and the show had Lesnar to boot. Where's his blame? Where's Orton's for headlining all of those shows alongside Bryan?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 18:54:10 GMT -5
Survivor Series deserves even worse buyrates. I don't think Survivor Series will do historically bad numbers just because, well, it's still got some prestige. However, if it comes in with a bad buyrate, or significant drop from last year, who can they blame? It was the Orton/Show/Trips program. I guess Show, since to look at commonalities would be unheard of. Survivor Series doesn't even have any prestige anymore. One look at the buyrates over the years will show that the WWE has killed any interest the casual fan has with Survivor Series by booking non-consequential, predictable matches year after year and killing any mystique or enthusiasm people had for the elimination matches. Ten years ago Survivor Series was pushing 400,000 buys and was nearly tied with SummerSlam for being the 3rd biggest show of the year. Last year it got a measly 208,000 buys, miles behind SummerSlam, overtaken by Extreme Rules, and only JUST beating out the regular 'B' shows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 19:11:34 GMT -5
And because I'm a nerd for these things, for anyone wondering what the lowest buyrates in WWE history are;
The current holder is December 2 Dismember with just 90,000 buys. Next lowest is Vengeance 2011 which managed a measly 121,000 buys, ironically followed by the PPV it was supposed to replace on a permanent basis, Bragging Rights 2010 which got just 137,000 buys.
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Post by kevin on Dec 3, 2013 19:13:32 GMT -5
Having two payperveiws that close together is a terrible idea. I assume they justify it by thinking just one would do worse buy rates than two, but if they just focused had hell in a cell they could have had a much better build to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 19:22:05 GMT -5
Having two payperveiws that close together is a terrible idea. I assume they justify it by thinking just one would do worse buy rates than two, but if they just focused had hell in a cell they could have had a much better build to it. Yeah, they already have far too many PPVs at far too high a price as it is. The whole reason they upped the number of PPVs in the first place was to compete with WCW, so what's the excuse now other than sponging money from people who don't know any better?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 19:38:42 GMT -5
And because I'm a nerd for these things, for anyone wondering what the lowest buyrates in WWE history are; The current holder is December 2 Dismember with just 90,000 buys. Next lowest is Vengeance 2011 which managed a measly 121,000 buys, ironically followed by the PPV it was supposed to replace on a permanent basis, Bragging Rights 2010 which got just 137,000 buys. So the moral is, the non-Hell in a Cell October PPV is doomed to fail in general. They had the right idea ditching it last year and got a solid Hell in a Cell number for it, so makes you wonder why the hell they went back to it this year. Though while we're on the subject, I'm convinced to this day December to Dismember was deliberate sabotage, given it was a week after Survivor Series and two weeks before I think it was Armageddon, it only had two matches announced in advance one of which included Test (who at that point was well past the point of potentially ever getting someone to care about him, honestly) and Lashley who a couple of months prior they'd been terrified to let main event a SmackDown main event and backed out on doing so at the last moment (also Hardcore Holly, but that wasn't announced in advance), and they moved the show from Hammerstein to some other building where they wouldn't get as much of a traditional ECW crowd fairly last-minute. There is absolutely no way that they could have expected the show to be any good or to do well.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 3, 2013 19:43:45 GMT -5
Hey WWE, nice speaking to you again. Listen, you know that habit you have of doing two PPVs in one month? Yeah, stop doing that. It doesn't work. yeah between Summerslam and Survivor Series it felt like we got another PPV every 2-3 weeks. even without the godawful build and the main event being so ridiculously telegraphed Mr. Magoo could've predicted it, that kind of thing was bound to bite them in the ass. I don't think it comes down to one guy (it never does and only a total idiot would run their company thinking that way) so much as terrible booking and too many PPVs in too short a time.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 3, 2013 19:46:49 GMT -5
If you have more shows, you're going to have shows with fewer buys, but that doesn't necessarily mean less profit. We'd have to calculate that using factors we don't have, but it's not like without Battleground, the remaining PPVs would automatically get 125,000-130,000 more buys to make up for its loss.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 3, 2013 20:07:21 GMT -5
If you have more shows, you're going to have shows with fewer buys, but that doesn't necessarily mean less profit. We'd have to calculate that using factors we don't have, but it's not like without Battleground, the remaining PPVs would automatically get 125,000-130,000 more buys to make up for its loss. The question I want to know is whether the fans who ordered Battleground are the SAME fans who ordered Hell in a Cell who are the SAME fans who ordered Survivor Series.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 20:18:49 GMT -5
According to some reports, next year it's June or July that's supposed to get two PPVs. But they will have at least three weeks in between if I remember right. That may or may not mean the main event angle after The Authority will be screwy around Summer, but it will hopefully be smoother in the Fall no matter what.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 3, 2013 20:35:37 GMT -5
Couple factors to consider. Obvious one is Battlefield being totally unnecessary with a half-assed build. Nobody thought that show was going to do well. Not to mention a lot of people were buying the new WWE video game that month - that's a very important factor when it comes to the disposable income someone will throw at WWE. Another thing to consider is that Bryan being in an actual main event position was a risk. SummerSlam still should have done better. You had a fresh main event, BARACK LEZNAR, and the allure of SummerSlam itself. It's not hard to imagine that putting a new guy, a guy whose weakness were exposed for weeks on end in the build, into a big main event might not translate well for everyone. Hell in the Cell doing alright could have more to do with the dynamic of Shawn as ref and the appeal of seeing a HitC match.
The fate of Daniel Bryan as a PPV main event guy may depend on the Survivor Series buyrate. Let's hope it sucks, too. Or...well, it's The Big Show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 20:55:28 GMT -5
Well the problem was that most people willing to buy that PPV were in abeyance at the time.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 3, 2013 21:36:30 GMT -5
clearly this is CM Punk and Daniel Bryan's fault. They can't draw a dime. FALSE.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 23:07:33 GMT -5
Couple factors to consider. Obvious one is Battlefield being totally unnecessary with a half-assed build. Nobody thought that show was going to do well. Not to mention a lot of people were buying the new WWE video game that month - that's a very important factor when it comes to the disposable income someone will throw at WWE. Another thing to consider is that Bryan being in an actual main event position was a risk. SummerSlam still should have done better. You had a fresh main event, BARACK LEZNAR, and the allure of SummerSlam itself. It's not hard to imagine that putting a new guy, a guy whose weakness were exposed for weeks on end in the build, into a big main event might not translate well for everyone. Hell in the Cell doing alright could have more to do with the dynamic of Shawn as ref and the appeal of seeing a HitC match. The fate of Daniel Bryan as a PPV main event guy may depend on the Survivor Series buyrate. Let's hope it sucks, too. Or...well, it's The Big Show. His weaknesses were exposed in what way???
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 4, 2013 0:13:43 GMT -5
It always sorta amazes me anyone buys ppvs at all anymore, with the cost, general shittiness, fact that you'll see what happened the very next night, and have dvds if you want to watch the matches, not to mention alternative methods of watching if so inclined; people plunking down a tank of gas (2/3rds for me as I drive a 4wd) per month is just alien to me.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Dec 4, 2013 0:21:05 GMT -5
If anyone blames any wrestler for the buyrates, no offence but....
YOU ARE A f***ING MORON
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Post by DoubleDare on Dec 4, 2013 0:34:08 GMT -5
It always sorta amazes me anyone buys ppvs at all anymore, with the cost, general shittiness, fact that you'll see what happened the very next night, and have dvds if you want to watch the matches, not to mention alternative methods of watching if so inclined; people plunking down a tank of gas (2/3rds for me as I drive a 4wd) per month is just alien to me. I drive a mazda 3, so its like 2 tanks of gas for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 1:50:13 GMT -5
Who buys these in the first place? The matches happen over again the next night on RAW in most cases. I bought them solely to pledge money towards Daniel Bryan's push, only to be made a fool of.
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Post by KobashiChop on Dec 4, 2013 4:04:26 GMT -5
Just goes to show guys can't draw if the booking sucks ass.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 4, 2013 4:13:15 GMT -5
What was last year's Cell buyrate?
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