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Post by Glitch on Dec 3, 2013 23:51:19 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that's not true?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 4, 2013 0:07:16 GMT -5
There may have been a bump back in 2010 or so but the magic was lost really quickly.
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Post by bob on Dec 4, 2013 0:19:51 GMT -5
the problem was that TNA shot their Hogan wad way too soon. They went on a media frenzy after signing Hogan and promoting him..............but for sine stupid reason he didn't show up for a few months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 0:25:50 GMT -5
I have it on good authority that Hogan boosted attendance in Bubba the Love Sponge's wife. So, partial truth.
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Post by Danimal on Dec 4, 2013 11:29:22 GMT -5
There may have been a bump back in 2010 or so but the magic was lost really quickly. Ya, Hogan wasn't a longterm fix for attendance or ratings. He couldn't really wrestle anymore and nostalgia fades with overexposure. Thing is he could've been a difference-maker. When he and RVD came to TNA the show had momentum and ratings were up. Then they went with the INSANE idea of trying to restart the Monday Night Wars. Of course they lost and had to head back to Thursdays with their tails between their legs and ratings back in the basement. All the momentum/boost Hogan brought was out the window. |
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Post by Juice on Dec 4, 2013 11:38:05 GMT -5
IDK guys, what kind of house shows were they running before Hogan left, cause apparently they are in high school gyms like a small indie now.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 4, 2013 12:02:07 GMT -5
There may have been a bump back in 2010 or so but the magic was lost really quickly. Ya, Hogan wasn't a longterm fix for attendance or ratings. He couldn't really wrestle anymore and nostalgia fades with overexposure. Thing is he could've been a difference-maker. When he and RVD came to TNA the show had momentum and ratings were up. Then they went with the INSANE idea of trying to restart the Monday Night Wars. Of course they lost and had to head back to Thursdays with their tails between their legs and ratings back in the basement. All the momentum/boost Hogan brought was out the window. To be fair, you can't place all the blame TNA for ruining Hogan's momentum with the move to Mondays when it was something he and Bischoff pushed for in the first place. They believed two guys who managed to turn a company into the serious contender to the WWF knew what they were doing... A decision I'm sure they regret, but that's hindsight for you. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 4, 2013 12:05:16 GMT -5
Well when I went to a house show the friday following Hulk's debut the place was packed... like a year later it was like 1/2 full... so my anecdotal evidence says so  Granted I wouldn't be horribly surprised if the venue was also to blame since the lighting rig was way too low for them to be holding wrestling matches. |
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Post by onetruemisfit on Dec 4, 2013 12:28:33 GMT -5
I was excited when he debuted and I remember the whole show was like waiting for a limo to arrive.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 4, 2013 12:39:47 GMT -5
I was excited when he debuted and I remember the whole show was like waiting for a limo to arrive. no, that was just like the first hour... Which was then screwed up within like 3 seconds of Hogan opening his mouth saying he was in the back all day! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 15:41:57 GMT -5
The first episode was good...then it was all down hill.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 4, 2013 21:56:35 GMT -5
The attention they got up front meant that the down payment was well spent. But, the follow up was botched like an indie huracunrana. I'm not saying it would have worked but if they'd have had any clue how to market passed the attention step, they'd be in a better position now. Th money the spent on bill boards in Stamford, the money on Hogan, the nasty's, hall, Waltman, etc, the lack of actual t shirts for sale, booking arenas in areas they were not established, all of that did nothing to capitalize on the bump he might have given them. I'm not an elitist TNA mark who thinks everything before 2010 was gold, but dudes in 08&09 they grew their audience thru good matches and angles with the talent they had on hand. Had they continued using that talent the way they had but used Hogan's name and "Titan training brother" TNA could have bolstered their crowd IMO. Instead little by little they drove some fans away(from 2005 to about mid 2011 I never missed a single episode of impact). I know I am not alone in having abandoned ship
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 4, 2013 23:13:14 GMT -5
The attention they got up front meant that the down payment was well spent. But, the follow up was botched like an indie huracunrana. I'm not saying it would have worked but if they'd have had any clue how to market passed the attention step, they'd be in a better position now. Th money the spent on bill boards in Stamford, the money on Hogan, the nasty's, hall, Waltman, etc, the lack of actual t shirts for sale, booking arenas in areas they were not established, all of that did nothing to capitalize on the bump he might have given them. I'm not an elitist TNA mark who thinks everything before 2010 was gold, but dudes in 08&09 they grew their audience thru good matches and angles with the talent they had on hand. Had they continued using that talent the way they had but used Hogan's name and "Titan training brother" TNA could have bolstered their crowd IMO. Instead little by little they drove some fans away(from 2005 to about mid 2011 I never missed a single episode of impact). I know I am not alone in having abandoned ship basically how I feel about it as well. Hogan was never going to bring them to the promised land or anything, but I do think that a large part of why it flopped was terrible marketing. they should've used Hogan as a short term way to draw in new viewers and then keep the long term by putting on good shows. instead they booked the whole show around Hogan the Great and Powerful and never did anything in terms of basic marketing to make anyone care. |
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Post by RareTradU on Dec 4, 2013 23:17:05 GMT -5
Hogan's first appearance on Impact is still the highest rated show in TNA history. The way TNA booked Hogan was just pathetic imo. He was on the show way too much. He should have never been a main character or GM. I didn't mind the two times he wrestled because I'm a Hogan mark and I love the reaction he still got from the fans. He should have been someone to appear once every other month or so to promote a PPV, appear a live event ticket on-sale dates, autograph signing, maybe even commentated or done some backstage interviews. Just like all the legends who have appeared in TNA, they over expose them to the point where they could be doing something very cool (i.e. Foley/Flair match on Impact) and no one will remember it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 23:42:27 GMT -5
The Nasty Boys nullified the Hogan ratings bump as soon as they showed up.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Dec 5, 2013 0:33:54 GMT -5
At best it was an unsustainable, short-term thing.
Completely agree that the poor booking pretty much flushed any kind of impact Hogan made have had rather quickly. Which is a shame (and stop me if you've heard this before when it comes to TNA) because they could've done so much more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 7:21:32 GMT -5
Hogan's debut segment drew 3 million viewers, and the show itself drew 2.2 million. Prior to the Monday move, Impact was drawing around 1.8M viewers. Hogan did make a difference initially, at least the buzz of his arrival did. Once they moved to Monday, it went to hell.
Considering they were still doing good ratings in 2011 (when the show was Russo's imagination running wild), I wonder how the ratings would have faired if they never did the Monday experiment.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 5, 2013 8:45:35 GMT -5
Hogan's first appearance on Impact is still the highest rated show in TNA history. The way TNA booked Hogan was just pathetic imo. He was on the show way too much. He should have never been a main character or GM. I didn't mind the two times he wrestled because I'm a Hogan mark and I love the reaction he still got from the fans. He should have been someone to appear once every other month or so to promote a PPV, appear a live event ticket on-sale dates, autograph signing, maybe even commentated or done some backstage interviews. Just like all the legends who have appeared in TNA, they over expose them to the point where they could be doing something very cool (i.e. Foley/Flair match on Impact) and no one will remember it. At the end of the day, Hulk Hogan had a lot of say in his own booking, just look at his exit so deserves a lot of the blame for how overexposed and poorly booked he was. I doubt anyone else backstage was pushing for him to be booked as the lead face of the company when he was barely ble to climb into the ring, let alone work a match, but creative control is a hell of a thing. |
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Post by ICBM on Dec 5, 2013 9:24:09 GMT -5
I wish it would have turned out better for them and I thought it would. Again I blame the follow up. You guys are right about him being the focal point. He elevated guys by working with them but if you don't turn them loose to use what you gave them than their star is due and dependant on you(Hogan). So you really did not completely elevate someone. Bully stands apart from this but that is mainly to dowith his on screen power/presence. Bubba knows how to get, hold and build heat. He stood out without Hogan. But Hogan latched onto that angle bc it was hot and he could point to the success of it and say it was his.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 9:41:10 GMT -5
It was destined to fail for two reasons, other than the terrible writing that followed his debut.
1) Hogan has an audience that doesn't necessarily want to see new wrestling stars and a new wrestling show. The Hogan WOrld tour was basically a traveling nostalgia act. When he came to TNA he brought an audience that didn't want to see TNA, they wanted to see ex-WWE guys and Attitude Era stars which led to...
2) TNA drastically changing its entire style and set up. They did a 180 on everything they'd built up to prior to Hogan's arrival. They tried to be something they weren't. So whatever audience Hogan did bring in was offset by some of the current audience who grew to love the product from 07-09 leaving the show altogether because it became something completely different than what they wanted.
TNA got Hogan and then changed the entire show around him which basically won some fans, but lost more overall as time went on due to Hogan's appeal being shortlived by its very nature (I mean, he's a non-wrestling TV personality who has a nostalgia schtick and isn't exactly "attractive for TV"). He was good for a short term boost, at best, but for some other company who already had a fan base built up that would appreciate him being there.
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