Essential1
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Post by Essential1 on Dec 4, 2013 5:31:00 GMT -5
Having Cena mouth off to Orton that he was the "chosen one" and that Orton "never lived up to his potential" was ludicrous.
As if Orton would pay any attention to those remarks, when we all know he had very good matches in his first two years. He also added "You are most gifted WWE superstar ever, but then you got cocky...got lazy"
They want us to buy that Orton is this talented superstar who is such a coward and needs the Authority but it makes no sense. Cena has been the poster boy/face of the WWE since 2005 and they try to weaken Orton and make him look like a coward to keep the Cenation happy?
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Post by Boo! on Dec 4, 2013 5:43:32 GMT -5
I'd have done it on the basis of Orton saying something along the lines of
"We used to be buddies. We used to travel up and down the road together. But then something happened. You started to become the golden boy. You started to become the modern day Hulk Hogan. Then, suddenly, I stopped being good enough for you. Suddenly the travelling with the boys in the back stopped being good enough for you. Mr Big Shot, Mr Chosen one. Mr Icon. That could have been me. That should have been me and after TLC when I show everyone around the world what a phony you are Cena, it WILL be me"
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 4, 2013 6:04:08 GMT -5
'Yeah, you multi-time former world and WWE champion, youngest world champion ever, member of one of the greatest stables of all time, victor over legends including the likes of Mick Foley, you never lived up to your potential!'
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 4, 2013 6:09:39 GMT -5
'Yeah, you multi-time former world and WWE champion, youngest world champion ever, member of one of the greatest stables of all time, victor over legends including the likes of Mick Foley, you never lived up to your potential!' That's what bugged me about this promo. I get they are trying to invoke some real life perceptions of Orton here, but how on earth can you promote a guy as not having lived up to potential when he has over 10 world titles to his resume?
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Dec 4, 2013 6:22:44 GMT -5
'Yeah, you multi-time former world and WWE champion, youngest world champion ever, member of one of the greatest stables of all time, victor over legends including the likes of Mick Foley, you never lived up to your potential!' Just like when he called Punk a phony last year. You know, the guy who talks about being straight edge for ... pretty much his whole career by a guy who was a Vanilla Ice wannabe turned marine
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Post by saintpat on Dec 4, 2013 7:14:09 GMT -5
I thought it was much better conceived and executed than Punk's confrontation with Stephanie. Punk looked like junior high-Jericho.
And that was before he started singing show tunes.
That being said, the Orton-Cena showdown/throwdown was pretty meh.
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Post by The Man That Sanity Forgot on Dec 4, 2013 7:24:58 GMT -5
I'd have done it on the basis of Orton saying something along the lines of "We used to be buddies. We used to travel up and down the road together. But then something happened. You started to become the golden boy. You started to become the modern day Hulk Hogan. Then, suddenly, I stopped being good enough for you. Suddenly the travelling with the boys in the back stopped being good enough for you. Mr Big Shot, Mr Chosen one. Mr Icon. That could have been me. That should have been me and after TLC when I show everyone around the world what a phony you are Cena, it WILL be me" I would say this would be perfect and you should have a place on the creative team, but this is the kind of script that would get thrown out of creative in favour of LOLFARTJOKE. For some reason I picture creative being exactly like that board room meme.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 4, 2013 7:33:59 GMT -5
I just took it to mean that Cena thought Orton could have been the actual face of the company if he had put more effort into it.
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Post by CM Parish on Dec 4, 2013 8:04:46 GMT -5
I just took it to mean that Cena thought Orton could have been the actual face of the company if he had put more effort into it. Because that's exactly what he meant, he even said as much I think (saying that could have been you but i'm the first to arrive and last to leave). He's probably right, too. Everyone knows about Orton's attitude, imagine if he'd kept his nose clean like Cena - he'd probably have passed Flair's record by now if they hadn't decided it was too risky to have him in the main event scene a couple of times.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 4, 2013 10:12:25 GMT -5
It was stupid because STUPID WORKED SHOOT ANGLES are ALWAYS stupid.
It might be better to, you know, come up with an interesting, fictional reason why these two characters would be in conflict, but no hey stuff that doesn't really make sense unless you read it on the internet that's fine.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 4, 2013 10:20:14 GMT -5
I just took it to mean that Cena thought Orton could have been the actual face of the company if he had put more effort into it. Yeah I had the same thought. I think that's pretty much what happened too. I'm pretty sure Orton was supposed to be in Cena's spot as the cash cow actual face of the WWE and Cena in Orton's spot some sort of Jericho role of upper midcarder/semi main eventer when needed when they both started out. Dude just had attitude problems/suspensions and Cena just put in more effort and passed him buy.
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Dec 4, 2013 10:32:59 GMT -5
Cena should've just came out with it instead of beating around the bush "dude, you're a pothead"
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Post by angryfan on Dec 4, 2013 10:40:57 GMT -5
I guess it has to be some veiled wellness violation and attitude reference since, if we stick with kayfabe even a little, Orton and Triple H are essentially the same guy.
When they starte4d they were placed with the top veterans (The Kliq, early DX then Evolution for Orton), they have the same number of top titles (10 for Orton, 11 for Trips) and both have beaten everyone in the company.
Yet when Cena talks Triple H, he's spoken of in reverent tones and this mystique. Orton, meanwhile, is lazy and hasn't achieved his potential.
If we use even the slightest bit of kayfabe logic and don't "talk over the heads of the causals fans" then Cena's promo was basically, "you're a bitch because Hunter has more titles than you and he's the greatest thing ever, you suck Randy". As a heel the promo is fine, as a babyface, let alone THE babyface...no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 10:50:58 GMT -5
Cena should've just came out with it instead of beating around the bush "dude, you're a pothead" This. Although ^this would go over the heads of Cenation, so Cena had to use his classic dumbed down promo template that sounds ridiculous for anyone older than 12.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 4, 2013 11:22:36 GMT -5
I just don't like when Cena takes the piss out of stuff. When he was mocking Orton's scary lines.
HE'S PLAYING A CHARACTER JOHN! DON'T KILL IT TO DO ANOTHER WORKED SHOOT ON A GUY! It helped so much against Ziggler and Punk.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 4, 2013 12:31:42 GMT -5
I just don't like when Cena takes the piss out of stuff. When he was mocking Orton's scary lines. HE'S PLAYING A CHARACTER JOHN! DON'T KILL IT TO DO ANOTHER WORKED SHOOT ON A GUY! It helped so much against Ziggler and Punk. Yeah, Cena may sell your moves, but he'll never sell your gimmick. I remember him making fun of Del Rio's "rented cars". Way to squash another dude's persona.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 4, 2013 12:37:06 GMT -5
'Yeah, you multi-time former world and WWE champion, youngest world champion ever, member of one of the greatest stables of all time, victor over legends including the likes of Mick Foley, you never lived up to your potential!' That's what bugged me about this promo. I get they are trying to invoke some real life perceptions of Orton here, but how on earth can you promote a guy as not having lived up to potential when he has over 10 world titles to his resume? hell, Orton's entire involvement in the Authority angle is perplexing. until the Cena feud he was basically a prop and the message about him was "only a total delusional idiot would put stock in this guy as the face of the company". and say what you will about Triple H, he DID come off as the total delusional idiot pretty well.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 4, 2013 12:37:55 GMT -5
It was standard Cena fare. It's the same crap he pulled with Edge, Batista, and Punk. He just stands there and accuses them of crap that applies far more to himself.
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Post by onetruemisfit on Dec 4, 2013 12:40:28 GMT -5
"Say hi to Eddie when I send you to hell Cena!"
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 4, 2013 13:10:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I would have ended it with the staredown into the two just hardcore making out with one another. Not because I'm into that kind of thing, but because I want to see utter look of shock on Triple and Nipple H faces.
Also it would be the only thing interesting to come out of this stale feud.
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