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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 5, 2013 10:59:48 GMT -5
We have a giant, that in the beginning of his career was a physical marvel as far as what he could do. He still is despite being older and heavier, but outside of burts he never really seems to have the company behind him.
Hell in WCW he was in the Dungeon of Doom, then not. Then in the NWO, out of it, in it again, he smoked for no reason, then was out again. I know he was world champion in his first match but the wheels kind of fell off.
Then in WWE we know how much he flip flops back on forth between heel and face. He done impressions, he's been a happy person making jokes, he's had his iron clad contract. The worst period is honestly when he first showed up. I think he was heel to face to heel to face in his first year.
Why can't anyone figure out how to book the poor Big Show?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 5, 2013 11:05:51 GMT -5
For early in his career it was his attitude.
Once he got that under control, somewhere around 2001 (and Show even admits it) he still wasn't on the level of Austin, Rock, Foley, Taker, or even Trips. And then he got passed by guys like Cena, Brock, Batista, Orton, Edge, and Angle to name some. Show is in the Hell of a Hand category, they know no matter where they put him he can do it. They need him to be a monster heel, he can do it. They need him to be a fun loving face, he can do it. They need him to be an intimidating face that scares the heels, he can do it.
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Post by blackmegaman on Dec 5, 2013 11:09:10 GMT -5
I think it's also partly because in the era of live TV every week it's just harder to book a "giant" than it used to.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 5, 2013 11:24:40 GMT -5
Because Giants are attraction wrestlers. They shouldn't be over exposed.
-Wrestling 101.
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Post by Juice on Dec 5, 2013 11:34:27 GMT -5
Big show is the y2j of Giants. A great worker and talker, can move and sway a crowd either direction, but isn't THE guy and never will be. Unlike Jericho Big Show is in a category even lower.
I see his appeal and have been entertained by him. Though the last time I was remotely entertained by him was his ECW run, which I admit was spectacular. Everything the guy has done since then has been quite boring to me. Big Show in 2014 should be used a place holder in the mid card. Give guys like Roman reigns, Ambrose,Rollins, Wyatts, etc something to do. I thought his feud with Cody over the IC belt was exactly where show should be.
Cause, it's not about booking, and it's not about the it factor. There's just something about Big Show, that doesn't quite work to continuously push him as one thing.
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Post by audiencewatching on Dec 5, 2013 11:39:45 GMT -5
His matches being horribly boring is a massive point no-ones mentioned.
Flip flopping his character at least keeps people interested outside of the ring.
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Post by JCBaggee on Dec 5, 2013 11:44:37 GMT -5
Because Giants are attraction wrestlers. They shouldn't be over exposed. -Wrestling 101. I'd have to agree. Seeing Big Show every week kills it, but if he showed up as a shock run-in every couple months to work a program, and then mostly disappeared, I'd probably be a lot more interested in his work.
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Post by Juice on Dec 5, 2013 11:47:03 GMT -5
His matches being horribly boring is a massive point no-ones mentioned. Flip flopping his character at least keeps people interested outside of the ring. I covered that he has been boring since ECW.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Dec 5, 2013 12:04:33 GMT -5
What's really funny is that one of the things Vince used to personally woo Big Show away from WCW is that only HE knew how to successfully book a Giant.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 5, 2013 12:07:49 GMT -5
His arms are too big to put handcuffs around them
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 5, 2013 12:15:45 GMT -5
What's really funny is that one of the things Vince used to personally woo Big Show away from WCW is that only HE knew how to successfully book a Giant. To be fair, Vince has done a far better job with Big Show than most other promoters probably would've. Hate it or love it, I don't think having him do impressions or bawl like a baby is something many others would consider with a guy that big.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Dec 5, 2013 12:30:27 GMT -5
There's only one properly booked giant in the history of wrestling and that's André. There will be no other because it belongs to another era of wrestling and it's impossible to do the same with tv over exposure of wrestlers
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 5, 2013 12:47:11 GMT -5
There's only one properly booked giant in the history of wrestling and that's André. There will be no other because it belongs to another era of wrestling and it's impossible to do the same with tv over exposure of wrestlers I always thought, and this might be a controversial statement given how generally beloved Andre The Giant is, but if Big Show was around in the 1970s-1980s, basically doing the same stuff Andre did but with the better wrestling ability and promo skills... Big Show could have been bigger than Andre. Conversely, you book Andre The Giant in this time, and he'd basically get treated the same as The Great Khali.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Dec 5, 2013 13:04:25 GMT -5
There's only one properly booked giant in the history of wrestling and that's André. There will be no other because it belongs to another era of wrestling and it's impossible to do the same with tv over exposure of wrestlers I always thought, and this might be a controversial statement given how generally beloved Andre The Giant is, but if Big Show was around in the 1970s-1980s, basically doing the same stuff Andre did but with the better wrestling ability and promo skills... Big Show could have been bigger than Andre. Conversely, you book Andre The Giant in this time, and he'd basically get treated the same as The Great Khali. Basically André in his younger years was like Show in his younger years and old André is like current Khali. But I agree perfectly that André would never have gotten that over in today's wrestling where you have to talk to get over and wrestle every week (and so basically lose a lot). But in oldschool wrestling he was perfect. Huge, menacing, man of few words, and kayfabe unbeatable.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Dec 5, 2013 13:11:17 GMT -5
The only thing left in Show's tank that would benefit anyone is for him to have a 10-12 month title reign as the monstrous, unbeatable champ. Say he pulled his punches in the past, now he knows his career is winding down, he's done playing nice. He's done worrying about breaking everyone else. Now he's going to be him and retire with the title.
He's a monster for most of the year, then finally, he gives the rub to someone who finally beats him. Doesn't have to be a fluke, doesn't have to be the smallest guy on the roster. Could be Roman Reigns who actually has a back and forth match, or gets squashed and then really comes back and vanquishes the giant. Then you have a face elevated as the new Giant Slayer, mega-face, and fresh. Then Show doesn't even need to retire at that point, but you've made a new STAR.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 5, 2013 13:21:37 GMT -5
What's really funny is that one of the things Vince used to personally woo Big Show away from WCW is that only HE knew how to successfully book a Giant. Yeah. Successful. Which is why he lost every single big match for the first few months of his run.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 5, 2013 13:32:49 GMT -5
His matches with Sheamus last year were the only time Sheamus' reign felt there were any stakes to it; it didn't hurt that with the exception of their meeting at Survivor Series, it was a run of very good matches.
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Post by hossfan on Dec 5, 2013 14:04:36 GMT -5
He's over like Rover, so maybe it wasn't really hard to book him at all.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 5, 2013 14:11:34 GMT -5
What's really funny is that one of the things Vince used to personally woo Big Show away from WCW is that only HE knew how to successfully book a Giant. Yeah. Successful. Which is why he lost every single big match for the first few months of his run. Oh god, please don't get me started on the flawed logic of him losing to Austin on Raw and then Foley (twice on PPV) within about 6-8 weeks of being in the company. Both of those matches should have been saved for a later time, and of course, should have involved Show NOT looking like a total ass.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 5, 2013 14:12:58 GMT -5
It's weird, while hasn't been booked as good as he should have been, he hasn't exactly been booked terribly in the WWE (aside from the first year or so in the company)
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