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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Dec 8, 2013 16:26:56 GMT -5
If it was anything like the 1998 version it will be won by a tag team jobber to the stars and in the final match he will have beaten the guy who thinks he's the biggest, baddest man on the planet so I'm thinking finals will be Primo or Epico versus Brock Lesnar. That analogy would make more sense if the guy who thinks he's "the biggest, baddest man on the planet" in this case wasn't a professionally trained fighter who was Champion of earth for two straight years. You know, as opposed to a lumbering, flabby ex-football player with zero pro fight experience sloppy toughman boxing a cowboy --a cowboy who got knocked out by a z-level novelty boxer in his first pro fight in seconds. Seriously, and I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I hate these kinds of threads because of the fight ignorance that usually is contained within them. And this thread is riddled with it. Almost comically. If you are going to honestly try and pontificate a guess as to who would win a structured fight, comprised with takedowns and striking, you'd have to go with the guy who A) was the National Champion of the United States college wrestling system, and not just a small time high school or college star who didn't even sniff an NCAA title, and B) a guy who, you know, actually had real national success at the highest professional level there is, and not carny liars, light-heavyweight judoka's who have never beat anything other than tomato cans, a guy whose MMA highlight reel is getting kicked in the face by Cro-Cop in 15 seconds and nearly killed, or a guy who does Gymnasium Sambo. But the rules set up in the OP say "Lesnar will not be taking part". And Cro-Cop was taking out everyone at that point, Del Rio was just another victim. He was an Olympic-level wrestler in his prime, in the same weightclass Swagger and Lesnar were. He also knows striking, from his (limited) MMA experience. I'd doubt he'd take part in this hypothetical situation, but it would be interesting to see him versus Swagger in a structured fight.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 8, 2013 16:33:45 GMT -5
That analogy would make more sense if the guy who thinks he's "the biggest, baddest man on the planet" in this case wasn't a professionally trained fighter who was Champion of earth for two straight years. You know, as opposed to a lumbering, flabby ex-football player with zero pro fight experience sloppy toughman boxing a cowboy --a cowboy who got knocked out by a z-level novelty boxer in his first pro fight in seconds. Seriously, and I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I hate these kinds of threads because of the fight ignorance that usually is contained within them. And this thread is riddled with it. Almost comically. If you are going to honestly try and pontificate a guess as to who would win a structured fight, comprised with takedowns and striking, you'd have to go with the guy who A) was the National Champion of the United States college wrestling system, and not just a small time high school or college star who didn't even sniff an NCAA title, and B) a guy who, you know, actually had real national success at the highest professional level there is, and not carny liars, light-heavyweight judoka's who have never beat anything other than tomato cans, a guy whose MMA highlight reel is getting kicked in the face by Cro-Cop in 15 seconds and nearly killed, or a guy who does Gymnasium Sambo. But the rules set up in the OP say "Lesnar will not be taking part". And Cro-Cop was taking out everyone at that point, Del Rio was just another victim. He was an Olympic-level wrestler in his prime, in the same weightclass Swagger and Lesnar were. He also knows striking, from his (limited) MMA experience. I'd doubt he'd take part in this hypothetical situation, but it would be interesting to see him versus Swagger in a structured fight. Del Rio never beat anyone of any noteriety, and there's no discernible record of him being the Olympic-level wrestler he's claimed he was. I'm not saying he's definitely not, but there's no footage of him anywhere doing it. As for the Lesnar thing, I assumed he was included, based on a lot of the comments here.
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Dec 8, 2013 16:59:41 GMT -5
this turned from the OP saying exclude del rio or brock to OMG DEL RIO/BROCK ALL THE WAY. talk about turn up.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 8, 2013 17:07:02 GMT -5
Yeah, if we read the OP this thread would be a lot less annoying and know it all filled.
BUt I'll ignore him too because f*** it. Forget this and bring back the Hardcore title. Midcarders can do that and still accidently get really hurt.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Dec 8, 2013 17:13:13 GMT -5
Yeah, if we read the OP this thread would be a lot less annoying and know it all filled. BUt I'll ignore him too because f*** it. Forget this and bring back the Hardcore title. Midcarders can do that and still accidently get really hurt. Aren't WWE hardcore matches safer than regular matches these days? I mean, besides the batshit spots, it isn't like anyone is taking a chair to the dome unprotected these days.
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Post by emperorthorn on Dec 8, 2013 17:24:25 GMT -5
I see Lesnar was mentioned several time in this thread as the clear cut winner. But... has his diverticulitis fully healed, though? If not, doesn't that mean he will have a glaring weakness that some wrestler, like Swagger, could take advantage of?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 8, 2013 17:24:54 GMT -5
I was guilty of only scanning the original post and missing the Lesnar/Del Rio part.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 8, 2013 17:35:47 GMT -5
Yeah, if we read the OP this thread would be a lot less annoying and know it all filled. BUt I'll ignore him too because f*** it. Forget this and bring back the Hardcore title. Midcarders can do that and still accidently get really hurt. Aren't WWE hardcore matches safer than regular matches these days? I mean, besides the batshit spots, it isn't like anyone is taking a chair to the dome unprotected these days. True but I can see Fandango accidently slicing his arm open on a prop garbage can when swung El Torrito....or something just as crazy
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 8, 2013 17:38:02 GMT -5
Brock lost three fighs. That's two more than he acted like he would lose. So I definitely keep him in the original category of a guy who thinks he would take the whole thing easily. I'm sure he thought he'd be Chuck Bednarik/Dick Butkus/Lawrence Taylor/Ray Lewis of the NFL. I bet he went to bed at night thinking a tough guy and legend like Ray Lewis would be afraid of himself. Guy just seems to have such a crappy attitude. Yeah, he's a tough guy and I'm sure he'd tear me limb from limb but what he fails to realize is there will always be one guy, even if just by a bit, tougher than himself. All the four linebackers I mentioned are remembered in the NFL, even Bednarik who retired over 50 years ago. When Brock has been retired for even just as long as Lawrence Taylor, he probably won't be remembered as the best in WWE (maybe one of the most disrespectful), he won't be remembered as the best in MMA, and he sure won't be remembered as anything but a foot note in the NFL. I feel for his illness but he always came off as the type who thinks he's so big and bad he could beat something as bad as a gun shot wound to the heart. I have no doubt Bart Gunn would've beaten him simply because Brock would be so overconfident.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 8, 2013 17:45:20 GMT -5
Um... the Brawl For All wasn't a straight-up fight. There were rules and points. If you took your opponent down, then it stopped and you both got up.
Some of you guys are weirdly desperate to think of these TV actors as real bad-asses, but if it matters, the person who does the best would be the person who best adapts to the rules. The winner would be the person who they decided to book as the winner, just like they ended up doing with the original Brawl For All.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Dec 8, 2013 17:50:51 GMT -5
Um... the Brawl For All wasn't a straight-up fight. There were rules and points. If you took your opponent down, then it stopped and you both got up. Some of you guys are weirdly desperate to think of these TV actors as real bad-asses, but if it matters, the person who does the best would be the person who best adapts to the rules. The winner would be the person who they decided to book as the winner, just like they ended up doing with the original Brawl For All. Dude, Brawl for All was legit, at least at first. Which was stupid, because the person the entire tournament was made for lost in the second round. It might have been fixed after Williams lost, but originally it was based around him beating everyone and then getting a title shot against Austin.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 8, 2013 17:53:25 GMT -5
Um... the Brawl For All wasn't a straight-up fight. There were rules and points. If you took your opponent down, then it stopped and you both got up. Some of you guys are weirdly desperate to think of these TV actors as real bad-asses, but if it matters, the person who does the best would be the person who best adapts to the rules. The winner would be the person who they decided to book as the winner, just like they ended up doing with the original Brawl For All. Dude, Brawl for All was legit, at least at first. Which was stupid, because the person the entire tournament was made for lost in the second round. It might have been fixed after Williams lost, but originally it was based around him beating everyone and then getting a title shot against Austin. Um, yeah, and thus they ended up having the winner be the guy they booked to be the winner.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Dec 8, 2013 17:57:58 GMT -5
Dude, Brawl for All was legit, at least at first. Which was stupid, because the person the entire tournament was made for lost in the second round. It might have been fixed after Williams lost, but originally it was based around him beating everyone and then getting a title shot against Austin. Um, yeah, and thus they ended up having the winner be the guy they booked to be the winner. Yeah, I reread your post and it makes more sense now.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 8, 2013 18:18:54 GMT -5
They'd never put top guys in the thing, so Lesnar, Big Show, and Punk are off the table. My money for the top 3 would be Swagger, Ziggler, and Cesaro.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Dec 9, 2013 4:45:29 GMT -5
CM Punk you know, cause of his jiu jitsu background
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 9, 2013 4:52:29 GMT -5
It'd be cool if JTG appeared and won the whole damn thing.
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Post by Idiot on Dec 9, 2013 11:51:05 GMT -5
Wade Barrett has actually won a shootfighting tournament supposedly dominating it, he has a size advantage on most of the people who'd enter and there's his (alleged) bare knuckle boxing experience. I have no clue if the BK stuff is legit or a work, but the shoot stuff isn't.
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Post by KobashiChop on Dec 9, 2013 12:05:55 GMT -5
Lesnar would outright obliterate everyone on the roster under the Brawl for All rules. He's the only one with high level fight experience, who beat top 5 contenders and not tomato cans, and could and would take down anyone at will. He even took down Cain Velasquez in their fight, and no one's done that since --and Cain is such a level above every other MMA heavyweight on earth right now it's not even close. I know people want to trump up their favorites, (often to an absurd, almost laughable degree) or believe the fake hype carny story's certain urban legends have perpetuated, but safe money would be on the 280 pound guy with the highest wrestling credentials in the company, who fought professionally the most recently, against the best competition. His collective skill-set is just so much higher than anyone there that its not even close. That's really all there is to it. If anything, this is why i have to see this happen. The image of Brock Lesnar decimating everyone in legit fights just sounds like epic TV. Brock actually ripping the Miz's head off = New Boom Period.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 9, 2013 12:40:08 GMT -5
I appreciate everybody reading my original post and keeping Brock Lesnar out of the discussion. That being said, if they ever wanted to build up a Brock Lesnar title match or a Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker match, I suppose they could use a Brawl For All type scenario to build him further as a badass. Just have it be a big shoot and have him do something he's really, really good at. I don't think anybody would truthfully bet against the guy. It's possible he could lose, but highly highly unlikely. It's an interesting idea. Not that that's needed. At all. He's already proven himself against legitimate, world-caliber competition. There's no reason to rehash it. If they were going to do it, I truly think it would be another mid-card endeavor only this time it would have the goal of making a new star at random. They would probably screw it up, like they unfortunately do a lot of interesting concepts. The live crowd would probably hate it, like they did the last ones. Still, I think it's an interesting idea that could work if they promoted it and built it up properly for several weeks. It'd also give mid-card guys something different and interesting to do.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Dec 9, 2013 13:02:56 GMT -5
I hate real fighting.
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