Johnny D
Don Corleone
Creature of the Night Forever
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Post by Johnny D on Jan 7, 2014 14:06:53 GMT -5
f*** you Hogan. That is all. Probably better to blame the people who actually run the company instead of Hogan. That is all. Them too but Hulk was the one who kept making promises about putting TNA on the map (BROTHER!!), etc, etc, while they churned out mediocrity week after week. If your only purpose for going into a company is to make loads of money for doing nothing and to look after yourself and your friends, at least be honest about it eh?
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 7, 2014 14:17:22 GMT -5
Probably better to blame the people who actually run the company instead of Hogan. That is all. Them too but Hulk was the one who kept making promises about putting TNA on the map (BROTHER!!), etc, etc, while they churned out mediocrity week after week. If your only purpose for going into a company is to make loads of money for doing nothing and to look after yourself and your friends, at least be honest about it eh? I see. So if I run a business and I hire somebody who isn't a return on my investment, I fire them. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the person who does the hiring & firing. And they hired Hogan, Bischoff and Russo and they watered down the product for years. If Dixie couldn't see what was going wrong, she's not fit to run the company and it's her fault. Fire her instead.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 7, 2014 15:50:05 GMT -5
For what it's worth, AJ signed on to do a show for ROH in March. So, for the moment, it looks like he's in it for the long haul.
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Banecat
Don Corleone
Speak of the devil and he shall appear
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Post by Banecat on Jan 7, 2014 16:51:56 GMT -5
Go away AJ Styles, you've been stale for years.
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Glitch
King Koopa
Not Going To Die; Childs, we're goin' out to give Blair the test. If he tries to make it back here and we're not with him... burn him.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 7, 2014 20:56:56 GMT -5
Them too but Hulk was the one who kept making promises about putting TNA on the map (BROTHER!!), etc, etc, while they churned out mediocrity week after week. If your only purpose for going into a company is to make loads of money for doing nothing and to look after yourself and your friends, at least be honest about it eh? I see. So if I run a business and I hire somebody who isn't a return on my investment, I fire them. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the person who does the hiring & firing. And they hired Hogan, Bischoff and Russo and they watered down the product for years. If Dixie couldn't see what was going wrong, she's not fit to run the company and it's her fault. Fire her instead. Both the hogan/bischoff regime and dixie are to blame. This idea that hogan and bischoff are somehow innocent is asinine. If a person were to release a killer from his cell and that killer goes on a murder spree, would you only arrest the first person and completely ignore the killer?
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 7, 2014 21:26:46 GMT -5
I see. So if I run a business and I hire somebody who isn't a return on my investment, I fire them. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the person who does the hiring & firing. And they hired Hogan, Bischoff and Russo and they watered down the product for years. If Dixie couldn't see what was going wrong, she's not fit to run the company and it's her fault. Fire her instead. Both the hogan/bischoff regime and dixie are to blame. This idea that hogan and bischoff are somehow innocent is asinine. If a person were to release a killer from his cell and that killer goes on a murder spree, would you only arrest the first person and completely ignore the killer? I understand that Hogan/Bischoff did a shitty job too but I think the general consensus was that they shouldn't have been hired to begin with. So the primary blame goes to Dixie for making a stupid hiring decision. And yeah, same would apply to the prison so thanks for the analogy. If somebody is a murderer and they are released from prison and they murder again, why blame the murderer? It's in his nature to be a murderer. It's the authority's job to lock that down. Dixie is therefore no different.
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Glitch
King Koopa
Not Going To Die; Childs, we're goin' out to give Blair the test. If he tries to make it back here and we're not with him... burn him.
Watching you.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 8, 2014 0:15:05 GMT -5
Both the hogan/bischoff regime and dixie are to blame. This idea that hogan and bischoff are somehow innocent is asinine. If a person were to release a killer from his cell and that killer goes on a murder spree, would you only arrest the first person and completely ignore the killer? I understand that Hogan/Bischoff did a shitty job too but I think the general consensus was that they shouldn't have been hired to begin with. So the primary blame goes to Dixie for making a stupid hiring decision. And yeah, same would apply to the prison so thanks for the analogy. If somebody is a murderer and they are released from prison and they murder again, why blame the murderer? It's in his nature to be a murderer. It's the authority's job to lock that down. Dixie is therefore no different. And it was in Dixie's nature to be a dimwit who didn't know what the hell she was doing. bisch/hogan took advantage of this. Dixie was pretty much the naive/gullible person passing by a blood covered killer tied to a pole. She heard him say "let me go, I'm a good guy!" and untied him. And now that maniac has stabbed and maimed tna. Bottom line is that both parties are equal to blame. People should damn well mad at dixie, but you can't act like they have absolutely no reason to get mad at hogan/bischoff. They still played their parts like the snake oil salesmen that they are. It takes two to tango(or three, or something).
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 8, 2014 0:43:10 GMT -5
I understand that Hogan/Bischoff did a shitty job too but I think the general consensus was that they shouldn't have been hired to begin with. So the primary blame goes to Dixie for making a stupid hiring decision. And yeah, same would apply to the prison so thanks for the analogy. If somebody is a murderer and they are released from prison and they murder again, why blame the murderer? It's in his nature to be a murderer. It's the authority's job to lock that down. Dixie is therefore no different. And it was in Dixie's nature to be a dimwit who didn't know what the hell she was doing. bisch/hogan took advantage of this.Dixie was pretty much the naive/gullible person passing by a blood covered killer tied to a pole. She heard him say "let me go, I'm a good guy!" and untied him. And now that maniac has stabbed and maimed tna. Bottom line is that both parties are equal to blame. People should damn well mad at dixie, but you can't act like they have absolutely no reason to get mad at hogan/bischoff. They still played their parts like the snake oil salesmen that they are. It takes two to tango(or three, or something). You lost me when you implied Dixie Carter was somehow the victim of all this. She's the daughter of a billionaire and the president of the company. I have zero sympathy for her whatsoever.
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SOR
Unicron
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Post by SOR on Jan 8, 2014 10:43:30 GMT -5
Probably better to blame the people who actually run the company instead of Hogan. That is all. Them too but Hulk was the one who kept making promises about putting TNA on the map (BROTHER!!), etc, etc, while they churned out mediocrity week after week. If your only purpose for going into a company is to make loads of money for doing nothing and to look after yourself and your friends, at least be honest about it eh? If it makes you feel better, I'm about 90% sure that someone probably told Hulk to say that type of thing to hype up his appearance etc. That's called marketing and hype. Not as many people would have cared about Hulk Hogan in TNA without the "We're coming for the WWE" thing. Regardless though, If a sports team signs a new Quarterback and the Quarterback gets on TV and says "We're going to the Super Bowl this year!" and the team falls short who's fault is it? The individual players or the teams fault? This happens in sports all the times. Early on in the season a Coach or star player will be interviewed and it's usually something along the lines of "I think we have a good shot at making the Play Offs this year" Hulk did nothing different. You can't blame him for that. I understand that Hogan/Bischoff did a shitty job too but I think the general consensus was that they shouldn't have been hired to begin with. So the primary blame goes to Dixie for making a stupid hiring decision. And yeah, same would apply to the prison so thanks for the analogy. If somebody is a murderer and they are released from prison and they murder again, why blame the murderer? It's in his nature to be a murderer. It's the authority's job to lock that down. Dixie is therefore no different. And it was in Dixie's nature to be a dimwit who didn't know what the hell she was doing. bisch/hogan took advantage of this. Dixie was pretty much the naive/gullible person passing by a blood covered killer tied to a pole. She heard him say "let me go, I'm a good guy!" and untied him. And now that maniac has stabbed and maimed tna. Bottom line is that both parties are equal to blame. People should damn well mad at dixie, but you can't act like they have absolutely no reason to get mad at hogan/bischoff. They still played their parts like the snake oil salesmen that they are. It takes two to tango(or three, or something). How did they ruin TNA? To our knowledge they were simply ideas men. One sat in on the writing meetings (Which a lot of people do) and the other one ran production. They are hardly running the company and hardly in a position to ruin it. It's not like Hulk was lazy either. He turned up when required, was professional and did his best to promote TNA when he could. Was he a bad investment? To an extent, I suppose. Is that his fault? Definitely not. The issue is people don't want to watch TNA week to week. That's because most casual wrestling fans are WWE fans and if WWE sucks they aren't going to go and seek out an alternative unless they're hardcore wrestling fans. Hulk can't be blamed for that.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jan 8, 2014 11:01:53 GMT -5
Them too but Hulk was the one who kept making promises about putting TNA on the map (BROTHER!!), etc, etc, while they churned out mediocrity week after week. If your only purpose for going into a company is to make loads of money for doing nothing and to look after yourself and your friends, at least be honest about it eh? If it makes you feel better, I'm about 90% sure that someone probably told Hulk to say that type of thing to hype up his appearance etc. That's called marketing and hype. Not as many people would have cared about Hulk Hogan in TNA without the "We're coming for the WWE" thing. Regardless though, If a sports team signs a new Quarterback and the Quarterback gets on TV and says "We're going to the Super Bowl this year!" and the team falls short who's fault is it? The individual players or the teams fault? This happens in sports all the times. Early on in the season a Coach or star player will be interviewed and it's usually something along the lines of "I think we have a good shot at making the Play Offs this year" Hulk did nothing different. You can't blame him for that. And it was in Dixie's nature to be a dimwit who didn't know what the hell she was doing. bisch/hogan took advantage of this. Dixie was pretty much the naive/gullible person passing by a blood covered killer tied to a pole. She heard him say "let me go, I'm a good guy!" and untied him. And now that maniac has stabbed and maimed tna. Bottom line is that both parties are equal to blame. People should damn well mad at dixie, but you can't act like they have absolutely no reason to get mad at hogan/bischoff. They still played their parts like the snake oil salesmen that they are. It takes two to tango(or three, or something). How did they ruin TNA? To our knowledge they were simply ideas men. One sat in on the writing meetings (Which a lot of people do) and the other one ran production. They are hardly running the company and hardly in a position to ruin it. It's not like Hulk was lazy either. He turned up when required, was professional and did his best to promote TNA when he could. Was he a bad investment? To an extent, I suppose. Is that his fault? Definitely not. The issue is people don't want to watch TNA week to week. That's because most casual wrestling fans are WWE fans and if WWE sucks they aren't going to go and seek out an alternative unless they're hardcore wrestling fans. Hulk can't be blamed for that. Based on information from a lot of interviews Hulk sold himself to Dixie as the savior and she bought it, he should have lived up to his promises. That's his fault and he can be blamed for not delivering. Can he be blamed completely for TNA being in the shitter? No but he did add to it.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 8, 2014 13:51:43 GMT -5
Go away AJ Styles, you've been stale for years. He can wrestle a lifetime and still never be the most popular wrestler named "AJ"
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chazraps
Wade Wilson
Better have my money when I come-a collect!
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Post by chazraps on Jan 8, 2014 19:03:30 GMT -5
I love how he hesitates before deciding whether or not to say "balls." It's adorable. Will purchase.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 8, 2014 22:37:25 GMT -5
If it makes you feel better, I'm about 90% sure that someone probably told Hulk to say that type of thing to hype up his appearance etc. That's called marketing and hype. Not as many people would have cared about Hulk Hogan in TNA without the "We're coming for the WWE" thing. Regardless though, If a sports team signs a new Quarterback and the Quarterback gets on TV and says "We're going to the Super Bowl this year!" and the team falls short who's fault is it? The individual players or the teams fault? This happens in sports all the times. Early on in the season a Coach or star player will be interviewed and it's usually something along the lines of "I think we have a good shot at making the Play Offs this year" Hulk did nothing different. You can't blame him for that. How did they ruin TNA? To our knowledge they were simply ideas men. One sat in on the writing meetings (Which a lot of people do) and the other one ran production. They are hardly running the company and hardly in a position to ruin it. It's not like Hulk was lazy either. He turned up when required, was professional and did his best to promote TNA when he could. Was he a bad investment? To an extent, I suppose. Is that his fault? Definitely not. The issue is people don't want to watch TNA week to week. That's because most casual wrestling fans are WWE fans and if WWE sucks they aren't going to go and seek out an alternative unless they're hardcore wrestling fans. Hulk can't be blamed for that. Based on information from a lot of interviews Hulk sold himself to Dixie as the savior and she bought it, he should have lived up to his promises. That's his fault and he can be blamed for not delivering. Can he be blamed completely for TNA being in the shitter? No but he did add to it. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Hulk believed his own hype. Look what he did for WWF in the 80s and WCW in the 90s. But it's still a TEAM effort.
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Chainsaw
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It is what it is
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 10, 2014 13:46:10 GMT -5
"Everything that Hulk Hogan had touched had turned to gold."
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 10, 2014 14:29:05 GMT -5
"Everything that Hulk Hogan had touched had turned to gold."
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