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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 10, 2013 0:05:11 GMT -5
We know he's obviously not happy with Orton- hell, he admits he wasn't happy helping him become champion at Summerslam, he was just following dollar signs as he saw them- but Randy's Carelessness causing Steph to get knocked for a loop obviously didn't help.
But if the follow up to that is HHH effectively "crowning" Cena as his new golden child, does anyone else think it'd be more interesting if Cena was reluctant to accept his support, as opposed to him just going "Hey, you're right! *turns on EVIL switch* This town sucks!" Instead of a flat out generic Cena heel turn, I'd rather see him get annoyed by being forced to represent something he clearly hates.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 10, 2013 0:07:41 GMT -5
*ahem*
"HHH tries to screw Orton out of the belts."
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 10, 2013 0:12:59 GMT -5
They haven't really been bringing it up the last few weeks since Survivor Series, so I thought they'd dropped the idea until tonight, but I really like the subtext in this angle that Orton's on his own because the Authority actually doesn't have any problem with Cena being the face of the WWE. It's a nice inversion of the usual "all heels hate all faces and vice versa" formula.
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Post by The Tank on Dec 10, 2013 0:16:14 GMT -5
Well, considering HHH and Stephanie will continue their inexplicable attempts to be the top heels and top faces at the same time by burying all the faces everyone loves then punishing their heel subordinates for a cheap pop...sorry, what was the question? I got distracted by how stupid this whole angle has been.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 10, 2013 0:18:20 GMT -5
The question I have for this scenario is what happens to Orton?
Because there's no way Orton turns back this quickly and nobody is going to be cheering for the guy that they have been portrayed as having been handed everything like they have been saying the last few weeks.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 10, 2013 0:19:28 GMT -5
The question I have for this scenario is what happens to Orton? Because there's no way Orton turns back this quickly and nobody is going to be cheering for the guy that they have been portrayed as having been handed everything like they have been saying the last few weeks. Then again all it take is Orton to take off his shirt and RKO a heel jobber and he once again regain the female fanbase  |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 10, 2013 0:19:55 GMT -5
Well, considering HHH and Stephanie will continue their inexplicable attempts to be the top heels and top faces at the same time by burying all the faces everyone loves then punishing their heel subordinates for a cheap pop...sorry, what was the question? I got distracted by how stupid this whole angle has been. Ever see HBK vs. Rick Martel? It's easy for a heel to hate/mess with other heels without turning face with crowds, so long as they manage to be vile enough afterwards (as HHH and Steph often are). But back on topic: no to Chosen One Heel Cena. I'd rather have Unwilling Chosen One Cena. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 10, 2013 0:23:09 GMT -5
Well, considering HHH and Stephanie will continue their inexplicable attempts to be the top heels and top faces at the same time by burying all the faces everyone loves then punishing their heel subordinates for a cheap pop...sorry, what was the question? I got distracted by how stupid this whole angle has been. Ever see HBK vs. Rick Martel? It's easy for a heel to hate/mess with other heels without turning face with crowds, so long as they manage to be vile enough afterwards (as HHH and Steph often are). But back on topic: no to Chosen One Heel Cena. I'd rather have Unwilling Chosen One Cena. I'm torn because the idea of Unwilling Chosen One Cena reminds me of Unwilling Nexus Member and Wade Barrett's Waterboy in both the good and the bad. It was certainly an interesting arc for the Cena character, but they just didn't want to go all the way with for fear that people wouldn't be buying purple Cena shirts and that it ended with him effortlessly dismantling the Nexus once he got fired. |
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Post by The Tank on Dec 10, 2013 0:28:16 GMT -5
Ever see HBK vs. Rick Martel? It's easy for a heel to hate/mess with other heels without turning face with crowds, so long as they manage to be vile enough afterwards (as HHH and Steph often are). But back on topic: no to Chosen One Heel Cena. I'd rather have Unwilling Chosen One Cena. I'm torn because the idea of Unwilling Chosen One Cena reminds me of Unwilling Nexus Member and Wade Barrett's Waterboy in both the good and the bad. It was certainly an interesting arc for the Cena character, but they just didn't want to go all the way with for fear that people wouldn't be buying purple Cena shirts and that it ended with him effortlessly dismantling the Nexus once he got fired. Yeah, pretty much this. COULD it be interesting? Hell yeah, it could. Would it be interesting? Given modern WWE's track record, I just don't trust them enough to not screw it up. And as for the HBK/Rick Martel comparison, Clash, the complaining about HHH and Stephanie targeting other heels isn't the same thing. The only time that argument could be made was when they were against Paul Heyman because (GASP) continuity actually happened for once. Pretty much all of their other anti-heel stuff was just to get the crowd cheering for them out of nowhere while they were taking a break from making Big Show cry or this "This week, we're 110% behind Randy Orton. THIS week, we have no faith in him. NOW THIS WEEK, we're back in his corner!" crap. Maybe they're doing it intentionally, but it just comes off as poor writing, that there's no consistency to their characters at all, and that they're just making things up as they go in order to, again, have HHH and Stephanie be the top faces of the show and the top heels of the show at the same time. But that's just my opinion. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 10, 2013 0:36:30 GMT -5
Ever see HBK vs. Rick Martel? It's easy for a heel to hate/mess with other heels without turning face with crowds, so long as they manage to be vile enough afterwards (as HHH and Steph often are). But back on topic: no to Chosen One Heel Cena. I'd rather have Unwilling Chosen One Cena. I'm torn because the idea of Unwilling Chosen One Cena reminds me of Unwilling Nexus Member and Wade Barrett's Waterboy in both the good and the bad. It was certainly an interesting arc for the Cena character, but they just didn't want to go all the way with for fear that people wouldn't be buying purple Cena shirts and that it ended with him effortlessly dismantling the Nexus once he got fired. They didn't want to go all the way more because of Miz's ascension as the new top heel of WWE then, which didn't leave much room for Nexus/Barrett (I don't see how Miz could have gotten over as a heel WWE champion with Barrett, as we know he would have been booked to, chasing him for it), resulting in Cena's dismantling of them. Plus I don't see Cena leaving Wrestlemania with the titles anyway. That's not me being overly optimistic, it just doesn't seem all that likely to me for some reason. Because of that, it'll probably be some sort of Cena/Bryan/Punk group effort that finishes off the Authority anyway, especially if that ending was any hint. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 10, 2013 0:42:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't go with completely unwilling Cena.
Instead, I'd have HHH do the whole "Yeah, we've got no beef with you, you're good for business, John." thing, and Cena just be kind of "O.....K" about it. Not railing at HHH, but just going on about his business, though possibly subtly having Cena slowly work up a karmic debt to HHH a little at a time.
No silly "WE PAID YOUR BILLS" crap like they pulled with Show, though.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 10, 2013 0:43:03 GMT -5
I'm torn because the idea of Unwilling Chosen One Cena reminds me of Unwilling Nexus Member and Wade Barrett's Waterboy in both the good and the bad. It was certainly an interesting arc for the Cena character, but they just didn't want to go all the way with for fear that people wouldn't be buying purple Cena shirts and that it ended with him effortlessly dismantling the Nexus once he got fired. Yeah, pretty much this. COULD it be interesting? Hell yeah, it could. Would it be interesting? Given modern WWE's track record, I just don't trust them enough to not screw it up. And as for the HBK/Rick Martel comparison, Clash, the complaining about HHH and Stephanie targeting other heels isn't the same thing. The only time that argument could be made was when they were against Paul Heyman because (GASP) continuity actually happened for once. Pretty much all of their other anti-heel stuff was just to get the crowd cheering for them out of nowhere while they were taking a break from making Big Show cry or this "This week, we're 110% behind Randy Orton. THIS week, we have no faith in him. NOW THIS WEEK, we're back in his corner!" crap. Maybe they're doing it intentionally, but it just comes off as poor writing, that there's no consistency to their characters at all, and that they're just making things up as they go in order to, again, have HHH and Stephanie be the top faces of the show and the top heels of the show at the same time. But that's just my opinion. They try to give Orton chances because of his credentials, he messes up, they're not happy but they see him as doing the least harm business wise. That looks more to me like understandable disarray then them wanting to be different characters one week. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 10, 2013 1:04:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't go with completely unwilling Cena. Instead, I'd have HHH do the whole "Yeah, we've got no beef with you, you're good for business, John." thing, and Cena just be kind of "O.....K" about it. Not railing at HHH, but just going on about his business, though possibly subtly having Cena slowly work up a karmic debt to HHH a little at a time. No silly "WE PAID YOUR BILLS" crap like they pulled with Show, though. Agreed. Instead of having him angst or mope after getting endorsed by the Authority, I'd have Cena just cut a promo where he goes "I don't care about your corporate agenda, I'm just here to entertain the WWE Universe and prove that I'm the best." and Hunter will pat him on the back while grinning a shit-eating grin and be all "That's why we love you, John." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 1:06:15 GMT -5
Well, I don't see that happening, but after tonight it looks like the Greatest Of All Teams may take up arms against the Authority.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 10, 2013 2:57:33 GMT -5
The question I have for this scenario is what happens to Orton? Because there's no way Orton turns back this quickly and nobody is going to be cheering for the guy that they have been portrayed as having been handed everything like they have been saying the last few weeks. I figure Orton remains a heel, but just breaks away from the Authority. He gets pissed over his misfortune and takes his frustrations out by attacking some random face like Ziggler, and they build a feud from there. |
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