Lila
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Post by Lila on Dec 10, 2013 20:02:05 GMT -5
HBK is taking up time that surely would have gone to built the undercard! His segments should be given to a star of the future like Mr Kennedy.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 10, 2013 20:05:29 GMT -5
I enjoy HBK being on TV, and the fact he had a legendary career should always be mentioned at least once per appearance. But, yeah even in 99/00 when he was showing up fairly regularly as Commish or whatever, they tried to make it seem as if it was unheard of.
It really makes you wonder why the WWE doesn't reach out to some of the other legends... Tell me you wouldn't flip the f*** out if someone like the Mountie came out?
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Dec 10, 2013 20:07:42 GMT -5
Just go away and never look back. You never know which way he's going to look. I generally agree with the OP. I feel the same way about boring-ass Foley. Neither of them are particularly interesting at this point, however I do think having HBK involved with the Bryan stuff earlier was a smart thing to do. I just don't think they used him correctly. I hated the double cross and the reasoning for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 21:02:03 GMT -5
I love how it seems like every time its time for HHH to actually look vulnerable, scared or sell, HBK seems to almost always show up and take that bullet for him. I pointed this shit out last year and was chewed out for it. Dammit it! It's f***ing true because HHH on his own can't gain sympathy which is why when you look back at his career, he was always in some group or team. Spot on observation. Amazing post. In a few sentences, you summed up why most people don't like HHH. His high win rate is obnoxious but it is a distant second to what you said. Funny enough it's the same reason a lot of people do not like Cena.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 10, 2013 21:08:25 GMT -5
Shawn's always going to be my favorite of all time, but constantly dragging him back to be "Hunter's Little Buddy" has taken the bloom off of the rose.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 10, 2013 21:11:41 GMT -5
Depends on which Shawn we get.
"I'm here to do something funny, sell a non-HHH feud, be a heel etc" Shawn I like seeing.
"I'm just here to make people care about this HHH storyline" Shawn I can do without.
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 10, 2013 21:42:49 GMT -5
We always want someone to come back, & when they do, we want them to go away.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 10, 2013 21:44:54 GMT -5
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 10, 2013 21:45:35 GMT -5
I love HBK. He's ridiculously endearing. I'd have no problem if he showed up nonsensically forever. He doesn't bury anyone, steal their spotlight, and has done nothing but sell like crazy for people since his retirement (and long before).
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 10, 2013 21:53:42 GMT -5
I love HBK. He's ridiculously endearing. I'd have no problem if he showed up nonsensically forever. He doesn't bury anyone, steal their spotlight, and has done nothing but sell like crazy for people since his retirement (and long before). HBK coming back doesn't sound bad in theory. But I'd love it if he shared scenes with younger talents to give them a slight rub and wasn't just brought back to play 2nd banana to Hunner. Also, If HHH NEEDS to have someone to be vulnerable for him so he doesn't have to, there are others on the roster for whom such treatment would probably be a step up.
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Post by Chestnutrice on Dec 10, 2013 21:56:15 GMT -5
He's great at everything he's in, I can't get invested in anything HHH does because he sells it less than Cena does. But yeah, It does get annoying that he's Hunter's bitch at this point.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Dec 10, 2013 21:56:37 GMT -5
HBK somehow transforming into HHH's "little buddy" has been one of the most confusingly amusing and annoying things to happen since DX reformed. It's like WWE believes if they keep telling us it's that dynamic, and not the other way around, eventually they can retroactively change history to match this lie.
And, the fact that they've gone so far as to make HBK HHH's sympathy ragdoll since his retirement...it's revolting and yet perfectly crystallizes the major problem with HHH's character & handling of said character for a decade+.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 22:03:34 GMT -5
Every time he shows up all I'm thinking is "How awesome would an HBK & Cody Rhodes tag team be? The Cross Eyed Cross Rhodes."
Yeah, he's at the Foley level of random cameos that contain very little substance. They should keep him off TV for at least a year so people get excited when he comes back, similar how Stone Cold wasn't on TV last 2+ years.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 10, 2013 22:07:59 GMT -5
I love HBK. He's ridiculously endearing. I'd have no problem if he showed up nonsensically forever. He doesn't bury anyone, steal their spotlight, and has done nothing but sell like crazy for people since his retirement (and long before). HBK coming back doesn't sound bad in theory. But I'd love it if he shared scenes with younger talents to give them a slight rub and wasn't just brought back to play 2nd banana to Hunner. Also, If HHH NEEDS to have someone to be vulnerable for him so he doesn't have to, there are others on the roster for whom such treatment would probably be a step up. WWE's priority, unfortunately, will always be on the stories they see as the draws. So, HBK coming in will be used to get heat on the angles that are deemed most important: i.e. Brock last year, Bryan this year, Referee at WM 28 for Hunter/Taker, etc. And as for HHH, he should probably just take his lumps himself. He can't be both bad ass cool destroyer and cowardly boss simultaneously. Vince worked because he was a bully, but always got his comeuppance. If HHH thinks he should still be booked as a wrestler, than he should be an attraction, and not a pseudo suit. You can't play two conflicting characters simultaneously. I mean, if it was HHH, and not Vince in that angle where Stone Cold pulled the gun and Vince pissed himself, HHH would probably say "Come on, Steve. We all know that's not a real gun!" and then go toe to toe with him. He doesn't realize that corporate goons are cowards and bullies in morality tales. They're not tough guys. They need to be AFRAID of the protagonist. We're supposed to known that once the hero gets his hands on them, they're curtains. That's the appeal. Dick Jones needs to fly out that window, not go tooth and nail with Robocop.
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Post by Lila on Dec 10, 2013 22:26:10 GMT -5
I pointed this shit out last year and was chewed out for it. Dammit it! It's f***ing true because HHH on his own can't gain sympathy which is why when you look back at his career, he was always in some group or team. Spot on observation. Amazing post. In a few sentences, you summed up why most people don't like HHH. His high win rate is obnoxious but it is a distant second to what you said. Funny enough it's the same reason a lot of people do not like Cena. Cena IMO is nowhere near as bad as HHH can be. Cena at least knows more often than HHH when to put someone over or make look good ala Bryan and Ziggler to an extent.
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Post by Lila on Dec 10, 2013 22:39:36 GMT -5
I pointed this shit out last year and was chewed out for it. Dammit it! It's f***ing true because HHH on his own can't gain sympathy which is why when you look back at his career, he was always in some group or team. Spot on observation. Amazing post. In a few sentences, you summed up why most people don't like HHH. His high win rate is obnoxious but it is a distant second to what you said. Funny enough it's the same reason a lot of people do not like Cena. As much as I like HHH, I kinda now see more why he on his own should be more at Jericho level as far as how many times he's main-evented. That's pushing it a bit as Jericho is so good that Kevin Nash had to warn HHH about him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 23:19:06 GMT -5
The only negative about him being on TV is his sweet music keeps inching further away from everyone's chin. He used to be able to hit it right on target each time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 0:28:35 GMT -5
Spot on observation. Amazing post. In a few sentences, you summed up why most people don't like HHH. His high win rate is obnoxious but it is a distant second to what you said. Funny enough it's the same reason a lot of people do not like Cena. As much as I like HHH, I kinda now see more why he on his own should be more at Jericho level as far as how many times he's main-evented. That's pushing it a bit as Jericho is so good that Kevin Nash had to warn HHH about him. The sad thing is, HHH has a GREAT character. It would just take minor character tweaks and booking tweaks. In the end though, here's the deal. I WANT TO ROOT FOR FACES. I want WWE to give me a reason. I think this is a big thing on why people like Daniel Bryan so much, he's a face and people like him. That shouldn't be new. We should want to root for the faces. I'm tired of rooting for heels. Faces should fail some, and then succeed, and we should enjoy it when they do. WCW/TNA went overboard with making heels too strong, but I think WWE goes overboard with making faces too strong. And yeah I know HHH is a heel at the moment, but you know what I mean. The story in wrestling should be "Can my guy overcome the odds?" He has to FAIL to overcome the odds some. Not all the time, but some. THen he wins and you say YAY! Invincible characters just aren't much fun. They might be for kids, but not for me as a long time viewer.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 11, 2013 7:56:59 GMT -5
One thing I don't get is that Micheals has comeback about three dozen times since Bryan has made the main roster and despite a few random blink and you miss it mentions of Micheals training Daniel, they've had no interaction no matter how much it would have made sense. Even a backstage Booker T runs into Bischoff type of interaction would have been an awesome moment. In the meantime Bryan is gaining his own head of steam with the crowd and all of a sudden the try to shoehorn Micheals into some sort of relationship with him, even though Micheals has appeared on the same show as him previously with no mention. It just feels forced now.
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Post by Rave on Dec 11, 2013 8:02:36 GMT -5
Them bringing out HBK doesn't annoy me near as much as when they bring out Bret or Foley. They should go away first.
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