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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 13, 2013 10:28:14 GMT -5
[That had nothing to do with it and your examples are not the greatest. The WWE Schedule verses WCW. Nash's health while he looks good has had 20 knee or leg surgeries, two shoulder surgeres, and a neck problem that he in his shoots admits his neck in a mess. Goldberg is healthy because he doesn't have Ten years total of being an active wrestler. So yeah of course he's healthy. Because he only wrestled a hardcore full time schedule for less than four years. Because keep in mind that he did have two injuries in WCW that he missed several months for. He came in the later part of the Summer of 97 and went too the Jan PPV in 01 before WCW ended. Then worked a couple matches in 02 in Japan. Then did a year in WWE from WM to WM pretty much. Sting and Flair have been hurt. Sting took time off post WCW before doing what you call full time. Even in TNA he doesn't work every show. So yeah Sting would be able. Angle is still going in TNA and having good matches and had a bad neck before he started Pro. Taker is the way he is because he been going long runs without rest and the last few years before the WM only stuff happened. He came back twice earlier then he was supposed too biggest example is when Jeff Hardy was leaving. They needed a top face on Smackdown so they called in Taker who had hip surgery that year. Yeah coming back early and not resting will add up. Because think about this. Before 94. Taker went non stop from day one in the WWE. From Summer of 94 he went non stop until late 99. Add in the crazy matches into that with Foley and Shawn, yeah he will be beat up now when he didn't rest. Foley is the way he is because for most of his career he himself took every crazy bump he could no matter were he went. You can't spend all you career doing Hardcore style matches or take even during a regular match crazy hits and expect to be healthy now. The schedule helped, but that doesn't change the fact the style the WWF/E used through the Attitude era and was using at the time that JR made these comments was brutal on the bodies of workers. They didn't stop and switch to the 'safe style' because it looked better, because it was something the audience had been crying out for, they stopped because it was cutting people's careers short so they had to switch to a style similar to WCW (Pre Russo), only with the PG-ness turned up to 11. You make it sound like guys like Edge and Foley chose to take every ridiculous career shortening bump, when it was the WWF booking these idiotic matches with these spots, guys like Michael P.S. Hayes, who never worked a TLC match in his life, throwing these matches together with little regard for the safety of the guys involved. X-Pac talked about backstage resentment toward him over it when discussing the planeride from hell. (3:30 or so in, language warning) The Attitude era and ECW Hardcore style looked real because they were genuinely hurting oneanother, I'm glad those days are over in mainstream wrestling. |
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Post by DoubleDare on Dec 13, 2013 10:35:22 GMT -5
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Post by Bad Moon on Dec 13, 2013 10:48:38 GMT -5
I remember seeing some WCW clips before I actually got into wrestling and it looked like a parody of what I always heard pro-wrestling was like.
These two guys used to be best friends but now he betrayed him to join up with his arch-enemy... Oh no, it was a doublecross all along!
These two groups hate eachother because they wear the same t-shirt but with different colour schemes or one letter changed!
Here's a bunch of dudes in masks and costumes and none of them ever speaks a word of English to explain why they hate eachother.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 13, 2013 19:14:04 GMT -5
[That had nothing to do with it and your examples are not the greatest. The WWE Schedule verses WCW. Nash's health while he looks good has had 20 knee or leg surgeries, two shoulder surgeres, and a neck problem that he in his shoots admits his neck in a mess. Goldberg is healthy because he doesn't have Ten years total of being an active wrestler. So yeah of course he's healthy. Because he only wrestled a hardcore full time schedule for less than four years. Because keep in mind that he did have two injuries in WCW that he missed several months for. He came in the later part of the Summer of 97 and went too the Jan PPV in 01 before WCW ended. Then worked a couple matches in 02 in Japan. Then did a year in WWE from WM to WM pretty much. Sting and Flair have been hurt. Sting took time off post WCW before doing what you call full time. Even in TNA he doesn't work every show. So yeah Sting would be able. Angle is still going in TNA and having good matches and had a bad neck before he started Pro. Taker is the way he is because he been going long runs without rest and the last few years before the WM only stuff happened. He came back twice earlier then he was supposed too biggest example is when Jeff Hardy was leaving. They needed a top face on Smackdown so they called in Taker who had hip surgery that year. Yeah coming back early and not resting will add up. Because think about this. Before 94. Taker went non stop from day one in the WWE. From Summer of 94 he went non stop until late 99. Add in the crazy matches into that with Foley and Shawn, yeah he will be beat up now when he didn't rest. Foley is the way he is because for most of his career he himself took every crazy bump he could no matter were he went. You can't spend all you career doing Hardcore style matches or take even during a regular match crazy hits and expect to be healthy now. The schedule helped, but that doesn't change the fact the style the WWF/E used through the Attitude era and was using at the time that JR made these comments was brutal on the bodies of workers. They didn't stop and switch to the 'safe style' because it looked better, because it was something the audience had been crying out for, they stopped because it was cutting people's careers short so they had to switch to a style similar to WCW (Pre Russo), only with the PG-ness turned up to 11. You make it sound like guys like Edge and Foley chose to take every ridiculous career shortening bump, when it was the WWF booking these idiotic matches with these spots, guys like Michael P.S. Hayes, who never worked a TLC match in his life, throwing these matches together with little regard for the safety of the guys involved. X-Pac talked about backstage resentment toward him over it when discussing the planeride from hell. (3:30 or so in, language warning) The Attitude era and ECW Hardcore style looked real because they were genuinely hurting oneanother, I'm glad those days are over in mainstream wrestling. Yes I do make it sound like they chose because THEY DID make that move. You are crazy to tell me Foley more so isn't at fault but the WWE is. Because before he was even in the WWE he was in Japan doing Death matches. EVEN in WCW where he had his ear ripped off he was doing things NOBODY else on the roster. Foley was Jumping of his own roof before he became a wrestler. So don't even say he did it because he was told too. He did those things to get notice and stand out from everyone else. Don't blame the WWE for what happened to Edge because again those spots was on him. Bubba Ray Dudley has no issues nor does Devon. Christian didn't until he cameback to the WWE. It not the WWE fault that Edge did the spear as a finisher. It not the WWE fault that Owen Hart botched a move on Austin. That is why Austin's neck is screwed up. And his knee problems is the same reasons why anybody else in the business in hurt. Because as safe as you want it too be things still happen. Rey Mysterio who had several Knee injuries in WCW in non extreme matches, because he wrestles a risky style. It's his on fault he does those moves from the top and lands on his feet and you can tell all his weight ins on the knees because there always bent. Who fault is that WCW, WWE, and not Rey? |
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Post by evilone on Dec 13, 2013 20:59:09 GMT -5
Cactus Jack vs Vader
Don't tell me that was soft.
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Post by Phil Parent on Dec 13, 2013 22:48:01 GMT -5
Cactus Jack vs Vader Don't tell me that was soft. Especially when you watch the copy from Foley's personnal collection that has all the blood in. WCW's editors chopped the match to shit so that TBS would air it. |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 14, 2013 2:56:07 GMT -5
I'd say WCW/NWA seemed more stiff and real up until about They started getting desperate. Coincidentally, or completely because of, the time Vince Russo showed up.
Seriously, just youtube a clip of WCW 2000 and wcw 1998. It's like Night and day. Total wackiness that I couldn't take seriously.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 14, 2013 3:25:51 GMT -5
I hated their sound-stage shows like Worldwide. Wrestling in a sound stage is several kinds of crappy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 8:13:36 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. Did one of them ever tell you "Ric Flair may look like a wimp, but he's tough"? That's what one of my friends would insist. (Not to harp on geographical differences, but his family was from Kentucky. NWA/WCW is definitely a Southern pride thing.) My wife's grandparents would only watch WCW because "it's real". They were hung up on the production and lighting. They thought all wrestling shows should be held in dimly-lit places. |
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 14, 2013 8:22:47 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. Did one of them ever tell you "Ric Flair may look like a wimp, but he's tough"? That's what one of my friends would insist. (Not to harp on geographical differences, but his family was from Kentucky. NWA/WCW is definitely a Southern pride thing.) My wife's grandparents would only watch WCW because "it's real". They were hung up on the production and lighting. They thought all wrestling shows should be held in dimly-lit places. No. It was weird though. He was the kid that discovered everything later than everyone else, but then acted like he was the one who discovered it. Here's an example that make me laugh: Had a Blackhawks hat that I got signed by Chris Chellios & Steve Smith. He saw it, & ripped on me for liking hockey. The next year, everything he owned was hockey gear, & he went around "selling" the sport of hockey to everyone. Including me. He's on the bus talking hockey, & I corrected him on a players name. He claimed I.didn't know what I was talking about, & only liked the Hawks cuz he did. Riiiight. Anyway, he was just a kid who ran his mouth, including how fake the WWF was, & how real WCW was. He didn't watch WWF though, & I watched both... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 13:52:36 GMT -5
I watched WCW a lot in the 90s but was always more of a WWF guy. That being said, WCW always seemed more realistic to me. Not necessarily the work, but the presentation of the show.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 14, 2013 13:59:50 GMT -5
I take anything JR says with a giant grain of salt. He has always been a shill for whatever company he works for.
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