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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 14:03:36 GMT -5
When I was a kid (during the tail end of the attitude era) I always knew wrestling was a work but was able to suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy WWF more than I ever could nowadays.
I never really got in to WCW and I remember my main reasons were that
A) It looked fake B) I couldnt follow it and had no idea who most the wrestlers were C) Sometimes I could see the wrestlers talking to each other during the match and it was pretty blatent
I'd still watch Worldwide on Channel 5 if I was flicking through and it was on, and I'd cath the first hour of Nitro whilst waiting for Raw but I never really got in to it for those 2 reasons.
Recently I saw in the Old Observers thread about how J.R made a comment about WCW being less physical and more akin to ballet than the WWF and about how the invasion roster were all getting injured because of that change which apparantly at the time upset quite a few people.
But I think J.R is right when I think back to being young and thinking WCW looked fake, hell if a 10 year old could pick up on that then of course someone like J.R with years around the industry is going to make such an observation and be correct.
So why did everyone get so offended when all J.R did was make an observation that based on my memories wasn't exactly wrong?
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 12, 2013 14:07:30 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 14:12:16 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. Maybe it was just a phenomenon of selectively not noticing the things that ruined suspension of disbelief in the product I enjoyed but noticing and holding them against the product I wasn't a fan of Hell come to think of it maybe even J.R was in the same boat and was blinded by his loyalty to WWF I don't have any WCW/NWA fans to compare it to because no one really liked WCW at the time in the UK (or if they did WWF was so big they kept quiet about it and pretended to like WWF) - though come to think of it Nitro was available in alot more homes than Raw was (but still no one ever talked about WCW in the playground, and WWF was easy to follow as even if you couldn't get Raw every house in the country could follow the highlights on heat)
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 12, 2013 14:14:30 GMT -5
Certainly possible. It's like when you get a new car & you suddenly see a ton of people driving the exact same car. They've always been there, you just never paid attention to them.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 12, 2013 14:26:19 GMT -5
I'm biased as I was and still am a WWE mark but I hated WCW. The sets looked like cardboard the ring was tiny, the ring announcer was bloody awful, the music as an abomination, the announcers were horrible (Heenan couldn't give a crap) and the whole thing seemed really dingy and grey.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 12, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5
I think it had to do with the WCW ring too... it didn't seem like what a REAL ring should be. I don't know how to describe it... but specifically the grey ring that was used on WCW Saturday Night looked and sounded more like a toy than the WWF ring.
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Post by ellisdee on Dec 12, 2013 16:26:21 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. Speaking as a WWF fan boy, NWA/early WCW had that feel of a real wrestling match and the WWF and it's high production made it seem more like a tv show than a wrestling match. Later on in to the 90's as more people grew up on the WWF, lower production quality made things look more shabby. It's all based on what you grew up on really.
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Post by amaron on Dec 12, 2013 16:34:10 GMT -5
I LOVED the sound of the WCW ring.
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Post by Scott Parker on Dec 12, 2013 19:33:13 GMT -5
When I was a kid (during the tail end of the attitude era) A) It looked fake ... C) Sometimes I could see the wrestlers talking to each other during the match and it was pretty blatent In my opinion, the reason for these is WWF/E production team really got good at taking advantage of their multiple cameras around the ring. They knew when to switch from one camera to another. They know when to close-up on a wrestler's face, when to take a shot to show the whole ring and all the action, etc. Obviously, they aren't 100% perfect all the time, but definitely the best at knowing when to use which camera angle at certain times in a match. After years and countless hours of TV taping, live televised events, PPVs, taping house show footage, video tape exclusive matches, and everything else, they practically got the art of taping a wrestling match down to a science.
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 12, 2013 23:52:04 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. Speaking as a WWF fan boy, NWA/early WCW had that feel of a real wrestling match and the WWF and it's high production made it seem more like a tv show than a wrestling match. Later on in to the 90's as more people grew up on the WWF, lower production quality made things look more shabby. It's all based on what you grew up on really. Yeah, I can buy that. Guess I am thinking more of the older days.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 13, 2013 0:04:01 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. See growing up in the deep south in the early 80s to mid 80s WWF was known as "that fake ass yankee S***!". JCP/NWA/WCW was thought of in a better light. But Mid South/UWF and Memphis was the big two. At an indy show in town back in 2010 I had a gentleman that was I am guessing in his mid 50s tell me. "Yep now WWF has always been fake. But all the rest was real until Mid South folded!" He seemed to be completely serious. I see him at any show in this town and he is always a blast to talk too.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 13, 2013 0:25:35 GMT -5
When I got back into pro wrestling during the monday night wars, I first got into wcw. So when I started to watch the wwf, I wasn't use to their focus on less wrestling moves. So the matches from them just seemed so half assed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 3:59:40 GMT -5
My first few wrestling shows were WWF 2000/2001 shows. Then a friend started lending me his WCW tapes. I went "Oh man, WCW looks so much more real!" and liked it a lot more.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 13, 2013 5:09:18 GMT -5
A friend of mine liked WCW because he said the ropes were better.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 13, 2013 5:21:48 GMT -5
I would've thought WCW wrestling would actually be stiffer, because WCW had more emphasis on the wrestling than WWE did. WCW (or more accurately, NWA I guess) had many more guys who had a reputation for being stiff/legit tough guys than WWE did.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 13, 2013 6:24:42 GMT -5
If you want to talk about a product that looks fake, try watching the WWF syndicated jobbersquash shows from the 90s where the WWF guys would go through their move sets with little to no offense from their opponent... with the added fun of seeing some off those guys return a few months later with a push.
Honestly, I think being less physical than the WWF is a good thing, through the late 90s, the WWF increased their demands on workers to the point where most of thee guys who worked for them are utterly wrecked, look at Edge (neck), Mick Foley (everything), HHH (quads), Austin (neck, knees), Taker (hips, knees), Angle (neck) and so on and so forth while guys like Sting, Nash, Goldberg and so on still have a run left in them, even Flair managed to put on matches in his 50s.
As for JR, the guy has an axe to grind against WCW in general because they promoted Bischoff over his head so I find it hard to take any criticism that comes from his mouth seriously. He's a petty, petty man.
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 13, 2013 7:09:40 GMT -5
Interesting. When I was a kid, a couple other kids would only watch NWA/WCW because that was real, & the WWF was obviously fake. See growing up in the deep south in the early 80s to mid 80s WWF was known as "that fake ass yankee S***!". JCP/NWA/WCW was thought of in a better light. But Mid South/UWF and Memphis was the big two. At an indy show in town back in 2010 I had a gentleman that was I am guessing in his mid 50s tell me. "Yep now WWF has always been fake. But all the rest was real until Mid South folded!" He seemed to be completely serious. I see him at any show in this town and he is always a blast to talk too. I've heard stories like that before, & I can definitely see it happening. Luckily, I had access to both WWF & NWA/WCW here, so I watched both as much as I could.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 13, 2013 7:47:18 GMT -5
If you want to talk about a product that looks fake, try watching the WWF syndicated jobbersquash shows from the 90s where the WWF guys would go through their move sets with little to no offense from their opponent... with the added fun of seeing some off those guys return a few months later with a push. Honestly, I think being less physical than the WWF is a good thing, through the late 90s, the WWF increased their demands on workers to the point where most of thee guys who worked for them are utterly wrecked, look at Edge (neck), Mick Foley (everything), HHH (quads), Austin (neck, knees), Taker (hips, knees), Angle (neck) and so on and so forth while guys like Sting, Nash, Goldberg and so on still have a run left in them, even Flair managed to put on matches in his 50s. As for JR, the guy has an axe to grind against WCW in general because they promoted Bischoff over his head so I find it hard to take any criticism that comes from his mouth seriously. He's a petty, petty man. That had nothing to do with it and your examples are not the greatest. The WWE Schedule verses WCW. Nash's health while he looks good has had 20 knee or leg surgeries, two shoulder surgeres, and a neck problem that he in his shoots admits his neck in a mess. Goldberg is healthy because he doesn't have Ten years total of being an active wrestler. So yeah of course he's healthy. Because he only wrestled a hardcore full time schedule for less than four years. Because keep in mind that he did have two injuries in WCW that he missed several months for. He came in the later part of the Summer of 97 and went too the Jan PPV in 01 before WCW ended. Then worked a couple matches in 02 in Japan. Then did a year in WWE from WM to WM pretty much. Sting and Flair have been hurt. Sting took time off post WCW before doing what you call full time. Even in TNA he doesn't work every show. So yeah Sting would be able. Angle is still going in TNA and having good matches and had a bad neck before he started Pro. Taker is the way he is because he been going long runs without rest and the last few years before the WM only stuff happened. He came back twice earlier then he was supposed too biggest example is when Jeff Hardy was leaving. They needed a top face on Smackdown so they called in Taker who had hip surgery that year. Yeah coming back early and not resting will add up. Because think about this. Before 94. Taker went non stop from day one in the WWE. From Summer of 94 he went non stop until late 99. Add in the crazy matches into that with Foley and Shawn, yeah he will be beat up now when he didn't rest. Foley is the way he is because for most of his career he himself took every crazy bump he could no matter were he went. You can't spend all you career doing Hardcore style matches or take even during a regular match crazy hits and expect to be healthy now.
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Post by DoubleDare on Dec 13, 2013 8:17:21 GMT -5
Wasn't WCW using plastic chairs to hit each other for a while? Definitely wasn't as cool as wwf's metal chairs.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 13, 2013 8:22:01 GMT -5
I LOVED the sound of the WCW ring. I did too! I always used to notice this kind go stuff as a kid. WCW definitely had the better ring in the mid 90s. Especially since it seems like the WWF switched theirs up and it almost sounded like it had a snare under it.
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