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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2013 17:20:01 GMT -5
Oooooh I was off by two months. Real biggie... And, I mentioned the KOTR/Austin thing. Regardless, the dude wasn't forced to job for a year. Your post was demeaning someone who got facts wrongs. Facts you yourself then got wrong in turn. That's all I'm saying. Your correcting him was nullified by your own error. So get off your high horse, bro. My original post wasn't demeaning in any form. Regardless if I was two months off, the fact remains: Triple H didn't job for a year. So, no, my error didn't nullify that fact. Sorry that I didn't jump on wikipedia to verify when he won the IC title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 17:47:49 GMT -5
If they're a champ and they do something illegal or really bad form, I can see taking the title off of them, because in itself that's sort of a fine. But not like "losing streak/announcers rip on them" type stuff.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 15, 2013 17:56:46 GMT -5
I say no. If they're champ they have to lose once, but be done at that.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 15, 2013 17:59:15 GMT -5
Whatever happens backstage should stay backstage. I don't see any point to why the fans should be punished by having to sit through the humiliation of a wrestler who upset a higher up. What does that achieve beside petty self-satisfaction?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 15, 2013 18:00:54 GMT -5
Don't forget one of the most egregious examples, Perry Saturn being given a moron/crazy gimmick after seriously injuring a jobber.
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Post by Gelatinous Parasite on Dec 15, 2013 18:26:19 GMT -5
- WWE and ECW Champion Rob Van Dam is busted for driving while high, the next episode of TV he loses both titles and then loses to Randy Orton before disappearing off WWE TV. RVD's suspension actually happened a year before he was written out and left WWE. Not only that, but he actually beat Orton in his final match before he left in 2007.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 15, 2013 18:30:43 GMT -5
Your post was demeaning someone who got facts wrongs. Facts you yourself then got wrong in turn. That's all I'm saying. Your correcting him was nullified by your own error. So get off your high horse, bro. My original post wasn't demeaning in any form. Regardless if I was two months off, the fact remains: Triple H didn't job for a year. So, no, my error didn't nullify that fact. Sorry that I didn't jump on wikipedia to verify when he won the IC title. Your arrogance was nullified. You were embarrassed because your factual correction was also incorrect. So you have no grounds to correct anyone. The "fact remains" that you were both incorrect. That's "the fact". And jumping onto Wikipedia might be a smart recourse next time you're correcting someone. Better to have your facts straight lest you look the fool.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 15, 2013 18:34:21 GMT -5
I don't get it. Aside from sending them home like somebody suggested, how else DO you punish them? Like, the entire point of "punishing" them on TV is to demote their character until they desire their original standing. In a company based solely around that, that seems like a pretty damn logical decision. And in a sentence, you just pointed out one big reason why it's incredibly stupid to organize your company that way.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2013 18:45:18 GMT -5
My original post wasn't demeaning in any form. Regardless if I was two months off, the fact remains: Triple H didn't job for a year. So, no, my error didn't nullify that fact. Sorry that I didn't jump on wikipedia to verify when he won the IC title. Your arrogance was nullified. You were embarrassed because your factual correction was also incorrect. So you have no grounds to correct anyone. The "fact remains" that you were both incorrect. That's "the fact". And jumping onto Wikipedia might be a smart recourse next time you're correcting someone. Better to have your facts straight lest you look the fool. Not embarrassed at all. I'm not losing any sleep because some elitest guy on the internet thinks he's got one up on me because I was two months off in recollecting something that happened 17 years ago. There was no arrogance in my original post. In fact, my post pertained to the thread topic. Your posts haven't.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 15, 2013 18:49:45 GMT -5
Your arrogance was nullified. You were embarrassed because your factual correction was also incorrect. So you have no grounds to correct anyone. The "fact remains" that you were both incorrect. That's "the fact". And jumping onto Wikipedia might be a smart recourse next time you're correcting someone. Better to have your facts straight lest you look the fool. Not embarrassed at all. I'm not losing any sleep because some elitest guy on the internet thinks he's got one up on me because I was two months off in recollecting something that happened 17 years ago. There was no arrogance in my original post. In fact, my post pertained to the thread topic. Your posts haven't. You need to digest what you just wrote, and tell me that this is honestly the response of a guy who doesn't care. You shouldn't care. That's cool. You should just stop correcting people with incorrect information. What was the point of your correction in the first place? To let said poster know that he was off on the date of the information he said? You were, too. And I corrected you. Big deal. So ya. Stop arguing. And leave with some dignity, man.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 15, 2013 18:51:41 GMT -5
Not embarrassed at all. I'm not losing any sleep because some elitest guy on the internet thinks he's got one up on me because I was two months off in recollecting something that happened 17 years ago. There was no arrogance in my original post. In fact, my post pertained to the thread topic. Your posts haven't. You need to digest what you just wrote, and tell me that this is honestly the response of a guy who doesn't care. You shouldn't care. That's cool. You should just stop correcting people with incorrect information. What was the point of your correction in the first place? To let said poster know that he was off on the date of the information he said? You were, too. And I corrected you. Big deal. So ya. Stop arguing. And leave with some dignity, man. lmao at your sig.
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Post by Shark on Dec 15, 2013 18:53:28 GMT -5
It's basic business. Never handle behind the scenes issues in public. Never air your dirty laundry in public as the saying goes. It makes you look bad.
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Post by RIHT on Dec 15, 2013 19:02:44 GMT -5
The problem with "punishing" guys on TV, is
1. It usually hurts us fans. The guy we wanted to be champ so bad, RVD, was severely punished for a relatively small thing (smoking weed). I don't think they had the wellness policy back then, and I'm not sure if pot is technically against it. WWE should've at least taken him off the road for a few weeks rather than destroying a huge storyline. Then there's guys like Dolph Ziggler who are punished on TV and we're forced to see him job all of the time.
2. They are not consistent. Everything I said earlier.... wouldn't apply to Randy Orton. Hell, when he returned from suspension, they gave him a surprise return with great fanfare.
Bottom line is, WWE is dumb with this stuff, and it hurts us fans more than it probably punishes anyone else. Bad logic.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 15, 2013 19:08:34 GMT -5
Not embarrassed at all. I'm not losing any sleep because some elitest guy on the internet thinks he's got one up on me because I was two months off in recollecting something that happened 17 years ago. There was no arrogance in my original post. In fact, my post pertained to the thread topic. Your posts haven't. You need to digest what you just wrote, and tell me that this is honestly the response of a guy who doesn't care. You shouldn't care. That's cool. You should just stop correcting people with incorrect information. What was the point of your correction in the first place? To let said poster know that he was off on the date of the information he said? You were, too. And I corrected you. Big deal. So ya. Stop arguing. And leave with some dignity, man. So you're telling him to quit arguing so you can have the last word and if he responds he's clearly embarrassed and angry? Calling him out like that is worse than his correction. Have some class FANners jesus.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 15, 2013 19:09:43 GMT -5
I don't get it. Aside from sending them home like somebody suggested, how else DO you punish them? Like, the entire point of "punishing" them on TV is to demote their character until they desire their original standing. In a company based solely around that, that seems like a pretty damn logical decision. And in a sentence, you just pointed out one big reason why it's incredibly stupid to organize your company that way. I think it's just as stupid to wipe somebody off television, which then puts your talent/writing at risk just as much. Imagine Swagger was taken off TV entirely for several months. Then what? He comes back to the main event? What happens? In his case, he was demoted to a tag team but now he's arguably doing his best work. So he got demoted on TV but he turned that into gold. So good on him. That makes him look 1000 times better than, um, writing off television.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2013 19:14:49 GMT -5
Not embarrassed at all. I'm not losing any sleep because some elitest guy on the internet thinks he's got one up on me because I was two months off in recollecting something that happened 17 years ago. There was no arrogance in my original post. In fact, my post pertained to the thread topic. Your posts haven't. You need to digest what you just wrote, and tell me that this is honestly the response of a guy who doesn't care. You shouldn't care. That's cool. You should just stop correcting people with incorrect information. What was the point of your correction in the first place? To let said poster know that he was off on the date of the information he said? You were, too. And I corrected you. Big deal. So ya. Stop arguing. And leave with some dignity, man. OK, I think you're severly missing the point of my post. Triple H wasn't forced to job for a year. Regardless if he won the title 2 or 4 months after the Curtain Call incident. The dude was on a pretty good roll in 96-97, despite having a cruddy gimmick, and having partaken in the CC. You're the only person complaining that I said "2 months" part, and are ignoring the overall point. Go back to trolling Paris Hilton.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 15, 2013 19:18:26 GMT -5
I get objection but what's the alternative?
Sure it's preferable to be punished on TV than to be released. You can't not discipline someone for bad behaviour.
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Post by bootytea on Dec 15, 2013 19:25:04 GMT -5
A lot of the punishments are really mature.
I also hate double standards such as writing storyline reasons for offenders to be taken out of a story if they are high on the totem pole, but not bothering with the lower card. The first example I think of is R-Truth getting knocked out by the Miz instead of them just announcing he was suspended. It is better to humiliate them instead of basically sending the message that they have something planned for them despite being a major inconvenience.
With that in mind, that sort of thing ruined the Great American Bash 2006. Surely they could have come up with something better like how they were all in the lavatory and the Great Khali farted so badly that everyone in there passed out and needed to be rushed to the hospital immediately.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 15, 2013 19:27:01 GMT -5
Whatever happens backstage should stay backstage. I don't see any point to why the fans should be punished by having to sit through the humiliation of a wrestler who upset a higher up. What does that achieve beside petty self-satisfaction?You just kinda answered your own question.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Dec 15, 2013 19:29:44 GMT -5
I think they should. Teach them a lesson and maybe a little humbling too. Some of them probably deserve to have their unjustly swelled egos taken down a few pegs. It would make for some fun TV too...lol.
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