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Post by kamero00 on Dec 15, 2013 22:06:22 GMT -5
ummm crowds are not cheering for like ANY of the Superstars the WWE wants anymore. And for heels they don't like, they are either not reacting, or chanting boring.
Is this a result of people getting sick of the WWE not pushing who they want to see? Have they pissed off the casual fan to the point, where only smarky ones are left?
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Post by Chiral on Dec 15, 2013 22:07:21 GMT -5
It's because the FANS ARE JUST MARKS FOR THEMSELVES GRAHHH
I think it's because of what you said; the fans have had to see the current main eventers for so many hours, just the sheer amount of TV time they've had with little character change is astronomical.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 15, 2013 22:13:28 GMT -5
In 1986, they shot an angle with Jake Roberts and Hulk Hogan where the fans cheered for the heel Jake laying out the super face Hogan. They saw that reaction and turned Jake into one of their biggest babyfaces for the rest of the 1980s.
Nowadays, they'd have Jake job clean to Hillbilly Jim on the very next show to teach the crowd a lesson.
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Post by kamero00 on Dec 15, 2013 22:20:05 GMT -5
In 1986, they shot an angle with Jake Roberts and Hulk Hogan where the fans cheered for the heel Jake laying out the super face Hogan. They saw that reaction and turned Jake into one of their biggest babyfaces for the rest of the 1980s. Nowadays, they'd have Jake job clean to Hillbilly Jim on the very next show to teach the crowd a lesson. *sigh, I wish your point was not right, but it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 22:21:15 GMT -5
Smark is the new casual.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 15, 2013 22:23:02 GMT -5
Fans sometimes like different wrestlers than who the wwe wants to push. Always happens that way since wrestling fans aren't one hivemind.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 15, 2013 22:24:34 GMT -5
Have they pissed off the casual fan to the point, where only smarky ones are left? I'd say it's more a matter of them getting bored or gravitating towards MMA, but otherwise, basically this. The casual fanbase is dwindling, such that the smarky diehards make up a greater portion of the remaining audience. And if WWE doesn't want this, they shot themselves in the foot with MitB 2011, by basically telling the hardcore crowd that if they whine loud and long enough, WWE will eventually cave and start catering to them. |
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Post by kamero00 on Dec 15, 2013 22:29:05 GMT -5
Have they pissed off the casual fan to the point, where only smarky ones are left? I'd say it's more a matter of them getting bored or gravitating towards MMA, but otherwise, basically this. The casual fanbase is dwindling, such that the smarky diehards make up a greater portion of the remaining audience. And if WWE doesn't want this, they shot themselves in the foot with MitB 2011, by basically telling the hardcore crowd that if they whine loud and long enough, WWE will eventually cave and start catering to them. Even the kids are disappearing. Can't say if they are just growing up, and have gotten sick of how cartoony the product is, or just don't care. All the kids of the "New Generation" era grew up, and the WWE evolved with them, with the Attitude Era |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 15, 2013 22:31:18 GMT -5
In 1986, they shot an angle with Jake Roberts and Hulk Hogan where the fans cheered for the heel Jake laying out the super face Hogan. They saw that reaction and turned Jake into one of their biggest babyfaces for the rest of the 1980s. Nowadays, they'd have Jake job clean to Hillbilly Jim on the very next show to teach the crowd a lesson. It's more likely that they'd generic Roberts up by stripping away everything that has made him popular in the first place and making him SRS in an attempt to get him heat. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 22:34:20 GMT -5
In 1986, they shot an angle with Jake Roberts and Hulk Hogan where the fans cheered for the heel Jake laying out the super face Hogan. They saw that reaction and turned Jake into one of their biggest babyfaces for the rest of the 1980s. Nowadays, they'd have Jake job clean to Hillbilly Jim on the very next show to teach the crowd a lesson. It's more likely that they'd generic Roberts up by stripping away everything that has made him popular in the first place and making him SRS in an attempt to get him heat. Well, first they'd have him have a feud with Hogan where he talks up how he's not a real wrestler and has never truly faced any real challenges, then claim Jake as the underdog and talk up how Hogan inevitably beating him proves he's the real deal and Jake's just a jealous loser. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 15, 2013 22:41:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them were turned off by this Authority angle. I can't think of a more oppressive and constantly disappointing angle in recent history.
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Post by kamero00 on Dec 15, 2013 22:44:01 GMT -5
"Biggest moment in WWE history" and the crowd just sat on their hands.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 22:46:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them were turned off by this Authority angle. I can't think of a more oppressive and constantly disappointing angle in recent history. Honestly, while there've been plenty of storylines I've hated over the years, I can't remember the last time I just so actively dreaded even a split second of time being devoted to an angle, or wanted every single person involved with it to just go the hell away as badly as I do with Triple H and Big Show and Cena and Orton and Stephanie and Stephanie and oh god get rid of Stephanie already. Like... I think the last angle I can recall that dragged on for months and months and months like this with absolutely nothing redeemable about it was the Triple H / Kevin Nash one from 2003, and at least that wasn't the focus of the entire company. |
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 15, 2013 22:53:25 GMT -5
I really am thinking WWE's heading into the awfulness that was 1995/1996. Except this time they're stubborn as **** and we won't get a big change.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2013 23:08:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them were turned off by this Authority angle. I can't think of a more oppressive and constantly disappointing angle in recent history. Honestly, while there've been plenty of storylines I've hated over the years, I can't remember the last time I just so actively dreaded even a split second of time being devoted to an angle, or wanted every single person involved with it to just go the hell away as badly as I do with Triple H and Big Show and Cena and Orton and Stephanie and Stephanie and oh god get rid of Stephanie already. Like... I think the last angle I can recall that dragged on for months and months and months like this with absolutely nothing redeemable about it was the Triple H / Kevin Nash one from 2003, and at least that wasn't the focus of the entire company. I'm not a Triple H hater, I admit it is fun to read & chime in on Hunter Hate threads just for kicks. But, man has he killed the past few months for me. Since I tuned back in a few years ago, I watch less & less of Raw & the PPVs lately. The way they've handled the current story has been piss poor. The payoff better be Bryan winning the Rumble, or there's nothing redeemable about this story (other than one World Title - Finally). |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 15, 2013 23:59:07 GMT -5
WWE needs to truly reevaluate again babyfaces and heels like they pretended to in 1997. I don't mean making good guys assholes, but just having characters with unique personalities and moralities and letting the crowds decide who they like, instead of pushing the manufactured narrative.
That's a page they should take from MMA. They should still do angles, but just let the crowds react how THEY want without interference or propaganda. But I suspect certain control freaks will never let that happen. So we're stuck with ham-fisted "good guys" that get booed and contrived "bad guys" who crowds want to cheer, and announcers trying to tell us who is right and who is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 0:02:57 GMT -5
The fans love Cena and Sheamus, and they loved face Orton and Ryback. Those are four people who WWE are obviously high on and the fans ate it up too. Somehow they still messed that up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 0:03:31 GMT -5
WWE needs to truly reevaluate again babyfaces and heels like they pretended to in 1997. I don't mean making good guys assholes, but just having characters with unique personalities and moralities and letting the crowds decide who they like, instead of pushing the manufactured narrative. That's a page they should take from MMA. They should still do angles, but just let the crowds react how THEY want without interference or propaganda. But I suspect certain control freaks will never let that happen. So we're stuck with ham-fisted "good guys" that get booed and contrived "bad guys" who crowds want to cheer, and announcers trying to tell us who is right and who is wrong. Also, it'd be nice if fan input ever remotely mattered to them. Like, you have fans chanting for a guy who's mostly not involved with anything going on in the main event scene at the moment on basically a nightly basis, but look how long they've (and I have the feeling despite scaling it back and having just the one title they're not done with this) tried and tried and tried to get people to care about Alberto as a main eventer even though you could hear an ant's footsteps on the pavement outside the building any time he's out there. |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 16, 2013 0:39:46 GMT -5
ummm crowds are not cheering for like ANY of the Superstars the WWE wants anymore. And for heels they don't like, they are either not reacting, or chanting boring. Is this a result of people getting sick of the WWE not pushing who they want to see? Have they pissed off the casual fan to the point, where only smarky ones are left? Another point is that even if you hated the main event the undercard feuds were good and mattered. If you loved Jake you were still satisfied by his face run. WWE has made it so only the main event matters and undercard feuds are so meaningless. There is so little rhyme or reason put into the build up of those two 3 on 1 matches that two big fan favorties couldn't save this ppv. |
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