wisdomwizard
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 17, 2013 19:02:32 GMT -5
If it's boring, it's only because there aren't any segments building up a reason for the matches.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 17, 2013 19:20:55 GMT -5
You know for some reason I feel it more during Raw than Impact, but man I was bored last night. 3 hours is really too much for a wrestling program.
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Post by The Tee Why on Dec 17, 2013 19:21:52 GMT -5
this is the first time since I started watching wrestling in 1997 that I'm honestly very bored with it.
I need a break but this board is fun to browse around on so I stay in touch with WWE because of it.
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Post by DMO- on Dec 17, 2013 20:41:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I'm bored, but I do find myself waiting till the next day to watch raw, smackdown, or the PPV just so I can skip the parts I don't care for. NXT is the only show I can sit through fully.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 22:49:55 GMT -5
It's a period where there's 50 minutes of worthwhile TV per show, and 2 hours 10 of skip worthy boredom.
What's worthwhile to me? The tag division & build of teams. Main event matches which further a feud. (Bryan/Orton) Short interview segments putting across why some people are feuding. (I've enjoyed the Miz/Kofi segments, Punk/HBK this Monday)
As with most WWE years in recent history we're in a time of the year where they simply don't have enough stories to make many matches matter. The Tag Titles feel like RVD's TV Title run in that "who IS the best?" is their storyline appeal, but otherwise...eh.
I mean, I like Big E, but who really gives a toss about him beating a nobody to hold a belt that's largely worthless?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:22:53 GMT -5
I'm bored but it's an angry boredom. They have all the tools in the world to bring a really sophisticated show, their production skills are top notch, they arguably have the strongest talent pool they've had, maybe not ever but definitely up there. All it takes is someone to objectively look at the shows and point out that these shows are just not entertaining. Even more than Seinfeld it's a show about nothing.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 18, 2013 2:08:47 GMT -5
Kind of yeah, mostly because I'm waiting for the Rumble to start. The other reason is that I don't even think the WWE knows where they want to go with things. They've got some huge clustersmurf of Hunter, HBK, Bryan, Punk, Cena and Orton and there are so many directions they can go with, but they don't actually know where they want to go so they keep throwing hints of like every combo of these guys to keep people interested. That's the primary reason why I'm not bored at all. Last year at this point, we all kinda had a sense that Punk/Taker and Rock/Cena II were probably in the books. I like the fact that I'm totally clueless as to how Wrestlemania XXX might look. This is actually why I'm kinda bored right now, eventho that's been my feeling about the product in general for awhile. The problem with the "I don't know what's gonna happen" is that there's nothing to to truly latch onto in a narrative sense right now. Maybe because I'm expecting a boring title match at the rumble that's either Bryan/Cena vs. Orton thus none of them get in the rumble (unless my fantasy idea works out) basically no one facing anyone at Wrestlemania makes sense. It seems like it might be just some guy vs. Bryan, Cena, or Orton and there's no build for it. Of couse they might left field it and it's works but right now it's like "meh...whatever i guess."
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 18, 2013 2:39:39 GMT -5
I'm bored but it's an angry boredom. They have all the tools in the world to bring a really sophisticated show, their production skills are top notch, they arguably have the strongest talent pool they've had, maybe not ever but definitely up there. All it takes is someone to objectively look at the shows and point out that these shows are just not entertaining. Even more than Seinfeld it's a show about nothing. You know what I think it is? This is Vince's (and Kevin Dunn) fruition of what wrestling should be. Instead of bookers we have writers. Instead of "off the cuff" we have everything scripted. Instead of wrestlers we have "sports-entertainers". It's not exactly wrestling without wrestling, but you get my point. WWE is now this huge entity that's sanitized and homogenized what most Americans think of as "wrestling" that unless you've ever seen an indie show or watch product outside of the states you don't really have any idea. This relates back to the whole selfie thing on raw, but most forms of art are about storytelling. When you have people focused on the app, or the main event, or some agenda other the match itself, why should people care? So this is why you have crowds going into business for themselves now. Ultimately there's a bond between the audience and promoter: If you suspend your disbelief, we'll give you a show. If WWE is acting like nothing matters or what your opinion is doesn't matter, why should we?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 8:52:00 GMT -5
I'm bored but it's an angry boredom. They have all the tools in the world to bring a really sophisticated show, their production skills are top notch, they arguably have the strongest talent pool they've had, maybe not ever but definitely up there. All it takes is someone to objectively look at the shows and point out that these shows are just not entertaining. Even more than Seinfeld it's a show about nothing. You know what I think it is? This is Vince's (and Kevin Dunn) fruition of what wrestling should be. Instead of bookers we have writers. Instead of "off the cuff" we have everything scripted. Instead of wrestlers we have "sports-entertainers". It's not exactly wrestling without wrestling, but you get my point. WWE is now this huge entity that's sanitized and homogenized what most Americans think of as "wrestling" that unless you've ever seen an indie show or watch product outside of the states you don't really have any idea. This relates back to the whole selfie thing on raw, but most forms of art are about storytelling. When you have people focused on the app, or the main event, or some agenda other the match itself, why should people care? So this is why you have crowds going into business for themselves now. Ultimately there's a bond between the audience and promoter: If you suspend your disbelief, we'll give you a show. If WWE is acting like nothing matters or what your opinion is doesn't matter, why should we? I think that definitely plays a part. WWE is "sort of" accepted by mainstream, I mean they're in tight with the likes of...Freddy Prinze Jr. and Snooki. I almost believe that things are the way they are as WWE's way of telling Hollywood "look at us! We're behaving! We aren't offending anyone!", where if the company has too many moving parts at once there's a chance they'll lose control of themselves and shows will start to resemble "professional wrestling", when they're more focused on pushing the WWE brand as this nondescript thing where their shows are more of a corporate portfolio more than it is an episodic TV series. But then part of me thinks it's all part of this contemptuous self fulfilling prophecy where Vince McMahon can't look at the roster for one minute without thinking to himself "do you guys realize who I used to party with?" where he once had a roster of Triple H, The Rock, Steve Austin, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley, where he was making money despite himself, and he sees his current roster as being full of guys who have failed to bring the same eyes to his product. So 80% of all programming seems dedicated to punishing them for it. How they take guys like Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Damien Sandow, and the like, pushes them for a hot minute and then says "see? This guy can't draw" and banishes them to heatless, creatively bankrupt feuds for months on end. I feel they got complacent with the Attitude era where everyone gobbled everything up and doesn't realize that it wasn't entirely a reflection of how good a job they were doing as much as it was that people were just really jonesing for professional wrestling at the time. Like they feel like because no one's jumping on their feet immediately when Dolph Ziggler or Kofi Kingston's music hits, they're the failures, that their old friends would have pulled it off. Either that or an extremely stifling fear of failure.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Dec 18, 2013 9:11:47 GMT -5
I've been on abit of a wrestling hiatus lately, since Summerslam I've only watched one Raw
Even then I nodded off during it.
I'm sorry but making the show 3 hours every week was dumb, I can only sit in front of a screen for so long before it drives me mad, I just have to go out and do things.
Anyway I've decided I will get back into the product for the new year mainly for the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania.... Rether or not I continue watching after that remains to be seen.
I might just become a seasonal watcher.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Dec 18, 2013 11:55:47 GMT -5
As soon as I hear Orton's music I get like that. 10 years of this guy To me he represents everything wrong with current WWE. Same old stale character, same old stale and boring promos and same old stale and boring matches. Same with Cena. Nothing changes...it's the same two guys I've seen for the past decade doing the same stuff I got bored with years ago. The entire show has a stale feel to it. As soon as it comes on at 8:00pm on Monday you know nothing new is going to happen on it by the time 11:00pm rolls around. This is basically why I either just watch clips and read spoilers or DVR it if I think to. There's not one damn thing going on that grabs me and makes me sit through 3 hrs of this.
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Post by elryc on Dec 18, 2013 20:29:54 GMT -5
I think my problem is they keep teasing things that would be infinitely more interesting than what they actually end up doing.
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 18, 2013 20:33:43 GMT -5
I've been bored for the last couple of months too. Since I really started watching wrestling again in late '08, this is really the most bored I've been. It's mainly just been months of mostly mediocre storylines, especially in the main event. Yeah, there's generally at least one good or great match a week, but after a while that's not enough to keep me going. I used to focus primarily on Raw while it was on. Now it's basically background noise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 20:48:27 GMT -5
I feel a lot more invested in the product than I did this time in 2011, when JoMo left and Sheamus was buggering around squashing Jinder Mahal on Smackdown over and over and Mark Henry's awesome WHC run got torpedoed so the comedy midget could ride CM Punk's coattails and R-Truth turned face and lost everything that made his character cool and unique and the big things we were supposed to be looking forward to were yet another Chris Jericho return and then a Wrestlemania buildup of Cena and Rock talking about all the gay sex they want to have with each other. I don't agree with all of it but that's a pretty damn fine run-on sentence.
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