Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 18, 2013 15:46:39 GMT -5
The problem with Miz as WWE Champion was always the fact that they had better options. It wasn't like 1995 when all the top guys were gone. They had better heels on the roster who could also work circles around Miz and felt more credible. Like others have said, putting Miz in that role went to expose every last weakness he had. He'd be in a better spot now having never been Champion. I think Miz has more value as a "failed" main eventer than he would if he were never pushed beyond that point. Like when he first won the IC Title last year, it felt like he was elevating it, and it really helped Kofi during their feud last year. I think if Miz were never a world champion, he'd be demoted all the way down to the C-Shows once the brand split ended and we ended up with main eventer over saturation. His PR ability might have gotten him noticed, but I don't think he'd be called on for those PR jobs if he were just a "midcarder". You're the only person who ever claims Miz was elevating the IC Title. When the Title stays in the exact same spot on the card and continues to be an afterthought, no elevation is happening. Miz was just one of many former main-eventers holding a midcard afterthought title.
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Psychoblue
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Post by Psychoblue on Dec 18, 2013 18:16:32 GMT -5
Miz elevated that title for sure when he had it last year because he had just gotten back from his first extended break, had a new look, and at the time a new attitude towards wrestling. We were seeing him bust out running power bombs and Argentine Racks and regularly getting 10+ minute matches on RAW, Smackdown, and especially Main Event. But just like the title could be elevated, it was soon devalued when he lost it to Kofi, who then lost it to someone I can't even remember. Seems backwards being he had taken it from a former WHC, and defended it at Summerslam against Rey Mysterio.
He's shown himself more than capable of carrying himself like a champion, both in and out of the ring, but as someone else said, as soon as he got a title, creative sought to derail him almost immediately. Imagine if his buffer feud to Cena was with Jomo or D-Bry instead of...I dunno...carry 60+year-old Jerry Lawler through a title feud that he had no place being in.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Dec 18, 2013 18:47:43 GMT -5
The problem with Miz as WWE Champion was always the fact that they had better options. It wasn't like 1995 when all the top guys were gone. They had better heels on the roster who could also work circles around Miz and felt more credible. Like others have said, putting Miz in that role went to expose every last weakness he had. He'd be in a better spot now having never been Champion. I think Miz has more value as a "failed" main eventer than he would if he were never pushed beyond that point. Like when he first won the IC Title last year, it felt like he was elevating it, and it really helped Kofi during their feud last year. Personally, him winning the IC title was a sign of how far he had fallen. I don't want to rag on Miz because really, I'm sure I along with the forum could do this for days but the IC title simply can't be elevated anymore. The only boost it can get is one that it's already gotten in being one of now three singles titles. In terms of his WWE title run, it seems I'm in the minority of thinking he had been booked excellently. Nobody felt Miz was a credible champion and if they had booked him strongly people would have rejected it even more. So they made him the luckiest champion ever. Always winning through freak accidents, pure luck and the help of his..... helper I guess in Alex Riley. He managed to squeak out wins against opponents he had no business in beating in a believable way. Sure his run fell to shit in the build-up to Mania but Miz is just one name in a list of people who Rock's presence kinda screwed over. I can understand why Miz is no longer motivated and I don't blame him. His dream was always to be the WWE Champion, he achieved that and got a smoking fiance along the way. He's no doubt paid handsomely, stars in movies and get's to appear on TV show's as a PR representative. Once you achieve your dream and then some, what do you even work towards anymore? Sure he could just form another dream but that's easier said then done and he's already achieved one of the highest honours in his chosen profession. He's pretty much hit the ceiling past being inducted in the Hall of Fame and ending Takers streak.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 18, 2013 19:43:30 GMT -5
2009-2010 Miz was an awesome Miz. He turned me from a detractor to a fan across those two years.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 18, 2013 19:45:49 GMT -5
You want to know what really killed Miz as a babyface? Having Ric Flair bestow the Figure 4 Leglock to him.
Because you passed an expectation to him in the process that nobody could have a prayer in fulfilling, especially Miz.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 18, 2013 19:52:32 GMT -5
I had forgotten he'd even won the IC title. He didn't elevate it, or do much of anything with it really.
That's not solely on him, they've left that title being less than nothing since the Attitude Era. Sad really.
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elryc
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Post by elryc on Dec 18, 2013 20:03:41 GMT -5
He's in the same boat as Ziggler and Christian and everyone else who gets hot then fades: With as much TV time as WWE has each week, they still haven't figured out how to make a guy who isn't in a top angle compelling to the crowd.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 18, 2013 20:06:21 GMT -5
The problem with Miz as WWE Champion was always the fact that they had better options. It wasn't like 1995 when all the top guys were gone. They had better heels on the roster who could also work circles around Miz and felt more credible. Like others have said, putting Miz in that role went to expose every last weakness he had. He'd be in a better spot now having never been Champion. I think Miz has more value as a "failed" main eventer than he would if he were never pushed beyond that point. Like when he first won the IC Title last year, it felt like he was elevating it, and it really helped Kofi during their feud last year. Anyone can say that about a wrestler like. But the fact is Miz, like Christian, like Kingston, like Barrett etc., didn't do jack for that belt. If he had, people would remember and care about the time when Kingston won it off him.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 18, 2013 20:44:24 GMT -5
I had a feeling this was going to be the walk from the locker room promo on MVP. It's a great one.
There really was a time when it looked like Miz was a perfect fit for the main event, then it all fell apart. I was a big fan of the guy since the In-Crowd, but a couple months into his WWE title reign, I found I kept tuning out his segments, because he'd become so formulaic and unbearable. And he's never recovered. I don't know exactly what went wrong and derailed him, but it's a shame.
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