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Post by tekkenguy on Dec 22, 2013 13:04:57 GMT -5
WWE has a lot of talented wrestlers in the midcard, but for some reason, they are being ignored and constantly pushed to the back. What is wrong with the midcard that WWE are treating it the way they are?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:07:53 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with the midcard, it's the creative team that sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:20:44 GMT -5
They're too bloated in the upper-midcard right now, and the tag division is getting a ton of focus (not a bad thing), so actual midcarders like Ziggler are complete after thoughts. The WHC is gone, and to me that was a big reason why that upper-midcard was so large, so hopefully things start shaking out over the next year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:23:12 GMT -5
They don't have one?
There's main eventers, every else who's just below being a main eventer, and guys who lose to everyone. It needs to be better divided.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:26:33 GMT -5
No storylines. They're just guys having matches, and losing to the main eventers.
I don't think Ambrose has had a US title storyline the entire time he's held it. Ditto for when Axel held it.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 22, 2013 13:44:34 GMT -5
Brodus Clay is in a midcard feud and storyline.
The Wyatts are midcard and working with Bryan.
The entire tag division is basically midcard and has things going on -- Real Americans, etc.
Fandago is in a midcard push. Big E is in a bigger midcard push.
Sandow and Henry, both midcarders, are having their Santa match.
All that might not be what you want in the midcard, but to say there is no midcard is baffling to me. These seem to me to be the things people say aren't happening. It's almost like some people define midcard as "being off the show" and then complain that there's no midcard on the show.
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Post by Spearmint* on Dec 22, 2013 13:44:43 GMT -5
I hope with the WHC title it will get better and more meaningful now.
The WHC was a strange title, in its later years everyone knew it didn't really mean as much as the WWE title but also it wasn't as low as the IC belt so it sucked upper mid-carders in to it, but upper mid-carders that at the then stages of their career had no business holding a main event title (Swagger, Del Rio etc).
Hopefully with the title retired, we'll get more of a clear progression between mid-card and main event. And hopefully more storylines for the mid-card titles, as thats what really needs to happen. For it to mean something to win one of those titles.
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 22, 2013 14:02:47 GMT -5
No mic time. Same matches every week.
Nobody gets over. Even-steven booking. That's the midcard.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 22, 2013 14:15:18 GMT -5
Brodus Clay is in a midcard feud and storyline. The Wyatts are midcard and working with Bryan. The entire tag division is basically midcard and has things going on -- Real Americans, etc. Fandago is in a midcard push. Big E is in a bigger midcard push. Sandow and Henry, both midcarders, are having their Santa match. All that might not be what you want in the midcard, but to say there is no midcard is baffling to me. These seem to me to be the things people say aren't happening. It's almost like some people define midcard as "being off the show" and then complain that there's no midcard on the show. People seem to forget that "upper midcard" is still "midcard."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 14:30:31 GMT -5
What's wrong with the midcard is that they seem to be following WCW's old mantra of "only the main event matters, so f*** giving the midcard any storylines"
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 22, 2013 14:32:39 GMT -5
No mic time. Same matches every week. Nobody gets over. Even-steven booking. That's the midcard. THAT'S hard times, daddy!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 22, 2013 14:37:39 GMT -5
Brodus Clay is in a midcard feud and storyline. The Wyatts are midcard and working with Bryan. The entire tag division is basically midcard and has things going on -- Real Americans, etc. Fandago is in a midcard push. Big E is in a bigger midcard push. Sandow and Henry, both midcarders, are having their Santa match. All that might not be what you want in the midcard, but to say there is no midcard is baffling to me. These seem to me to be the things people say aren't happening. It's almost like some people define midcard as "being off the show" and then complain that there's no midcard on the show. People seem to forget that "upper midcard" is still "midcard." Big E has a BELT, but he isn't getting any storylines. Fandango hasn't had a real feud since his debut against Jericho. The Wyatts are working with Bryan. WWE is intent on making the Wyatts a "big deal fairly quick" and they steam roll any actual midcarders. Presentation-wise, the likes of Henry, Ziggler, Ryback, Miz, Rey, etc. are more along the lines of "low level main eventers" than true midcarders. There aren't a lot of good storylines or good booking between the guys that WWE doesn't try to half heartedly pretend are "top guys".
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 22, 2013 15:09:29 GMT -5
Brodus Clay is in a midcard feud and storyline. The Wyatts are midcard and working with Bryan. The entire tag division is basically midcard and has things going on -- Real Americans, etc. Fandago is in a midcard push. Big E is in a bigger midcard push. Sandow and Henry, both midcarders, are having their Santa match. All that might not be what you want in the midcard, but to say there is no midcard is baffling to me. These seem to me to be the things people say aren't happening. It's almost like some people define midcard as "being off the show" and then complain that there's no midcard on the show. Most of those are good points, but they tie into a similar issue to it that isn't mentioned when people complain there's no midcard: The show's too topheavy because the title belts don't really matter. The fact that two of your examples [Swagger of the Real Americans and Mark Henry] are former World Champions signifies it: In the eyes of the fans- once you've held a World Title, you're basically considered "no longer a midcarder"- and if they are, that's a problem more on the wrestler for blowing what should have been their career-defining moment more than the creative team that depushed them. However, between two titles and both titles being passed around too much, there's too many former World Champions in the WWE [and thus, too many people who may be "in" the midcard, but don't "SEEM" like midcarders to the fans who respect the title.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 22, 2013 15:11:34 GMT -5
Presentation-wise, the likes of Henry, Ziggler, Ryback, Miz, Rey, etc. are more along the lines of "low level main eventers" than true midcarders. "Low Level main eventers" is the same thing as "Upper Midcard" which is part of the midcard, and those guys are part of that. None of them can be inserted into the main event scene for more than a few months at this point.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 22, 2013 15:19:46 GMT -5
There aren't any stories or angles involving many of them. The closest thing is the Brodus/Xavier feud. But aside from that one backstage segment and Xavier on commentary, it just flounders on like the in ring action is supposed to take care of the rest. We need more stuff onscreen like that segment. Give the midcard and lowercard more angles, and it won't matter who's a jobber anymore because they can help put the crowds on their side. There's nothing wrong with the midcard, it's the creative team that sucks. Its not Creative. It's Vince's ADD and Kevin Dunn shooting down any ideas they can come up with.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 22, 2013 20:30:34 GMT -5
Cause everyone is either a main-eventer or in a tag team these days.
The only midcarders they have now are Kofi, Miz, Ziggler, Sandow, Langston, Henry, Ambrose, Rey, Bray, Khali, Fandango, Brodus, and Tensai. And even then, some of them are dripping into tag teams.
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Post by Crimson on Dec 22, 2013 21:38:56 GMT -5
No mic time, no story lines, the same two people will feud for months on end.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 22, 2013 21:44:10 GMT -5
The one thing I don't like about the midcard is that once one of them wins a title, they suddenly become "too good" for the rest of the midcarders and start being used as tools to keep the main eventers, that aren't in the world title picture, busy.
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Post by kamero00 on Dec 22, 2013 22:12:49 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with the midcard, it's the creative team that sucks. This. Whoever was doing creative in the 90's got a lot more, out of a A LOT less.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Dec 22, 2013 23:31:44 GMT -5
The one thing I don't like about the midcard is that once one of them wins a title, they suddenly become "too good" for the rest of the midcarders and start being used as tools to keep the main eventers, that aren't in the world title picture, busy. Yeah I know. Like when Punk was feuding with Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel, Punk never ONCE challenged Axel for his IC title. I know his main goal was to get at Paul Heyman but wouldn't taking the IC title from Heyman's camp be a good way to stick it to him? I mean Punk didn't even care that Axel had that belt and if he doesn't care about it then why should the audience? Axel's reign was terrible and all that hype with him being 'The new Paul Heyman guy' and going against HHH and Cena was just a waste of time.
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