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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 23, 2013 1:01:32 GMT -5
The one thing I don't like about the midcard is that once one of them wins a title, they suddenly become "too good" for the rest of the midcarders and start being used as tools to keep the main eventers, that aren't in the world title picture, busy. Yeah I know. Like when Punk was feuding with Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel, Punk never ONCE challenged Axel for his IC title. I know his main goal was to get at Paul Heyman but wouldn't taking the IC title from Heyman's camp be a good way to stick it to him? I mean Punk didn't even care that Axel had that belt and if he doesn't care about it then why should the audience? Axel's reign was terrible and all that hype with him being 'The new Paul Heyman guy' and going against HHH and Cena was just a waste of time. Bingo. The go to example for me is when Disfigured Cody Rhodes was the IC champ, and feuded with Randy Orton for months on end, and Randy never even acknowledged the white thing on Cody's shoulder. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 23, 2013 1:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah I know. Like when Punk was feuding with Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel, Punk never ONCE challenged Axel for his IC title. I know his main goal was to get at Paul Heyman but wouldn't taking the IC title from Heyman's camp be a good way to stick it to him? I mean Punk didn't even care that Axel had that belt and if he doesn't care about it then why should the audience? Axel's reign was terrible and all that hype with him being 'The new Paul Heyman guy' and going against HHH and Cena was just a waste of time. Bingo. The go to example for me is when Disfigured Cody Rhodes was the IC champ, and feuded with Randy Orton for months on end, and Randy never even acknowledged the white thing on Cody's shoulder. These are points that I totally agree on. People often bitch that they'd prefer less titles, when that's not the case at all. In fact, the WWE could introduce more "mid-level titles" and it would be fine, if: the champs are booked properly against guys that are their "level," and not spending a ton of time on their backs losing to main eventers. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2013 1:20:17 GMT -5
Bingo. The go to example for me is when Disfigured Cody Rhodes was the IC champ, and feuded with Randy Orton for months on end, and Randy never even acknowledged the white thing on Cody's shoulder. These are points that I totally agree on. People often bitch that they'd prefer less titles, when that's not the case at all. In fact, the WWE could introduce more "mid-level titles" and it would be fine, if: the champs are booked properly against guys that are their "level," and not spending a ton of time on their backs losing to main eventers. Part of me worries that we'll see MORE of this with the World Heavyweight Title gone. Without that extra crutch to keep guys like Sheamus and Del Rio looking like top stars, they might job the midcard champs even more to remind us that these guys are "above" midcard. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 3:31:15 GMT -5
The midcard is where dreams go to die.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 3:33:34 GMT -5
There's main eventers, every else who's just below being a main eventer So... an upper midcarder? |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2013 3:38:59 GMT -5
There's main eventers, every else who's just below being a main eventer So... an upper midcarder? You could say that, but most of these guys feel more like main eventers than part of the midcard. Mostly because they're either former champs or worked in high profile angles at one point. The only midcard former champions that are actually treated like midcarders are Swagger and Khali. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 3:47:04 GMT -5
So... an upper midcarder? You could say that, but most of these guys feel more like main eventers than part of the midcard. Mostly because they're either former champs or worked in high profile angles at one point. The only midcard former champions that are actually treated like midcarders are Swagger and Khali. That's what an upper midcarder is. Someone that "feels like a main eventer" or seems like they could main event in the future, but isn't currently main eventing. It's a temporary status. Daniel Bryan is currently in the upper midcard. He'll probably main event again sooner rather than later, but for now he is not a main eventer. It isn't a matter of how good a wrestler you are in kayfabe. That's something else entirely. Somewhere along the way that got distorted and we started calling people midcard, upper midcard, main event based on who would beat who if they were booked against each other. Quite simply, if you aren't main eventing, you aren't a main eventer. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2013 3:49:54 GMT -5
You could say that, but most of these guys feel more like main eventers than part of the midcard. Mostly because they're either former champs or worked in high profile angles at one point. The only midcard former champions that are actually treated like midcarders are Swagger and Khali. That's what an upper midcarder is. Someone that "feels like a main eventer" or seems like they could main event in the future, but isn't currently main eventing. It's a temporary status. Daniel Bryan is currently in the upper midcard. He'll probably main event again sooner rather than later, but for now he is not a main eventer It isn't a matter of how good a wrestler you are in kayfabe. That's something else entirely. Somewhere along the way that got distorted and we started calling people midcard, upper midcard, main event based on who would beat who if they were booked against each other. Quite simply, if you aren't main eventing, you aren't a main eventer. Right now it just seems like there are way too many of those guys and not enough real midcarders getting featured. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 3:53:13 GMT -5
That's what an upper midcarder is. Someone that "feels like a main eventer" or seems like they could main event in the future, but isn't currently main eventing. It's a temporary status. Daniel Bryan is currently in the upper midcard. He'll probably main event again sooner rather than later, but for now he is not a main eventer Right now it just seems like there are way too many of those guys and not enough real midcarders getting featured. There are. I think it's a carry over from having 2 world titles. It led to WWE overprotecting this backup reserve of 10+ people a year back or so like Orton, Sheamus, Big Show etc so they could have someone prepped if needed. They have been doing that for quite a few years now. That'll probably go away but it'll take a while. If nothing else, there's 1 more non title feud available for PPV now, because the WHC is gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 4:08:04 GMT -5
Upper midcarder is a term that shouldn't exist, is what I'm saying.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Dec 23, 2013 4:09:10 GMT -5
Dudes trading wins and never talking. I wish we had more stuff like the Primetime Players interrupting John Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 4:09:42 GMT -5
Upper midcarder is a term that shouldn't exist, is what I'm saying. Years back people just called them "upper carders" which made more sense. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2013 4:14:34 GMT -5
Upper midcarder is a term that shouldn't exist, is what I'm saying. I wouldn't say it shouldn't exist. But to me, upper midcard should ideally be exactly that. The top guys in the midcard. Guys like Cody, Big E, Shield guys individually, Fandango, Sandow, etc. Not the former champs who have nothing better to do. |
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