Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 31, 2013 7:52:10 GMT -5
I'm sure somebody with photoshop skills can change the background And to remain balanced
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 31, 2013 7:54:50 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaaand done. See you after WM.
Seriously, I'm not even contemplating watching WWE (apart from NXT) until after WM. That's how badly they've f***ed up
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Dec 31, 2013 8:01:11 GMT -5
The ones I can agree with are, Jericho and Michaels feud, Mark Henry's heel turn, Daniel Bryan being the weak link, and Big Show vs. Sheamus. 4/10.
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Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 31, 2013 8:35:57 GMT -5
All the over-reaction. I can't believe some of you.
Here's my take - although coming at it from different points, Bryan and Wyatt want the same thing, to bring down "the machine", which in Bryan's case is The Authority, Wyatt probably something greater than that. Bryan probably realised that the best way to get at The Authority after they've kept holding him down is to utilise the Wyatt Family. Sure he knows that they'll abuse him early on, but he will use them to get what he wants, and not have Trips and Steph hold him down any longer. Besides, he knows he can beat Harper and Rowan, at the right time, he'll catch Wyatt unawares and beat him too. Wyatt's not been beaten in the WWE (not NXT) if I'm not mistaken, so Bryan getting the big win over him would be a huge deal.
Though there's also the matter of John Cena. As we know, Cena vs. Wyatt is rumoured for WrestleMania, and it could be that Cena is going after Wyatt to try and bring Bryan back to "the good side", which does make me worry that Bryan won't have a match at WrestleMania. Either that, or they got the Hogan deal signed, and Bryan gets away from the Wyatt Family in time for him to face Wyatt at Mania.
To quote Brandon Stroud, "learn to love the journey". WWE are never good on endings, but neither are many big TV shows these days.
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Post by PTBartman on Dec 31, 2013 8:39:39 GMT -5
So anyone want to have the balls to say that Bryan is still winning the title at Wrestlemania XXX? I'll bite. I know it's a big "What if," but what if... (let me state that I've only read up to this point, so if someone said this, my apologies for the redundancy) If, as we seem to agree, it would be stupid to turn DB heel; then giving them the benefit of the doubt the only remaining option would be to turn The Wyats Face. Bryant said that they were right, "The Machine" would never let him succeed. What if Bray's reason for recruiting DB was to take on the Machine. Even when the Wyats were with The Authority, it was tenuous at best. DB with the Wyatts help wins the Rumble. The Wyats run interference with the Sheild, there's been tension there before, and now with the friction between them is a Sheild member recruited for The Family? 1Don't forget there's still unfinished bidness between Kane and the Wyatts (and that's good for bidness). Remember that at the beginning of this angle, every body was crying for someone to step up and help Bryan. Well, be careful what you ask for, it just might be the Wyatts. I think I just talked myself into looking forward to this angle.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 31, 2013 8:43:28 GMT -5
So anyone want to have the balls to say that Bryan is still winning the title at Wrestlemania XXX? I'll bite. I know it's a big "What if," but what if... (let me state that I've only read up to this point, so if someone said this, my apologies for the redundancy) If, as we seem to agree, it would be stupid to turn DB heel; then giving them the benefit of the doubt the only remaining option would be to turn The Wyats Face. Bryant said that they were right, "The Machine" would never let him succeed. What if Bray's reason for recruiting DB was to take on the Machine. Even when the Wyats were with The Authority, it was tenuous at best. DB with the Wyatts help wins the Rumble. The Wyats run interference with the Sheild, there's been tension there before, and now with the friction between them is a Sheild member recruited for The Family? 1Don't forget there's still unfinished bidness between Kane and the Wyatts (and that's good for bidness). Remember that at the beginning of this angle, every body was crying for someone to step up and help Bryan. Well, be careful what you ask for, it just might be the Wyatts. I think I just talked myself into looking forward to this angle. It's hard for me to imagine the Wyatt Family in their current incarnation as faces. I think the Wyatts should be far away from the Authority angle. I've already stated that I hate the idea of them being a "big deal fairly quick", but at the same time, I think it kind of waters down the gimmick to have them be second fiddle to anyone, whether it be Bryan or the Authority. It kind of makes Bray Wyatt redundant. I do want someone to help Bryan, but I think Bryan's allies should be guys who won't be hurt too badly by taking obviously secondary roles.
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Post by rowdy426 on Dec 31, 2013 8:58:46 GMT -5
Welcome to the new kayfabe, ladies and gentlemen. Where they tug at the heart strings of the genuine fan and simultaneously elicit an equally emotional response from the die-hard smart fans. And look who's running the show now: Triple H. I don't think it's a secret that the Clique hates smart marks; If HHH is getting word of some of the Net's response, he's loving it.
It was said earlier: no one knows where this is going; if we knew, we could rip it for being stale. But they threw a curve ball and we can't call them stale, so it bothers us. Well not me, but there's a definite group that it does bother.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2013 9:02:48 GMT -5
Welcome to the new kayfabe, ladies and gentlemen. Where they tug at the heart strings of the genuine fan and simultaneously elicit an equally emotional response from the die-hard smart fans. And look who's running the show now: Triple H. I don't think it's a secret that the Clique hates smart marks; If HHH is getting word of some of the Net's response, he's loving it. It was said earlier: no one knows where this is going; if we knew, we could rip it for being stale. But they threw a curve ball and we can't call them stale, so it bothers us. Well not me, but there's a definite group that it does bother. The trick now is to get that emotional reaction to turn into "I must watch the TV shows and buy the PPVs to see how this story turns out", instead of "F*** you WWE, stop burying my guy".
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Dec 31, 2013 9:22:06 GMT -5
LOL
I only read the beginning and the end of this thread and LOL. I can only fathom what is in between.
"f*** it I'm done with this company (again)!" "I can't believe they are burying Bryan (at least he's not submitting to leg kicks from The Miz)!" "Triple H is jealous of Bryan's popularity!"
etc etc
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shaker
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Post by shaker on Dec 31, 2013 9:23:59 GMT -5
For everyone saying D-Bry is ruined or turning heel, let me spell out a few facts for you:
WWE trusted D-Bry to main event the final Raw of 2013. There was no Orton or Cena in sight.
The storyline is literally "I was the best superstar of 2013 but can't beat the machine."
D-Bry is currently freed up for the Royal Rumble.
Put the pieces together, they spell disaster for the Authority. All without Bryan turning or being ruined or anything like this. He's basically undercover right now.
Also I would love to see these kind of reactions to other forms of media. "Holy crap Superman just knocked out Batman? F this I'm done, they ruined him."
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ZERO
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Post by ZERO on Dec 31, 2013 9:24:15 GMT -5
Nah. it's likely to be just another thing that fell into WWE's lap that they failed to capitalise on and get right.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 31, 2013 9:30:54 GMT -5
WWE trusted D-Bry to main event the final Raw of 2013. There was no Orton or Cena in sight. That's because those guys were working a house show. Actually, putting Bryan in the main event when Cena and Orton ARE present would be a bigger indicator of their faith in him.
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shaker
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Post by shaker on Dec 31, 2013 9:34:55 GMT -5
WWE trusted D-Bry to main event the final Raw of 2013. There was no Orton or Cena in sight. That's because those guys were working a house show. Actually, putting Bryan in the main event when Cena and Orton ARE present would be a bigger indicator of their faith in him. I realize that - but what do you think WWE values more in the long run; a house show or Raw? They had the option to put anyone they wanted on those shows. Hell, they could have done Orton vs Bryan at the house show and had Cena main event Raw. But they didn't. TV time is more valuable than the house shows, and it's pretty telling to me that they trusted D-Bry to "take the place" of what's usually considered the top 2 guys in WWE.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2013 9:37:39 GMT -5
WWE trusted D-Bry to main event the final Raw of 2013. There was no Orton or Cena in sight. That's because those guys were working a house show. Actually, putting Bryan in the main event when Cena and Orton ARE present would be a bigger indicator of their faith in him. Which they did for the last RAW in England, where Orton fought The Rhodes Brothers to open the show, Cena fought The Real Americans at the top of hour 2 and Bryan main evented with Punk against The Shield. Also the RAW the week after, with the big 12 man tag. Not the best examples, but technically correct (the best kind of correct).
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Dec 31, 2013 9:40:34 GMT -5
I'll bite. I know it's a big "What if," but what if... (let me state that I've only read up to this point, so if someone said this, my apologies for the redundancy) If, as we seem to agree, it would be stupid to turn DB heel; then giving them the benefit of the doubt the only remaining option would be to turn The Wyats Face. Bryant said that they were right, "The Machine" would never let him succeed. What if Bray's reason for recruiting DB was to take on the Machine. Even when the Wyats were with The Authority, it was tenuous at best. DB with the Wyatts help wins the Rumble. The Wyats run interference with the Sheild, there's been tension there before, and now with the friction between them is a Sheild member recruited for The Family? 1Don't forget there's still unfinished bidness between Kane and the Wyatts (and that's good for bidness). Remember that at the beginning of this angle, every body was crying for someone to step up and help Bryan. Well, be careful what you ask for, it just might be the Wyatts. I think I just talked myself into looking forward to this angle. It's hard for me to imagine the Wyatt Family in their current incarnation as faces. I think the Wyatts should be far away from the Authority angle. I've already stated that I hate the idea of them being a "big deal fairly quick", but at the same time, I think it kind of waters down the gimmick to have them be second fiddle to anyone, whether it be Bryan or the Authority. It kind of makes Bray Wyatt redundant. I do want someone to help Bryan, but I think Bryan's allies should be guys who won't be hurt too badly by taking obviously secondary roles. OK so you don't want the Wyatts to be a big deal just yet but you also don't want Bray to play a secondary role to Bryan? You can't have both.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 31, 2013 9:41:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't Bryan beating Orton at WM essentially be a hollow victory? It's hardly the culmination of the story as he's already beaten Orton and held the belt twice, more importantly there's nothing to stop the authority screwing him out of the title yet again, there's no point winning the gold if he loses it the next night or even straight after the match (WM9 finish with a returning Hogan?). As he said simply winning matches isn't enough to beat the machine.
Assuming they want him to have a big hero moment at WM that leaves: a) Bryan beating HHH to end The Authority angle b) Bryan beating HHH and/or HBK purely to get revenge c) Breaking free of The Wyatt Family and handing Bray his first loss d) Something that doesn't tie in with current booking or the past few months worth of storylines
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4real
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Post by 4real on Dec 31, 2013 9:44:15 GMT -5
I'm really intrigued to see where WWE is going with this. OK it's probably obvious Bryan is playing The Wyatt's here but who knows. The tag title match on Smackdown this week should give us some indication. As much as some people won't believe it but WWE sees money in Daniel Bryan I'm sure they are not that stupid.
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 31, 2013 9:45:24 GMT -5
That's because those guys were working a house show. Actually, putting Bryan in the main event when Cena and Orton ARE present would be a bigger indicator of their faith in him. I realize that - but what do you think WWE values more in the long run; a house show or Raw? They had the option to put anyone they wanted on those shows. Hell, they could have done Orton vs Bryan at the house show and had Cena main event Raw. But they didn't. TV time is more valuable than the house shows, and it's pretty telling to me that they trusted D-Bry to "take the place" of what's usually considered the top 2 guys in WWE. Methinks you underestimate how scheduled and planned ahead of time house shows are. It was not WWE deciding at the last second "f*** it, send Orton and Cena to Toronto for a house show, we want this night to be about Bryan".
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 31, 2013 9:50:57 GMT -5
It's hard for me to imagine the Wyatt Family in their current incarnation as faces. I think the Wyatts should be far away from the Authority angle. I've already stated that I hate the idea of them being a "big deal fairly quick", but at the same time, I think it kind of waters down the gimmick to have them be second fiddle to anyone, whether it be Bryan or the Authority. It kind of makes Bray Wyatt redundant. I do want someone to help Bryan, but I think Bryan's allies should be guys who won't be hurt too badly by taking obviously secondary roles. OK so you don't want the Wyatts to be a big deal just yet but you also don't want Bray to play a secondary role to Bryan? You can't have both. The Shield work as hired guns because they're presented as three equals. But the Wyatt Family is clearly Bray Wyatt and his two henchmen. Putting him in a big storyline as someone else's hired muscle inversely marginalizes his "cult leader" persona. But taking the stable away from the big time drama and putting them in the midcard would allow Bray to continue looking like a "leader". Even if he's in a higher profile storyline, having to take marching orders from anyone makes him no different from his two lackeys. I like the Wyatts and want them to be future stars. Emphasis on FUTURE. I just think the Wyatts should be feuding with other, lesser talents and that Bryan should not be slumming it with them.
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shaker
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Post by shaker on Dec 31, 2013 9:51:34 GMT -5
I realize that - but what do you think WWE values more in the long run; a house show or Raw? They had the option to put anyone they wanted on those shows. Hell, they could have done Orton vs Bryan at the house show and had Cena main event Raw. But they didn't. TV time is more valuable than the house shows, and it's pretty telling to me that they trusted D-Bry to "take the place" of what's usually considered the top 2 guys in WWE. Methinks you underestimate how scheduled and planned ahead of time house shows are. It was not WWE deciding at the last second "f*** it, send Orton and Cena to Toronto for a house show, we want this night to be about Bryan". I think you're just backing up my point. Yep, I understand these are booked way in advance. So months ago, WWE decided "We know Daniel Bryan is going to be our guy, we know he can be the anchor for Raw for a week."
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