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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 2, 2014 18:30:49 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lszDEBi76oA truly amazing promo and reaction. I have always liked Christian and love all the different parts of his career (TNA/ECW/WHC etc) but he had so much f***ing momentum during 2005 it was unreal. I just don't understand why they didn't have a Christian vs Cena match at Vengeance. I could maybe let them off for Summerslam Cena vs Jericho, but the fact that they felt like they needed to add Jericho is something I will never understand (and this is coming from just as big of a Jericho mark as I am with Christian, see username). They should have put the belt on him but even if they didn't at least he would have got at least one singles match for the WWE Championship (that he undoubtedly deserves) in his career. Seriously was Vince too busy reading the Muscle and Fitness magazine that month to hear that kind of reaction and that promo. It's not like Jericho would have had nothing to do at Vengeance either as he was interacting with Shelton Benjamin throughout spring and summer (post Mania) in matches both tagging and against eachother, furthermore they had a couple of phenomenal PPV matches together, some I would easily say are underrated modern classics. Carlito of course was drafted over to Raw and subsequently won the title of Benjamin at Vengeance, but they could have easily done Carlito vs Benjamin vs Jericho. Leaving the Vengenace 2005 card as: HIAC WHC
Batista vs HHH
WWE Championship
Cena vs Christian
Intercontinental Championship
Carlito vs Benjamin vs Jericho
(Benjamin would still take the pin from Carlito as Jericho would move onto Christian at Summerslam)
Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle
Edge vs Kane
Victoria vs Christy Hemme
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Post by JTG Fan on Jan 2, 2014 18:31:28 GMT -5
He cut a great promo at Backlash 2005 as well. He was ready, brother.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 2, 2014 20:11:14 GMT -5
It's because he was a b+ talent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 20:14:49 GMT -5
I think some onus had to be put on Christian, as you never really know what was in store for him since he left the company almost at his peak. But at the same time seeing as the Cena train's wheels really started to roll at that time it's really hard to believe that WWE had the energy to focus on Cena and still somehow slip Christian into the main event picture as well.
Not that it matters in the end anyways because it lead Christian to do the best work of his career in TNA. But it is hard to look at those old segments of Christian and not find it somewhat confounding that WWE didn't try harder with him. Only on the best of days do you hear pops like that anymore.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 2, 2014 20:20:04 GMT -5
Is this the promo that one writer was talking about that inspired Vince's blue dot?
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 2, 2014 20:21:00 GMT -5
God Christian had a better 2005 than Edge.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2014 20:23:58 GMT -5
I'm gonna guess that WWE felt that Christian would have never been a believable threat to Cena by himself and threw Jericho in the mix so that at least handful of people might believe in a title change since Cena was now facing two heels, not one.
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Post by Bootista on Jan 2, 2014 20:33:04 GMT -5
God Christian had a better 2005 than Edge. I wouldn't say that. Edge was starting to become a Main Event Player and he had Lita. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 2, 2014 20:36:01 GMT -5
God Christian had a better 2005 than Edge. I wouldn't say that. Edge was starting to become a Main Event Player and he had Lita. I'd say late 2005 he was better, but no doubt who was better early 2005. |
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Post by mizerable on Jan 2, 2014 21:23:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that. Edge was starting to become a Main Event Player and he had Lita. I'd say late 2005 he was better, but no doubt who was better early 2005. I'd still give Christian a major edge (no pun intended) considering how terrible Edge's 2004 was...it really bled into 2005, and I wasn't even sold on him as MITB until he scored Lita, and became a complete sleaze glutton. It almost breaks even since Christian left for TNA (where he IMO proved he was a capable champion), but in regards to WWE...I'd still say that Christian was getting far better reactions and cutting better promos than Garb-Edge was.  But yeah, Edge kicked ass in 2006. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 3, 2014 18:23:51 GMT -5
I'm actually a pretty big fan of Christian, but I don't know why you'd point to this promo - it's textbook cheap heat. Definitely should have been given a chance to serve as a solo Cena foil, though.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 3, 2014 18:27:55 GMT -5
God Christian had a better 2005 than Edge. Christian has always and will always be better than Edge, he just never had his push. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 3, 2014 18:29:32 GMT -5
I seem to be the only person that never saw Christian as a main event guy in 2005
Him vs Cena to me would have been a complete joke and a big disappointment for Cena's first feud after moving on from JBL
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Post by mizerable on Jan 3, 2014 18:33:16 GMT -5
I seem to be the only person that never saw Christian as a main event guy in 2005 Him vs Cena to me would have been a complete joke and a big disappointment for Cena's first feud after moving on from JBL Funny you mention JBL, because a lot of people were of that frame of mind when he first feuded with Eddie. To be honest, it would have been better to pit Cena against guys like Christian for a while before moving on to a Jerichos or an Angle or a Triple H, you know...guys who are very established. He was "too legit" too soon. After he beat 3 of the biggest stars on the roster at that point, he didn't have anyone else on his level, hence the joke that "Cena wins". Well no shit. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 3, 2014 18:35:15 GMT -5
I seem to be the only person that never saw Christian as a main event guy in 2005 Him vs Cena to me would have been a complete joke and a big disappointment for Cena's first feud after moving on from JBL Funny you mention JBL, because a lot of people were of that frame of mind when he first feuded with Eddie. To be honest, it would have been better to pit Cena against guys like Christian for a while before moving on to a Jerichos or an Angle or a Triple H, you know...guys who are very established. He was "too legit" too soon. After he beat 3 of the biggest stars on the roster at that point, he didn't have anyone else on his level, hence the joke that "Cena wins". Well no shit. I mean the WWE Title at that point until Cena won it was pretty much "Guy who randomly gets put in the main event wins the title" with Eddie beating Lesnar and then JBL beating Eddie. Difference here is that was SmackDown and this was Raw. I'd expect a lot better than Christian challenging for the title considering it was Raw. |
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 3, 2014 18:41:51 GMT -5
Funny you mention JBL, because a lot of people were of that frame of mind when he first feuded with Eddie. To be honest, it would have been better to pit Cena against guys like Christian for a while before moving on to a Jerichos or an Angle or a Triple H, you know...guys who are very established. He was "too legit" too soon. After he beat 3 of the biggest stars on the roster at that point, he didn't have anyone else on his level, hence the joke that "Cena wins". Well no shit. I mean the WWE Title at that point until Cena won it was pretty much "Guy who randomly gets put in the main event wins the title" with Eddie beating Lesnar and then JBL beating Eddie. Difference here is that was SmackDown and this was Raw. I'd expect a lot better than Christian challenging for the title considering it was Raw. But the thing to consider at Vengeance 2005 was the WHC was still on Raw as well, and HHH/Batista were having their blowoff HIAC at the event either way. And whichever way you cut it the HIAC would have gone on last, no matter who Cena would have been against on his first Raw defense. That puts a lot less pressure on buyrates because HIAC at the time was a money gimmick only used for big time feuds, Cena/Christian would have atleast had one PPV singles match together after months of build (literally from 6 months before at Royal Rumble 2005 the whole feud started) and it would have made for still a great card (IMO/see original post). |
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jan 4, 2014 9:14:20 GMT -5
I think some onus had to be put on Christian, as you never really know what was in store for him since he left the company almost at his peak. |
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Post by Mc Mc Mannequin on Jan 4, 2014 9:53:19 GMT -5
Heel Christian has never failed to be entertaining to me.
But as a face I always found him kinda bland. Suppose you could say that for a few people though.
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