Tiger Mask vs Dynamite Kid in MSG (1982)

[blackmegaman]

Looking at this I can only imagine how the audience in the early 80s could even make what was going on...really ahead of it's time.

[nisidhe]

Would anyone have the PWI Ring Reports on this card? I wonder if this was the curtain-jerker.

[Society of the Spectacle]

Jan 3, 2014 11:06:50 GMT -5 blackmegaman said:

Looking at this I can only imagine how the audience in the early 80s could even make what was going on...really ahead of it's time.

I was just watching their various battles in Japan. Obviously this is much shorter than their other bouts, but you're right, even in this abbreviated match, you can see how ahead of their time these two were. Thanks for the great find.

[BlackoutCreature]

Jan 3, 2014 13:30:04 GMT -5 nisidhe said:

Would anyone have the PWI Ring Reports on this card? I wonder if this was the curtain-jerker.

Here's the card according to thehistoryofwwe.com -

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - August 30, 1982 (19,908)
Televised on the MSG and USA networks - included Vince McMahon on commentary
Tony Garea pinned Charlie Fulton at 6:39 with a crossbody off the top
Killer Khan pinned Steve Travis at 5:31 with a kneedrop from the middle turnbuckle
Bob Orton Jr. defeated Pat Patterson via count-out at 9:28 after crotching Patterson on the top, causing him to fall to the floor
WWF Jr. Heavyweight Champion Tiger Mask pinned the Dynamite Kid at 6:34 with a suplex and moonsault after the challenger failed a diving headbutt (Tiger Mask and Dynamite's MSG debut)
WWF IC Champion Pedro Morales fought Jimmy Snuka to a double disqualification at 17:55 after both men refused to break choke holds, with Snuka also hitting a headbutt on guest referee Ivan Putski; prior to the bout, Capt. Lou Albano escorted Snuka to the ring
Tiger Jackson & Little Beaver defeated Sky Low Low & Sonny Boy (w/ Thomas Charles Cassidy) in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match, 2-0; fall #1: Jackson pinned Sonny Boy at 4:46 wit a forearm to the chest; fall #2: Beaver pinned Sky Low Low at 1:17 with a gorilla press slam
Tatsumi Fujinami pinned WWF International Champion Gino Brito with a suplex at 11:34 to win the title; prior to the bout, WWF President Hisashi Shinma was introduced to the crowd
Salvatore Bellomo pinned Swede Hanson at 3:26 with a roll up after Hanson hit the corner; prior to the bout, Freddie Blassie escorted Hanson to the ring
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Buddy Rose via submission with the Crossface Chicken Wing at 20:24 after reversing an attempt at a back suplex; prior to the bout, Backlund was escorted to the ring by Arnold Skaaland while Rose was escorted to the ring by the Grand Wizard, Sherri Martel, & ? (Legends of Wrestling: Hulk Hogan and Bob Backlund)
Women's Champion the Fabulous Moolah defeated Penny Mitchell at 4:49 after the challenger missed a crossbody from the middle turnbuckle
Andre the Giant, Chief Jay & Jules Strongbow defeated Blackjack Mulligan, WWF Tag Team Champions Mr. Fuji & Mr. Saito in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match, 2-1; fall #1: Fuji pinned Jay at 8:16 with a karate chop to the throat; fall #2: Jay pinned Fuji at 3:26 with a forearm blow; fall #3: Jules pinned Saito at 2:21 after releasing a sleeper hold; after the bout, Andre applied a claw on Mulligan for several minutes while wearing a black glove similar to Mulligan's

As you can see, not the curtain jerker.

[toodarkmark]

There is something very Rey Mysterio Jr v. Chris Benoit about this.

Imagine McMahon had fallen in love with this instead of Beefcake bodies? I can only imagine.

[Chuckie Finster]

Besides of-course Tiger Mask/Dynamite, Rose/Backlund and maybe Fujinami/Brito, the rest card looks like utter ass.

[Deleted]

I'd hardly think an I-C title match between Pedro Morales and a heel Jimmy Snuka going 18 minutes would be considered a bad thing.

Little Beaver winning a fall with a gorilla press slam had to be one of the most amusing mental images I've ever conjured up. I can picture Gorilla Monsoon calling that finish, "Look at the strength of Little Beaver! Sky Low Low must be some 10-15 feet in the air! Holy Moses! 1...2...you can count to a hundred!"

[RowdyRobbyPiper]

How long did the WWF have a Junior Heavyweight title?

[BlackoutCreature]

Jan 4, 2014 8:30:58 GMT -5 @sandman said:

I'd hardly think an I-C title match between Pedro Morales and a heel Jimmy Snuka going 18 minutes would be considered a bad thing.

I don't know, Snuka had a tendency to get lazy in longer matches. I'd imagine Bob Orton vs. Pat Patterson could've been a good little mid-card match even though Patterson was past his prime at this point.

Jan 4, 2014 9:55:19 GMT -5 RowdyRobbyPiper said:

How long did the WWF have a Junior Heavyweight title?

Here's some info on it -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_Junior_Heavyweight_Championship
www.wrestling-titles.com/japan/newjapan/wwf-j.html

It looks to me like it was originally created in 1965 to be little more then a vanity title for Johnny DeFazio before being quickly forgotten about. It was revived in 1978 for WWF's co-promotions with New Japan, defended almost exclusively in Japan, and abandoned in 1985 when the WWF and NJPW end things for good.

[RowdyRobbyPiper]

This match and the pops they were getting makes you wish that Vince was a mark for this stuff instead of the muscle heads.

[nisidhe]

Jan 3, 2014 18:04:45 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

Jan 3, 2014 13:30:04 GMT -5 nisidhe said:

Would anyone have the PWI Ring Reports on this card? I wonder if this was the curtain-jerker.

Here's the card according to thehistoryofwwe.com -

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - August 30, 1982 (19,908)
Televised on the MSG and USA networks - included Vince McMahon on commentary
Tony Garea pinned Charlie Fulton at 6:39 with a crossbody off the top
Killer Khan pinned Steve Travis at 5:31 with a kneedrop from the middle turnbuckle
Bob Orton Jr. defeated Pat Patterson via count-out at 9:28 after crotching Patterson on the top, causing him to fall to the floor
WWF Jr. Heavyweight Champion Tiger Mask pinned the Dynamite Kid at 6:34 with a suplex and moonsault after the challenger failed a diving headbutt (Tiger Mask and Dynamite's MSG debut)
WWF IC Champion Pedro Morales fought Jimmy Snuka to a double disqualification at 17:55 after both men refused to break choke holds, with Snuka also hitting a headbutt on guest referee Ivan Putski; prior to the bout, Capt. Lou Albano escorted Snuka to the ring
Tiger Jackson & Little Beaver defeated Sky Low Low & Sonny Boy (w/ Thomas Charles Cassidy) in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match, 2-0; fall #1: Jackson pinned Sonny Boy at 4:46 wit a forearm to the chest; fall #2: Beaver pinned Sky Low Low at 1:17 with a gorilla press slam
Tatsumi Fujinami pinned WWF International Champion Gino Brito with a suplex at 11:34 to win the title; prior to the bout, WWF President Hisashi Shinma was introduced to the crowd
Salvatore Bellomo pinned Swede Hanson at 3:26 with a roll up after Hanson hit the corner; prior to the bout, Freddie Blassie escorted Hanson to the ring
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Buddy Rose via submission with the Crossface Chicken Wing at 20:24 after reversing an attempt at a back suplex; prior to the bout, Backlund was escorted to the ring by Arnold Skaaland while Rose was escorted to the ring by the Grand Wizard, Sherri Martel, & ? (Legends of Wrestling: Hulk Hogan and Bob Backlund)
Women's Champion the Fabulous Moolah defeated Penny Mitchell at 4:49 after the challenger missed a crossbody from the middle turnbuckle
Andre the Giant, Chief Jay & Jules Strongbow defeated Blackjack Mulligan, WWF Tag Team Champions Mr. Fuji & Mr. Saito in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match, 2-1; fall #1: Fuji pinned Jay at 8:16 with a karate chop to the throat; fall #2: Jay pinned Fuji at 3:26 with a forearm blow; fall #3: Jules pinned Saito at 2:21 after releasing a sleeper hold; after the bout, Andre applied a claw on Mulligan for several minutes while wearing a black glove similar to Mulligan's

As you can see, not the curtain jerker.

My bad. I'd forgotten how many matches used to be on a live card.

[Manute Bol]

Did Tiger Mask have any notable matches in the WWE that I should check out?

[BlackoutCreature]

Jan 4, 2014 17:14:01 GMT -5 Manute Bol said:

Did Tiger Mask have any notable matches in the WWE that I should check out?

After a quick glance on thehistoryofwwe.com, he kinda disappears from the WWF until November when he shows up for some television tapings which includes a match against a young Curt Hennig. He then does a few tour days with them, including a televised MSG show against Jose Estrada and a televised Philly house show against Eddie Gilbert. He then disappears again after working another set of television tapings in early December. He worked some house show matches against notable names like Mr. Fuji, Mr. Saito, Buddy Rose and Johnny Rodz, but I doubt any footage of them exists.

[MrElijah]

Jan 4, 2014 9:55:19 GMT -5 RowdyRobbyPiper said:

How long did the WWF have a Junior Heavyweight title?

As another poster said until '85, but then there was also the more famous WWF World Light Heavyweight Title, which was defended in Mexico(UWA), NJPW and Japan and via the J-Crown, in WCW.

Also, a japanese WWF president?