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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 4, 2014 1:21:41 GMT -5
I just watched his match against Punk from the night after Royal Rumble '12, champion vs champion. Man was I shocked to see him get a Conway/Del Rio pop. I remembered him being over in some fashion at the time. Is this just me being a fan of his work and it was just this town, or was he simply not over at the time?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 4, 2014 1:23:50 GMT -5
He really wasn't all that over until the anger management skits. That's really what got him over.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 4, 2014 1:24:26 GMT -5
He wasn't over everywhere yet, at least not to the degree that he would be later that year. He was over in some cities. He was over in Chicago back when he won the Money in the Bank briefcase for instance.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 4, 2014 1:25:42 GMT -5
He was getting decent pops. Nothing earth shattering or anything, but it was a mid card reaction most of the time.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 4, 2014 1:27:40 GMT -5
That would be right in the middle of his heel turn, right? That's pretty typical of heel turns to get that kind of confusion from the crowd.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 4, 2014 1:35:31 GMT -5
Smarkier cities liked him, but Yes only caught on at Wrestlemania/the Raw after Wrestlemania, and even then people argued his chant was over instead of him until Team Hell No.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 4, 2014 1:37:10 GMT -5
He had been a heel for more than a month if I remember correctly. He seemed pretty over the night before in my section (I was at the RR), but he was mostly getting cheers as I was in a section mostly adults.
Random thought though was that there was some lady behind me that very openly wanted every face to win...and yelled for all first wrestlers by their first name. It was highly entertaining. Also yelled at my buddy for standing up too much during the Rumble and Punk/Ziggler.
"Get up John! Get up!"
I don't know why it struck me me as so odd/funny
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 4, 2014 2:06:01 GMT -5
He really wasn't all that over until the anger management skits. That's really what got him over. I remember, when he first returned, he would come out to silence and perform so well that he'd get loud name-chants as the match went on. Like his match with Ziggler at 'Bragging Rights.' He's always had that potential to be really over. It just took him a while to find the right character which is why this Wyatt family saga could be damaging if done wrong. |
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Post by Chip on Jan 4, 2014 2:10:53 GMT -5
That would be right in the middle of his heel turn, right? That's pretty typical of heel turns to get that kind of confusion from the crowd. This was my first thought. I can't really remember the last heel to get real heat when their music hits, everyone just kinda sits on their hands now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 5:58:09 GMT -5
He really wasn't all that over until the anger management skits. That's really what got him over. I remember, when he first returned, he would come out to silence and perform so well that he'd get loud name-chants as the match went on. Like his match with Ziggler at 'Bragging Rights.' He's always had that potential to be really over. It just took him a while to find the right character which is why this Wyatt family saga could be damaging if done wrong. Exactly. The guys that really get over in WWE all have some sort of hook. There are some guys that don't get a reaction when they come out, but the crowd gets into them during the match. That's a pretty good barometer for their potential to become a "big pop" entrance person. |
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 4, 2014 6:24:12 GMT -5
I remember, when he first returned, he would come out to silence and perform so well that he'd get loud name-chants as the match went on. Like his match with Ziggler at 'Bragging Rights.' He's always had that potential to be really over. It just took him a while to find the right character which is why this Wyatt family saga could be damaging if done wrong. Exactly. The guys that really get over in WWE all have some sort of hook. There are some guys that don't get a reaction when they come out, but the crowd gets into them during the match. That's a pretty good barometer for their potential to become a "big pop" entrance person. I was tempted to point out, also, how fans were chanting for him during key moments when he wasn't even on the roster. But it'd be running the risk of getting Zack Ryder thrown in my face. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 4, 2014 7:10:41 GMT -5
Bryan was being booed prior to WrestleMania 28, hell he wasn't even supposed to be a heel but the fans felt sympathy for Big Show and thought Bryan was an asshole for stealing his title so they ran with Bryan as a heel. Watch the Elimination Chamber where it's just him and Santino and you'll hear the sighs of disappointment when Bryan made Santino tap out after everyone for a brief moment believed Santino was really going to win
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 12:04:10 GMT -5
^I'm pretty sure they intentionally went with Bryan turning heel, he cashed-in on a babyface and started acting obnoxious as hell.
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Post by Germansuplex on Jan 4, 2014 12:12:28 GMT -5
That would be right in the middle of his heel turn, right? That's pretty typical of heel turns to get that kind of confusion from the crowd. This was my first thought. I can't really remember the last heel to get real heat when their music hits, everyone just kinda sits on their hands now. "EXCUSE ME!" Other than that, though, you're right. Orton and Shield get some noise, but that's about it. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 4, 2014 12:14:08 GMT -5
^I'm pretty sure they intentionally went with Bryan turning heel, he cashed-in on a babyface and started acting obnoxious as hell. Yep, he claimed he was going to cash-in at Mania. Then he cashes it in in a very opportune way, wins the title, and goes over the top with his celebration. He continued to over-celebrate throughout the next few weeks. Savvy fans could tell he was turning heel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 12:21:53 GMT -5
I loved when he beat Cody Rhodes with a small package, then was outside the ring YESing for like 30 seconds. They cut to Rhodes who had this "come on, wtf man" face =p
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 12:28:58 GMT -5
He really wasn't all that over until the anger management skits. That's really what got him over. Losing to Sheamus in 18 seconds is what got him over. |
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Post by BigWill on Jan 4, 2014 12:48:13 GMT -5
He really wasn't all that over until the anger management skits. That's really what got him over. Losing to Sheamus in 18 seconds is what got him over. Losing to Sheamus made the fans more vocal about supporting him, but that's not what got him over. That'd be like saying that any superstar that gets screwed at WrestleMania would end up being just as over as Daniel Bryan. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 4, 2014 12:49:00 GMT -5
Losing to Sheamus in 18 seconds is what got him over. Losing to Sheamus made the fans more vocal about supporting him, but that's not what got him over. That'd be like saying that any superstar that gets screwed at WrestleMania would end up being just as over as Daniel Bryan. No it isn't. It's just citing one example where someone losing somehow got them over. |
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Post by BigWill on Jan 4, 2014 13:04:36 GMT -5
Losing to Sheamus made the fans more vocal about supporting him, but that's not what got him over. That'd be like saying that any superstar that gets screwed at WrestleMania would end up being just as over as Daniel Bryan. No it isn't. It's just citing one example where someone losing somehow got them over. And I'm saying that's not the case. If Bryan didn't have the talent to begin with, then fans wouldn't have cared if he lost in that way. Which would also suggest that since he did have talent, then he was likely going to get over anyway. Fans were already starting to do the Yes! chants even before Mania, and at Mania there were a bunch of Yes! signs in the crowd. Basically all that match did was make the fans that already liked him chant even louder in protest of what the WWE did. |
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