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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jan 8, 2014 14:34:14 GMT -5
She wasn't a wrestler in the same sense as Emma, Bayley, or Paige, but at least she was properly trained a bit and cared about it which can't be said for half the women's roster right now. Her series of matches with Eve and AJ were both solid.
Oh, and she's f***ing gorgeous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 14:35:12 GMT -5
Yes. How dare I care about the quality of the wrestling programming and explain why paid professionals leaving shortly after getting pushed is bad. ON AN INTERNET WRESTLING FORUM OF ALL PLACES. Kaitlyn hasn't done jack shit in 6 months. Girls like Alicia Fox and Aksana haven't done anything in 2 years. Kaitlyn's already won the Divas title, she's made good money, got her name out there, if she wants to try other stuff, why not go do it while she can? She can always return to WWE if she and they want it that bad. In a division where one person at a time gets pushed, usually for a few months at a time apiece, 6 months is nothing. She would've been back in rotation in no time. And one person backing out is no big deal. But when you get a couple of people who do it in rapid succession or before any new stars are really built, it pretty much wrecks the roster. Not that the divas' division was much to look at, but look at Eve leaving earlier, and Kaitlyn leaving not to long after. And now we're getting people in this thread saying that the division is pretty much crippled for the time being, for want of decent workers. These two things aren't unrelated. When people who have time invested in them to improve in-ring and get over leave before whatever effort was made begins to pay dividends, it's going to hurt the product. I don't get why Lashley doing this is looked on quite so negatively but when divas do it, few people really bat an eye. Obviously Lashley was more important to WWE than Kaitlyn or Eve ever were, but the principle is basically the same. Not to mention, Kaitlyn was at least as popular with live crowds as Lashley was, so it's sort of similar.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 14:36:28 GMT -5
What's Lyn Kait doi--forget it...
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 8, 2014 14:38:34 GMT -5
I won't really miss her, but good luck with what's next.
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 8, 2014 14:39:29 GMT -5
What's Lyn Kait doi--forget it... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 14:40:48 GMT -5
Kaitlyn hasn't done jack shit in 6 months. Girls like Alicia Fox and Aksana haven't done anything in 2 years. Kaitlyn's already won the Divas title, she's made good money, got her name out there, if she wants to try other stuff, why not go do it while she can? She can always return to WWE if she and they want it that bad. In a division where one person at a time gets pushed, usually for a few months at a time apiece, 6 months is nothing. She would've been back in rotation in no time. And one person backing out is no big deal. But when you get a couple of people who do it in rapid succession or before any new stars are really built, it pretty much wrecks the roster. Not that the divas' division was much to look at, but look at Eve leaving earlier, and Kaitlyn leaving not to long after. And now we're getting people in this thread saying that the division is pretty much crippled for the time being, for want of decent workers. These two things aren't unrelated. When people who have time invested in them to improve in-ring and get over leave before whatever effort was made begins to pay dividends, it's going to hurt the product. I don't get why Lashley doing this is looked on quite so negatively but when divas do it, few people really bat an eye. Obviously Lashley was more important to WWE than Kaitlyn or Eve ever were, but the principle is basically the same. Not to mention, Kaitlyn was at least as popular with live crowds as Lashley was, so it's sort of similar. Some people aren't content to just spin their wheels. They want to keep finding new challenges, especially if they have several different interests like Kaitlyn. Maybe if WWE had showed some positive intent that they had a plan with their Divas division instead of WATCH TOTAL DIVAS WATCH TOTAL DIVAS then she would have felt it best to stay. And I don't really recall the reaction to Lashley leaving other than "good" because a lot of people disliked him. I think it was perfectly fine for Lashley to pursue other interests. |
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Post by Bootista on Jan 8, 2014 14:41:07 GMT -5
I won't really miss her, but good luck with what's next. I thought you liked her. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 8, 2014 14:42:40 GMT -5
I won't really miss her, but good luck with what's next. I thought you liked her. Not really, she was probably my 3rd or 4th "favorite", but I wouldn't call myself a fan at all. |
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 8, 2014 14:47:45 GMT -5
I won't really miss her, but good luck with what's next. I thought you liked her. Nah, he's a Seth Rollins fan, the two are easily confused. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 8, 2014 14:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 8, 2014 14:49:32 GMT -5
Nah, he's a Seth Rollins fan, the two are easily confused.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 14:57:27 GMT -5
In a division where one person at a time gets pushed, usually for a few months at a time apiece, 6 months is nothing. She would've been back in rotation in no time. And one person backing out is no big deal. But when you get a couple of people who do it in rapid succession or before any new stars are really built, it pretty much wrecks the roster. Not that the divas' division was much to look at, but look at Eve leaving earlier, and Kaitlyn leaving not to long after. And now we're getting people in this thread saying that the division is pretty much crippled for the time being, for want of decent workers. These two things aren't unrelated. When people who have time invested in them to improve in-ring and get over leave before whatever effort was made begins to pay dividends, it's going to hurt the product. I don't get why Lashley doing this is looked on quite so negatively but when divas do it, few people really bat an eye. Obviously Lashley was more important to WWE than Kaitlyn or Eve ever were, but the principle is basically the same. Not to mention, Kaitlyn was at least as popular with live crowds as Lashley was, so it's sort of similar. Some people aren't content to just spin their wheels. They want to keep finding new challenges, especially if they have several different interests like Kaitlyn. Maybe if WWE had showed some positive intent that they had a plan with their Divas division instead of WATCH TOTAL DIVAS WATCH TOTAL DIVAS then she would have felt it best to stay. And I don't really recall the reaction to Lashley leaving other than "good" because a lot of people disliked him. I think it was perfectly fine for Lashley to pursue other interests. The reaction to Lashley leaving, on here, was generally positive, but the word per Meltzer and every semi-reliable wrestling news source was that backstage, WWE had lost their willingness to really pull the trigger on anyone following his departure. Brock Lesnar leaving made WWE feel shy about it, but Lashley backing out over his girlfriend was the final straw. Lo and behold, we've had an incredibly stagnant main event scene since then. The only guys who have since been seriously committed to the main event have been CM Punk (a longstanding indie wrestler with his heart in wrestling), Daniel Bryan (another stalwart indie star who has made it clear he's focused on wrestling), Sheamus (yet another career indie wrestler), and Alberto Del Rio (A lucha libre star who came into WWE as a career wrestler and will probably leave as such). Obviously, the word of news sources can never be taken as gospel. But Lashley's push was a clear replication of what Lesnar received, and for years, no one was on the receiving end of something similar. And along the way, this board was permeated with complaints about WWE being "The Cena & Orton & HHH Show." Pretty much every PPV thread, you'd see someone start a thread about it, with a lot of people agreeing. Heck, I'd wager that this has a lot to do with why the Bellas get featured all the time. After they returned from a fruitless departure, they've become so finely intertwined with WWE right now that they pretty much depend on them for the success that they so obviously crave, and WWE management knows their loyalty is absolute. Therefore, they're getting pushed pretty heavily, and pretty consistently. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 8, 2014 14:58:53 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 8, 2014 15:02:30 GMT -5
Some of y'all know this is a job right? You're allowed to leave if you want to do something else. You don't owe anyone anything. Ya do your job, and are paid for it, end of obligation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 15:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 15:09:57 GMT -5
So You are saying Kaitlyn is a bitch for wanting to leave to pursue other interests? Its not like She planned on doing it forever. Um... no I'm not? Where in that post did I ever say she's a bitch, or anything similar? READ what people say before you respond. And if you are still hallucinating things they did not actually say, re-read it just to be safe. Nobody plans on wrestling forever. However, a lot of people make it abundantly clear that they don't have any interest in doing anything else for the long-term. Natalya and AJ are both sterling examples. Those are the best people to push because you know that you can rely on them for contributing to the division over the long-term. The problem with pushing someone like Kaitlyn is that, when she decides to do this and just suddenly leaves, any investment that you've placed in her is out the window. She might put someone over or whatnot on her way out, but in women's wrestling, "the rub" is pretty irrelevant. Getting over in the divas' division is a function of having a good character, having good matches, and getting pushed consistently. So when you put 6 months, or a year, or whatever else into building them up and they're gone, you've wasted that time that you could have invested in someone else who can get people interested in the programming for 5 years instead of 1 year. It's kind of a female version of the issue of pushing wrestlers like Bobby Lashley who, despite whatever they contribute, contributed nothing close to what was invested in them, and therefore wasted opportunities that could've been granted to someone else. It's not personal, but it just feels like kind of a waste. Turnover with stars who get pushed will (if unchecked) ultimately result in a bunch of people nobody cares about being featured all the time. And that's not good for attendance, or ratings, or word of mouth on the interwebs. WWE doesn't exactly foster an environment that a woman would feel comfortable in going all-in with a wrestling career though. I mean, you can put on decent matches but if you're only given about 3 minutes...to appease people who might not even be paying attention...in front of commentators who for some reason don't give a shit about what you do... It's just like man, I guess it's cool for AJ to do or Natalya. More power to them. I wouldn't even say AJ and Natalya couldn't be replaced, with all the women they have in NXT and seemingly SDR being able to put them to work in the ring...? AJ acts out of line they could slide Paige right in her place. Natalya acts out of line, nobody is going to miss her. That's the way they've played it for years, so why not just go there, get exposure then get the hell out while you're still young and healthy? |
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Post by Digital Witness on Jan 8, 2014 15:10:16 GMT -5
I sense that we're getting AJ vs Paige much sooner than we thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 15:10:52 GMT -5
Some of y'all know this is a job right? You're allowed to leave if you want to do something else. You don't owe anyone anything. Ya do your job, and are paid for it, end of obligation. No way man, that's crazy talk, you're freakin' crazy. |
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Post by Chip on Jan 8, 2014 15:12:20 GMT -5
Was kinda shocked to wake up to this news, first time a diva, f*** maybe even a performer full stop has left since I started watching full time that made me sad. Her feud with AJ was the best Diva's feud in years I feel but worst of all, I guess she won't be appearing in as many of Big E's instagram videos anymore. I hope whatever this next big project is makes her happy.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 8, 2014 15:14:15 GMT -5
Some of y'all know this is a job right? You're allowed to leave if you want to do something else. You don't owe anyone anything. Ya do your job, and are paid for it, end of obligation. true, but its not some office job. A lot of people woukd literally kill for her job. not saying she owes us or wwe anything, but I get how some can't grasp walking away from it. |
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