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Post by BRV on Jan 13, 2014 16:14:10 GMT -5
"Thin privilege"? Hahaha, oh my god, f*** off.
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Post by Hakumental on Jan 13, 2014 16:18:58 GMT -5
While I dislike making fun of people's weight, do we really need another sloganeering "social justice" movement?
Hey Tumblr, where's my holy war against bald-shaming, huh? Check your hair privilege!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 13, 2014 16:22:15 GMT -5
But it's a fish.
I mean I am seeing that right yes? That this thing is a fish?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 13, 2014 16:29:22 GMT -5
But it's a fish. I mean I am seeing that right yes? That this thing is a fish? It's a zora which is kind of the mermaid people from the game.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 13, 2014 16:30:15 GMT -5
Hey Tumblr, where's my holy war against bald-shaming, huh? Check your hair privilege! f*** that, you and I both know bald is beautiful
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 13, 2014 16:31:07 GMT -5
But it's a fish. I mean I am seeing that right yes? That this thing is a fish? It's a zora which is kind of the mermaid people from the game. Right on, but still fictional mermaid thingy seems a weird thing to get up in arms about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 16:33:10 GMT -5
It's a zora which is kind of the mermaid people from the game. Right on, but still fictional mermaid thingy seems a weird thing to get up in arms about. It's tumblr. Getting up in arms about things is all they ever do outside of posting porn.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 13, 2014 16:34:33 GMT -5
Right on, but still fictional mermaid thingy seems a weird thing to get up in arms about. It's tumblr. Getting up in arms about things is all they ever do outside of posting porn. Touche. Hell I've never been on Tumblr. Stuff like this makes me have no desire to change that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 16:38:02 GMT -5
While I dislike making fun of people's weight, do we really need another sloganeering "social justice" movement? Hey Tumblr, where's my holy war against bald-shaming, huh? Check your hair privilege! I'm sucking on ice cubes right now and almost choked on them from laughter. Bravo!
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Post by Bad Moon on Jan 13, 2014 16:42:28 GMT -5
Tumblr is the most poisonous f***ing internet community there is. It's that horrible attitude of "everybody is perfect and special just the way they are and how dare anybody suggest otherwise" taken to this crazy extreme where everybody gets offended and feels attacked by just about anything. Yes, I understand that offense can only be taken and not given, but I feel like these kinds of bloggers are the most ignorant, hateful and delusional people you'll ever meet and are just out to offend anybody on the chance that someone out there might suffer from the same mental defect as them and reblog them so they can feel their little tinge of validation for the day.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 13, 2014 16:45:36 GMT -5
I just now noticed the "woman literally raped for losing a round of Killer Instinct". Even if you're trying to say figuratively, that doesn't make much sense.
These tumblr people are loons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 16:45:37 GMT -5
Tumblr is the most poisonous f***ing internet community there is. Though Reddit gives them quite the stiff competition
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 16:47:20 GMT -5
While I dislike making fun of people's weight, do we really need another sloganeering "social justice" movement? Hey Tumblr, where's my holy war against bald-shaming, huh? Check your hair privilege! Agreed! Lots of men can't control their baldness. Sure if they wore hats less they wouldn't have balded so soon but hey we can't help it. Hair plugs look like shit and laser corrective surgery is expensive! f*** I wish people protested Fresh Prince of Bel Air for all the bald jokes to Uncle Phil
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 13, 2014 16:50:34 GMT -5
God dammit Tumblr get off your high horses, stop polishing your armour and start using to fight for causes that are actually worth it. And the guy's argument doesn't even make sense, even if you disregard the fact that the character's fatness is blatantly symbolic for their greed for power and you stupidly take it straight. Sure being fat doesn't necessarily mean you're out of control (although let's be honest, most of the time there is a relation) and constantly eating, but being out of control and constantly eating does make you fat. And really it's not just a Tumblr thing. People really need to stick that baobab out of their ass, realize that their mommy lied when she said they're the centre of the Universe, get over themselves and stop trying so f'n hard to convince themselves that the entire world only does things to either please or offend them. As someone who used to be obese but isn't anymore...yes, being fat is definitely a sign of lacking self-control. Speaking as somebody who used to be obese and worked overtime to get down to being slightly overweight...no, you're completely wrong and being hideously offensive. It's a perfectly reasonable thing for the Tumblr post to point out, if only because it's such an overplayed trope. Associating fat with simple lack of self-control basically means you're calling fat people your moral and constitutional (meaning personal constitution) inferiors. It isn't to say that fat can never be played off for humor, but from the perspective of people who are routinely shamed for the shape they're in and are told they have something wrong with them, it must be annoying to have to hear it again, but this time from your favorite video game series...for what its worth I own the game, too, no problem playing it, but why shouldn't somebody be allowed to voice their frustration with something I'm sure they're tired of hearing? First, starting your argument basically saying that someone not sharing your views makes them wrong and offensive, thus implying that YOUR personal opinions are factual and right, especially when talking to someone who's had similar experiences to yours, is never going to make anyone take your argument seriously. Seriously, what would you think if I told you "HMARK, I do not share your views, therefore you are wrong and evil"? Second, as others said, when someone reaches "can't get out of your pool" fat, yes, there IS something wrong with them as that point. And by the way, since you mention having lost weight yourself, I doubt you felt everything was right with you when you decided to do it. Heck, I'm trying to lose weight too and why am I doing it? Because I feel there's something wrong with my body in its current state. Third, the game isn't saying there's something wrong with fat people, it's saying there's something wrong with this particular character and their behaviour. Fourth. It's a silly moment in a silly video game. It's not making ANY kind of statement other than "hey, wouldn't it be fun if people inflated or shrunk in a blink?". It's like when PeTA got their panties in a bunch because Mario was wearing a tanuki suit and obviously that means Nintendo supports killing animals for their fur. If you're going that way, you might as well complain about how the game is clearly encouraging children to be violent because the hero is a kid who stabs people with a sword all the time, or that Nintendo encourages drug abuse because Mario & co gain powers from eating shrooms (designed after hallucinogenic ones too!).
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2014 16:53:47 GMT -5
The Wii Fit trainer post seems like a joke, and if it isn't then I feel for the person who wrote that, because outside of using the very dated and inaccurate BMI metric there's incredibly little about Wii Fit that could be looked at as "fat-ist" or encouraging thin privilege, if that's the proper term. Tumblr is a great place for a lot of people; my girlfriend is a gamer and also Cuban, and she often feels like it's one of the few venues online where she can see her own perspectives (female, Latina, taking part in a pop-subculture that's usually dominated by men) and frustrations represented and expressed online, all without the fear of having somebody turn around and call her awful racist names or treating her in a misogynistic way. I'm sure there's plenty of people on there who chase after shadows and go out of their way to feel offended, but there's much more people who often have very different perspectives from the mainstream who simply want a platform to air them out and be heard. If anything, I'd whole-heartedly encourage that. Again, some folks may take it too far and see great offense where there is none, but I fail to see the harm in it, and would rather focus on the greater positive it gives folks who otherwise might feel their perspectives are marginalized. And yet you're still wrong, because being fat is not always a sign of lacking self-control. There's any number of overweight people who do lack self-control; of course they exist. There's also plenty of overweight people who don't routinely overeat, actually work out, and due to any number of factors remain overweight. There's also many who fall within a spectrum of behavior and impulse reaction, but let's ignore that because it doesn't fit into an anecdotal narrative, right? It's wrong-headed and makes weight into a moral issue; that if you're overweight then your ability to control yourself or your impulses is automatically called into question, and thus your character is as well. I have a hard time blaming people, overweight, fat, or otherwise, who're tired of hearing it, especially when it flat-out doesn't apply to everybody. Here's a few things I think you should consider: 1. "Sign" is synonymous with "symptom." 2. A fever is a symptom of the flu. 3. A fever is also a symptom of food poisoning. 4. The flu and food poisoning are not the same thing. 5. Therefore, when someone has a fever, this is a sign that they may have food poisoning, or they may have the flu, or both, or various other diseases that result in fevers. 6. If a doctor notices someone has a fever and says "This is a sign (or symptom) of the flu" is there anything incorrect with this statement? Bearing in mind he never said that the patient must therefore have the flu. ...see where this is going? In a totally different direction than you started in? You said that "being fat is a sign of lacking self-control", a definitive statement, and a wholly untrue one; many fat people do not lack self-control, and many people lacking self-control are not fat. Hence, no, even changing the word to "symptom", the claim is still untrue. If the point was "being fat can overlap with lacking self-control", then fine, but that's clearly not what your opening statement was.
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Post by Orange on Jan 13, 2014 16:59:16 GMT -5
Speaking as somebody who used to be obese and worked overtime to get down to being slightly overweight...no, you're completely wrong and being hideously offensive. I am completely wrong, you say? Then do tell. Why was it that when I stopped eating whole pizzas, potato chips, cookies, desert cakes and hamburgers, and stopped drinking soda all the time, and decided to get some f***ing exercise once in a while that I've lost over 50 pounds? Isn't choosing to show restraint instead of being a glutton and eating more than I need a pretty definitive sign that lacking self-control was the problem? You're taking your situation and applying it to an entire group of people; surely you can understand why this is the wrong thing to do. Yeah, you lacked self control and you worked out and got in shape. That's awesome for you, but you're assuming that your story is a mirror image of every obese person's story and that's just flat out not right. There could be a multitude of factors at hand as to why somebody is obese, and "lacking self control" isn't a guarantee in all of them. Is it a case in some of them? Absolutely. It is a case in most of them? Maybe. Is it a case in all of them? No. There could be numerous medical problems, both physical and mental, at hand that contribute to a person's obesity, and it's such a case-by-case thing that you can't round up every obese person and say "this is the cause". It's not fair and it's not right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 17:06:59 GMT -5
The Wii Fit trainer post seems like a joke, and if it isn't then I feel for the person who wrote that, because outside of using the very dated and inaccurate BMI metric there's incredibly little about Wii Fit that could be looked at as "fat-ist" or encouraging thin privilege, if that's the proper term. Tumblr is a great place for a lot of people; my girlfriend is a gamer and also Cuban, and she often feels like it's one of the few venues online where she can see her own perspectives (female, Latina, taking part in a pop-subculture that's usually dominated by men) and frustrations represented and expressed online, all without the fear of having somebody turn around and call her awful racist names or treating her in a misogynistic way. I'm sure there's plenty of people on there who chase after shadows and go out of their way to feel offended, but there's much more people who often have very different perspectives from the mainstream who simply want a platform to air them out and be heard. If anything, I'd whole-heartedly encourage that. Again, some folks may take it too far and see great offense where there is none, but I fail to see the harm in it, and would rather focus on the greater positive it gives folks who otherwise might feel their perspectives are marginalized. Here's a few things I think you should consider: 1. "Sign" is synonymous with "symptom." 2. A fever is a symptom of the flu. 3. A fever is also a symptom of food poisoning. 4. The flu and food poisoning are not the same thing. 5. Therefore, when someone has a fever, this is a sign that they may have food poisoning, or they may have the flu, or both, or various other diseases that result in fevers. 6. If a doctor notices someone has a fever and says "This is a sign (or symptom) of the flu" is there anything incorrect with this statement? Bearing in mind he never said that the patient must therefore have the flu. ...see where this is going? In a totally different direction than you started in? You said that "being fat is a sign of lacking self-control", a definitive statement, and a wholly untrue one; many fat people do not lack self-control, and many people lacking self-control are not fat. Hence, no, even changing the word to "symptom", the claim is still untrue. If the point was "being fat can overlap with lacking self-control", then fine, but that's clearly not what your opening statement was. It's not in a different direction. I just summed up for you why saying obesity is a sign of lacking self control is just another way of saying it's a symptom of lacking self control, which therefore means that someone can (but does not necessarily) have issues with self control if they are obese. Being fat can overlap with lacking self control. It can also be caused by lacking self control. And that's my point because the moral police on tumblr seem to think that such a thing is patently untrue and cannot be the case.
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Post by Orange on Jan 13, 2014 17:08:24 GMT -5
I'm in Art Ruth's camp. Obesity is a personal weakness. Unless you've the most ambitious thyroid ever, you are fat because you live the life of a fat person. Whether it's just a lack of self control or a psychological hang up is immaterial. You have to rise out of it same as you would with addiction to drugs, alcohol, gambling, pornography, etc. Don't try to pawn it off on some bullshit. So, if somebody is struggling with weight because they have psychological issues, it's their fault and they should just 'get over it'? The girl with anorexia, the girl with bulimia and the dude who has an eating addiction should just 'get over it' and, essentially, be ashamed of themselves because they have mental problems? You're trying to make light of a very serious thing because you don't see how serious it is, and in turn you're greatly underestimating the effect that psychological issues can have on people. The general consensus on obese people seems to be "oh, fatty fat fatty can't stop eatin' MacDonalds!", when there could be problems at hand that you'd never know about unless you were that person. If somebody is addicted to substances society by and large has sympathy towards them, so why is it that obese people with severe health problems are held at the level of second class citizens because of their size? It's a disgusting, judgmental holier-than-thou attitude that has to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 17:10:11 GMT -5
I am completely wrong, you say? Then do tell. Why was it that when I stopped eating whole pizzas, potato chips, cookies, desert cakes and hamburgers, and stopped drinking soda all the time, and decided to get some f***ing exercise once in a while that I've lost over 50 pounds? Isn't choosing to show restraint instead of being a glutton and eating more than I need a pretty definitive sign that lacking self-control was the problem? You're taking your situation and applying it to an entire group of people; surely you can understand why this is the wrong thing to do. Yeah, you lacked self control and you worked out and got in shape. That's awesome for you, but you're assuming that your story is a mirror image of every obese person's story and that's just flat out not right. There could be a multitude of factors at hand as to why somebody is obese, and "lacking self control" isn't a guarantee in all of them. Is it a case in some of them? Absolutely. It is a case in most of them? Maybe. Is it a case in all of them? No. There could be numerous medical problems, both physical and mental, at hand that contribute to a person's obesity, and it's such a case-by-case thing that you can't round up every obese person and say "this is the cause". It's not fair and it's not right. I'm not saying that every single obese person ever has suffered from lacking self control and/or that it is the cause of that obesity. I said that it is a SIGN--a symptom, an indicator--of lacking self control. Please refer to the handful of posts above what you posted.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2014 17:10:47 GMT -5
Speaking as somebody who used to be obese and worked overtime to get down to being slightly overweight...no, you're completely wrong and being hideously offensive. It's a perfectly reasonable thing for the Tumblr post to point out, if only because it's such an overplayed trope. Associating fat with simple lack of self-control basically means you're calling fat people your moral and constitutional (meaning personal constitution) inferiors. It isn't to say that fat can never be played off for humor, but from the perspective of people who are routinely shamed for the shape they're in and are told they have something wrong with them, it must be annoying to have to hear it again, but this time from your favorite video game series...for what its worth I own the game, too, no problem playing it, but why shouldn't somebody be allowed to voice their frustration with something I'm sure they're tired of hearing? First, starting your argument basically saying that someone not sharing your views makes them wrong and offensive, thus implying that YOUR personal opinions are factual and right, especially when talking to someone who's had similar experiences to yours, is never going to make anyone take your argument seriously. Seriously, what would you think if I told you "HMARK, I do not share your views, therefore you are wrong and evil"? Second, as others said, when someone reaches "can't get out of your pool" fat, yes, there IS something wrong with them as that point. And by the way, since you mention having lost weight yourself, I doubt you felt everything was right with you when you decided to do it. Heck, I'm trying to lose weight too and why am I doing it? Because I feel there's something wrong with my body in its current state. Third, the game isn't saying there's something wrong with fat people, it's saying there's something wrong with this particular character and their behaviour. Fourth. It's a silly moment in a silly video game. It's not making ANY kind of statement other than "hey, wouldn't it be fun if people inflated or shrunk in a blink?". It's like when PeTA got their panties in a bunch because Mario was wearing a tanuki suit and obviously that means Nintendo supports killing animals for their fur. If you're going that way, you might as well complain about how the game is clearly encouraging children to be violent because the hero is a kid who stabs people with a sword all the time, or that Nintendo encourages drug abuse because Mario & co gain powers from eating shrooms (designed after hallucinogenic ones too!). First statement: it has nothing to do with my worldview, and everything to do with saying "fat = no self control". It's a patently untrue statement, and frankly an offensive one; my opinion only comes into play with considering it offensive. It's a blatantly false statement. Second statement: I never said "there's never anything wrong with fat", because that would be just as disingenuous; obesity, as is well-documented, carries with it plenty of health risks, depending on the level of obesity and the circumstances of it. I certainly didn't feel great when I was bigger (around 250 pounds); I was told my blood sugar was getting too high, and given my family's history with diabetes I decided to change some habits. However, the offense taken at the game was over showing a character that grew fat (obviously to a cartoonish degree) and became an awful, irrational person, but who went back to being beautiful and thin and regained their composure when their problem was solved. Was it a clear exaggeration? Of course it was; nobody gets that fat in real life. The offense came because it's a stereotype that many overweight people contend with regularly, that their weight is indicative of who they are as a person, and what their morals or character are. Third statement: ties into the previous. Personally speaking, I take very little offense at things like fat humor...or hell, any humor for that matter. However, I can't blame others for taking offense if they've put up with things like fat shaming in their lives much more than I have. I was routinely made fun of through about late middle school for my weight, I think; it caused me some severe body image issues that I still, even after dropping about 40-45 pounds from my heaviest, wrestle with to this day. I can only imagine what it's like for people who grow up and continue to be shamed in some way, by family or friends or even strangers, which is something I haven't really had to contend with...by the by, not equating that with genuine concern from family and friends, but you get my point. Since I can't really empathize or imagine what it's like for them, I'm inclined to listen if they take offense at something like this. It could just be somebody who's sick of the stereotype of the irrational, no-self-control fat character, and decided to say something about it online. That's their right, and maybe it helps them to vent. Fourth statement: Again, I'm tough to offend; I'm a straight white dude from America, life treats me pretty well. But what's one person's silly, innocent moment in a game or what have you can be the straw that breaks the camel's back for somebody else. I know I'm repeating myself at this point, but when you've seen a caricature enough times and you feel like it's bled into the way people treat you in your real life, it's understandable if you react badly to it in a work of fiction or something. It's just a matter of being willing to listen; the person might be stretching to make their point, sure, but their outrage often comes from a very real place, and there's no harm in at least attempting to understand it. Again, I'll defend Tumblr a lot; for people who feel like they can't express their perspectives in a mainstream setting, it must seem like a godsend. As a member of many of the groups that often get critiqued (white, male, no longer obese, Westernized/culturally imperialistic worldview, etc.), it really doesn't put a damper on my day because somebody points out something that offends them.
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