Cry Baby
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Post by Cry Baby on Jan 26, 2014 23:35:12 GMT -5
Mods are keeping an eye on this thread, and I can tell all of you that we already found reasons to issue warnings. In the words of Walter White, tread lightly. This is just asking a question, but what here would entail a warning? Mods have already deleted a couple of posts relatable to questionable methods of watching WWE programming. Big no-no. |
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StuntGranny®
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 26, 2014 23:35:25 GMT -5
Emotions are just high right now. Come tomorrow most people will have reconsidered and calmed down a lot. A significant number of people won't boycott WWE because of this. I mean, a year can pass and this PPV (outside of Bryan/Wyatt) will still be terrible. |
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Post by suave on Jan 26, 2014 23:35:38 GMT -5
I feel like crying, honestly. This is sort of my life right now, and it's quickly turning into something I despise. Dude. If you're crying, then please take a break. Wrestling isn't something worth crying over, at least not in a sad way. Just take a look in the mirror, realize there's more important stuff to get emotional about. |
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:05 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:06 GMT -5
I swear, I'm going to set up a Paypal account and charge y'all for my therapy. Some of ya really need to remember, IT IS ONLY WRESTLING.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:12 GMT -5
Well, I'm not ordering the Network. Forget it. Beyond hanging out here, I'm done with the product again. I don't want the McMahons and Levesques to get one cent that could be better spent elsewhere.
You know the last time I was driven away? When Booker T lost to Triple H and we learned the valuable lesson that the white race was superior. Well, yet again, evil triumphs in the longterm in WWE, with Triple H being proven right one more time. Forget this. I'll be back in time for the WCW All-Star Tribute to Ralphus in 2016 or whatever nostalgic event they concoct to lure me back like they did with ECW One Night Stand, but they've completely trashed Daniel Bryan's ascent and abandoned all hope at expanding their business or building towards the future.
Enjoy your television rights negotiation money, Steph. I hope it's enough to get you guys through the down period that's ahead.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:12 GMT -5
This too shall pass. I know it upsets a lot of people, but the WWE really has been far, far worse off before. There are tons of things going right in the WWE. New guys are being pushed hard--and this was evident even tonight. They're not pushing DB like a lot of people would like--that sucks. In spite of tonight they're still far, far from burying the guy. There's still no reason to believe that he has a doomed future or anything. The positive outweighs the negative and things may yet look up for DB by WrestleMania. We'll just have to see. I admire the enthusiasm but everyone has heard this every year. Ryback finished in the final 2 last year. Everyone said how lovely it was that he was getting a big push and he'd be WWE Champion soon. Cena won the Rumble. What's changed since then? Roman Reigns was incredible tonight and it'd be just great if he got a mega push and would be the next guy but WWE hasn't truly gotten behind a new guy since Cena and Batista in 2005 and every road to Wrestlemania since then has felt like the exact same tired old routine. It's not like no one else is over enough to take the top spot, Daniel Bryan is comfortably the most cheered for face in the company and he jobbed in the undercard tonight (not that I minded at the time). There is absolutely nothing to be positive about here because WWE is happy to rely on the big names from the last 15 years until they're too crippled to actually wrestle. |
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:42 GMT -5
Two questions. 1. How does Batista have crossover appeal? The dude was in some shitty direct to DVD movies. Daniel Bryan got shout outs on ESPN. 2. Who cares about his height? Will a guys height make you not buy the show? Is it ridiculously hard to believe that a small fighter could be skilled enough to fight larger fighters and win? I'm getting piled in this thread but thought I would respond to you since you legitimately asked questions 1. Batista has not strictly done straight to DVD releases. He is about to have a leading role in a Marvel Comic movie. Actors who manage even small 3-5 line parts in these movies go onto becoming cult legends and are set for life financially (Not necessarily from the pay day but the action figures, autograph money, photo money etc) Batista is the lead in this movie. This movie comes out this year so if he's fresh out of WWE (Or there when the film is released) the WWE is going to get A LOT of media hype and things like that from people they don't usually get it from. This is why it makes sense for Batista to win here 2. Me personally? I like watching guys who are larger than life going at it. Daniel Bryan isn't a small guy but on the WWE roster he is and it just isn't a realistic scenario with 5'9 200 pound Daniel Bryan going up against 6'5 235 pound Randy Orton. Throw in the fact that I personally don't find Daniel Bryan entertaining in the least and it's a dull main event for me and like minded people. To point one. Nathan Jones has done theatrical releases too. Kurrgan has too. Elijah Burke was an extra in one of the biggest movies of last year. Plus, it's not like Batista's only been in flops so far. Riddick, Man with the Iron Fists, it's not like Big Dave hasn't starred in a movie before and this is the first time they're promoting him. In fact, I'm positive that the average fan who knows Batista does not know about nor do they give one single complete damn about Guardians of the Galaxy. They just see OH SHIT IT'S BATISTA. And, like yourself, once they see "OH SHIT, IT'S BATISTA", they're back to the "WELP, TIME TO GO BACK TO NOT WATCHING WRESTLING THE OTHER NINE MONTHS OF THE YEAR." Though, in your case, it's more WWE. To point two, I'm trying not to personally attack you dude, but people like YOU are literally what's wrong with wrestling and casual wrestling fans. You know what the difference between Tito Santana and Hercules is? Tito Santana could go in the ring, get fans behind him as a fiery babyface, and didn't brush the top spot. He was a sturdy hand. Hercules Hernandez was a decent hand, but was 75% body. If Don Muraco and Hercules squared off, you could slide in any two other "Larger than Life guys" in there, and they would have the exact same match. Why the hell would I want to see that ad infinitum across 30 years of programming? Plus, if you wanna go Orton vs. Bryan, let me give you this. Daniel Bryan is a small man who can kick really REALLY hard. Randy Orton is a tall man who has a little more muscle on him. However tonight, Daniel Bryan got fired up by the crowd and even though the match started off slow, he helped to get everyone into it. Orton heard the crowd shitting on him and immediately went, "Well f*** you, I don't have to entertain you." Why do I want to support a man like that and NOT the guy before that? Because he's only a few inches taller than me? Sorry dude, but if a Daniel Bryan match doesn't entertain you, then you are in the slim minority. Wrestling should not be bodies anymore. It is not 1985, it is 2014. It's not real. It should at LEAST be exciting and athletic. |
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:51 GMT -5
I bet they keep Bryan off TV tomorrow night. He's not been advertised for Raw at all locally. Maybe Cleveland will be the home of the "Night of YES" part 2. But like, what would that do for Bryan or WWE? They've gotta know that keeping him off Raw is just begging the crowd to shit on anything they have planned. |
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 26, 2014 23:36:58 GMT -5
Bryan is in his 30's, why do people think hes the future? The future was sorted tonight with Roman Reigns We don't think he's the future, we think he should be the now. |
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Post by DIIV on Jan 26, 2014 23:37:36 GMT -5
Bryan not even being in the match sucks enough, but Batista winning the whole thing is just a huge slap in the face.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 26, 2014 23:37:45 GMT -5
What do I want to say? To be perfectly honest here, I can truthfully say that I am not surprised at the WWE's stubborness. Does it suck? Yes, it realy does because while I didn't see the show, seeing the reactions on here, in chat rooms, and on Facebook has made me pretty glad that it's been a while since I watched a full WWE show and it's been YEARS since I ordered a PPV.
The real problem is Vince is out of touch, Hunter is an individual who I feel has a great creative mind and is in touch, however, is more driven by ego and those who are his friends rather than what's best for business(no pun intended). Stephanie? Well nothing can be said about her creativity in all honesty.
All of this is taking me back to when the Cena backlash started. It's almost as if Vince takes it personal when his "creations" aren't backed. Austin, Rock, Foley, Taker, and hell even Shawn had to be pushed due to WCW kicking their asses. Yet with no real competition to push their creative to a peak, they know they're secure and as sucky as it is, the best course of action I have felt is to just stop watching. Will us not watching make a difference? Probably not, in fact, we make such a small profit of their target audience. But by finding something else to entertain you it makes it better.
I remember I got into an argument with a friend who makes the excuse that "I can't just stop watching WWE. It's my life and even though it's sucky, I have to watch it. There's nothing else for me." She actually said those words and at time I recommended 24, House, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Supernatural, and etc. I guess the point I am making is I just felt the best reaction to the WWE product is apathy. I read the results and just shrug my shoulders, proceed to turn on Season 8 of Supernatural or another show from my DVD collection. As frustrating as the product can be, I will not stress over it, for it really isn't worth it and the WWE has stopped listening to their fans for quite sometime.
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Post by MasonK565 on Jan 26, 2014 23:37:52 GMT -5
I am angered. And disappointed. There is no way for us to stop them unless we turn away from their product. And that won't happen.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 26, 2014 23:37:59 GMT -5
Since the done to death thread got closed I'll post this here: No. of one-on-one matches on PPV: Bryan and Orton - 3 (not counting the cash-in since it was hardly a match) Cena and Orton - 9 Anybody can slant statistics in their favour. To me, Cena vs. Orton is a stale, uninspiring match up with a story we've seen told before. Bryan vs. Orton on the other hand, has produced better matches (although not the best of either wrestler's career), is quite fresh and is a story that still doesn't feel like it has a had a proper ending yet. I'm not trying to anger you or what not, but you completely ignored the PPV level lengthy matches Orton and Bryan have had in the past year. They had 1 on smackdown last year, the Extreme Rules match on Raw, the 3 PPV matches, and the lengthy match in December on Raw. That is a lot of times to see 1 match. You can argue Cena and Orton have been done a lot and I won't disagree, but your statistic is leaving out something important that hurts your argument. At the end of the day, people are going to remember matches that main evented PPVs far more than they're going to remember ephemeral matches on Raw. Cena/Orton has been presented as a PPV main eventer for about 6 years now, and people don't care any more. A few TV matches over the course of one storyline isn't going to have the same impact. |
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 26, 2014 23:38:50 GMT -5
Bryan is in his 30's, why do people think hes the future? The future was sorted tonight with Roman Reigns He's the same age Steve Austin was... |
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jan 26, 2014 23:38:54 GMT -5
Since the done to death thread got closed I'll post this here: No. of one-on-one matches on PPV: Bryan and Orton - 3 (not counting the cash-in since it was hardly a match) Cena and Orton - 9 Anybody can slant statistics in their favour. To me, Cena vs. Orton is a stale, uninspiring match up with a story we've seen told before. Bryan vs. Orton on the other hand, has produced better matches (although not the best of either wrestler's career), is quite fresh and is a story that still doesn't feel like it has a had a proper ending yet. I'm not trying to anger you or what not, but you completely ignored the PPV level lengthy matches Orton and Bryan have had in the past year. They had 1 on smackdown last year, the Extreme Rules match on Raw, the 3 PPV matches, and the lengthy match in December on Raw. That is a lot of times to see 1 match. You can argue Cena and Orton have been done a lot and I won't disagree, but your statistic is leaving out something important that hurts your argument. I'm not saying Bryan/Orton hasn't been done a lot, the original thread it was in reply to seemed to have slanted the figures in a way that was detrimental to Bryan and Orton matches so I decided to go in the opposite direction and deliberately deliver a statistic that was detrimental to how people would view Orton/Cena matches. Personally, I don't care if something's been done to death. I'd love to see Cena vs. Punk at 'Mania and we've seen that a lot of times. My problem with Orton/Cena matches is I don't care about them. My post was really just to show how anyone can use the statistics to prove their point. |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 26, 2014 23:39:13 GMT -5
On the notion that there is an entertainment aspect involved in pro-wrestling would it be ridiculous to see Tom Cruise beat the shit out of Dolph Lundgren and save the day in a movie? Tom Cruise can be scripted to be the hero, but do you think he's going to kick anyone's ass? There's a limit to videos one can link but if you need more let me know. |
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Post by General Adam on Jan 26, 2014 23:39:14 GMT -5
I really don't know what to say that hasn't already been said. I've been on the forum for a long time I have never seen this type of reaction for any PPV (that I can recall that is). I to am having second thoughts about getting the WWE network. I just.....I just don't know anymore.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 26, 2014 23:39:20 GMT -5
Bryan is in his 30's, why do people think hes the future? The future was sorted tonight with Roman Reigns As someone else said, he should be the now. Not to mention, in 2005, Batista was the future. AT AGE 36. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 26, 2014 23:39:30 GMT -5
I'll leave my thoughts here.
Take Bryan or Batista out of the equation. This is so frustrating for fans and workers alike I'm sure. We have a guy come back one week before the show and he's going to have the whole build up to Wrestlemania center on him.
Why invest in the people you see every week as a fan? None of the people you're cheering/booing are going to really shine with the part time stars build. As a wrestler, you're out their traveling and busting your ass to not get a big reward? They have their dream jobs sure and the ones who could have won the Rumble will be on Mania, but what does it say when the company starts building towards the big show and they pretty much tell you "you're not good enough."
That's just insane. Even if they turn Batista heel it's not really a good plan. What's gonna happen? Bryan forces his way in? Orton turns face?
They are slow burning it likely but why wait soooo long to pull the trigger. Last year they f***ing ruined Ryback so the come back star's booking wasn't messed up. This year they are just f***ing around with Bryan so someone who doesn't seem to give a shit can headline Wrestlemania instead?
It's so frustrating being a wrestling fan. I can hate their decisions as much as I want but where am I going to go? They can book the worst f***ing things and I am going to keep watching despite not really wanting to because I love pro wrestling. I never get worked up about booking and stuff but this was just god awful.
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