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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Jan 26, 2014 23:40:00 GMT -5
Wow. How to sum this up.
On the one hand, you've got a middle-aged wrestler win a Rumble 9 years after he won it as an up-and-coming star. He eliminated 29 other men, most of which have wrestled all year, whilst he strolls in in the prior fortnight. All these wrestlers who could do with a Rumble victory... just like he was handed all those years ago.
Then you've got the hottest guy in the company, the crowd are literally dying to see him come out and just do something... anything. He not only didn't win the Rumble, he didn't even feature! The fact he wasn't an entrant and JBL/El Torito were featured is the biggest middle-finger to the fans who actually gave a damn. Everyone has said this much better than I ever will, but you had a chance to send the most popular guy in your company into the stratosphere, and you failed to take it, then gave it to a man who has had these opportunities before, then you didn't even include him! To say you have no respect for the fans would be putting it lightly.
I will no longer be subscribing to the WWE Network. I will watch RAW tomorrow to see the anti-Batista reactions, but after that? Who knows.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 26, 2014 23:40:25 GMT -5
I'm not trying to anger you or what not, but you completely ignored the PPV level lengthy matches Orton and Bryan have had in the past year. They had 1 on smackdown last year, the Extreme Rules match on Raw, the 3 PPV matches, and the lengthy match in December on Raw. That is a lot of times to see 1 match. You can argue Cena and Orton have been done a lot and I won't disagree, but your statistic is leaving out something important that hurts your argument. At the end of the day, people are going to remember matches that main evented PPVs far more than they're going to remember ephemeral matches on Raw. Cena/Orton has been presented as a PPV main eventer for about 6 years now, and people don't care any more. A few TV matches over the course of one storyline isn't going to have the same impact. But again, prior to TLC, Cena and Orton hadn't wrestled one on one on pay-per-view since October of 2009, that's a full 4+ years in between pay-per-view matches |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 26, 2014 23:40:35 GMT -5
Bryan is in his 30's, why do people think hes the future? The future was sorted tonight with Roman Reigns You do realize that both Hogan and Austin were in their 30s when they got their most popular right?? |
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 26, 2014 23:40:46 GMT -5
I'm getting piled in this thread but thought I would respond to you since you legitimately asked questions 1. Batista has not strictly done straight to DVD releases. He is about to have a leading role in a Marvel Comic movie. Actors who manage even small 3-5 line parts in these movies go onto becoming cult legends and are set for life financially (Not necessarily from the pay day but the action figures, autograph money, photo money etc) Batista is the lead in this movie. This movie comes out this year so if he's fresh out of WWE (Or there when the film is released) the WWE is going to get A LOT of media hype and things like that from people they don't usually get it from. This is why it makes sense for Batista to win here 2. Me personally? I like watching guys who are larger than life going at it. Daniel Bryan isn't a small guy but on the WWE roster he is and it just isn't a realistic scenario with 5'9 200 pound Daniel Bryan going up against 6'5 235 pound Randy Orton. Throw in the fact that I personally don't find Daniel Bryan entertaining in the least and it's a dull main event for me and like minded people. To point one. Nathan Jones has done theatrical releases too. Kurrgan has too. Elijah Burke was an extra in one of the biggest movies of last year. Plus, it's not like Batista's only been in flops so far. Riddick, Man with the Iron Fists, it's not like Big Dave hasn't starred in a movie before and this is the first time they're promoting him. In fact, I'm positive that the average fan who knows Batista does not know about nor do they give one single complete damn about Guardians of the Galaxy. They just see OH SHIT IT'S BATISTA. And, like yourself, once they see "OH SHIT, IT'S BATISTA", they're back to the "WELP, TIME TO GO BACK TO NOT WATCHING WRESTLING THE OTHER NINE MONTHS OF THE YEAR." Though, in your case, it's more WWE. To point two, I'm trying not to personally attack you dude, but people like YOU are literally what's wrong with wrestling and casual wrestling fans. You know what the difference between Tito Santana and Hercules is? Tito Santana could go in the ring, get fans behind him as a fiery babyface, and didn't brush the top spot. He was a sturdy hand. Hercules Hernandez was a decent hand, but was 75% body. If Don Muraco and Hercules squared off, you could slide in any two other "Larger than Life guys" in there, and they would have the exact same match. Why the hell would I want to see that ad infinitum across 30 years of programming? Plus, if you wanna go Orton vs. Bryan, let me give you this. Daniel Bryan is a small man who can kick really REALLY hard. Randy Orton is a tall man who has a little more muscle on him. However tonight, Daniel Bryan got fired up by the crowd and even though the match started off slow, he helped to get everyone into it. Orton heard the crowd shitting on him and immediately went, "Well f*** you, I don't have to entertain you." Why do I want to support a man like that and NOT the guy before that? Because he's only a few inches taller than me? Sorry dude, but if a Daniel Bryan match doesn't entertain you, then you are in the slim minority. Wrestling should not be bodies anymore. It is not 1985, it is 2014. It's not real. It should at LEAST be exciting and athletic. As a fan of 80s WWF I feel you are criminally underselling both Hercules and Don Muraco. Those were two men who got pro wrestling in a way that many of the play actors in WWE today could never understand, imo. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 26, 2014 23:41:23 GMT -5
I'm not trying to anger you or what not, but you completely ignored the PPV level lengthy matches Orton and Bryan have had in the past year. They had 1 on smackdown last year, the Extreme Rules match on Raw, the 3 PPV matches, and the lengthy match in December on Raw. That is a lot of times to see 1 match. You can argue Cena and Orton have been done a lot and I won't disagree, but your statistic is leaving out something important that hurts your argument. At the end of the day, people are going to remember matches that main evented PPVs far more than they're going to remember ephemeral matches on Raw. Cena/Orton has been presented as a PPV main eventer for about 6 years now, and people don't care any more. A few TV matches over the course of one storyline isn't going to have the same impact. Even that's a bit odd to me because I don't believe people will remember their Battle ground or Night of Champion's matches over that extreme rules match that ended with Orton tapping or that great main event match that went like 30 minutes between these 2 at the end of Decemeber. I can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure those 2 matches stick out in people's mind more than PPV matches on a filler show. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 26, 2014 23:41:47 GMT -5
I used to rant and rave when WWE wouldn't push a guy I liked. Jericho, RVD, Christian, etc. But I always understood that the crowd was marking for the guys they were pushing so it made sense.
This makes no sense. The people in the buildings, in every city, they want Daniel Bryan. These are the casual fans, not the ever-hated internet fans. For the first time in ages, the "marks" and "smarks" are backing the same horse, and WWE apparently doesn't give a shit. Watching and listening to that crowd tonight was beyond surreal.
Never as a fan have I felt more ignored and taken for granted than I did tonight. I'm not mad, I'm heartbroken. I love WWE, have all my life. But they used to listen to us. Steve Austin wouldn't have amounted to shit in this WWE.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 26, 2014 23:42:51 GMT -5
Just imagine in the PPV ended with Daniel Bryan's music blazing through the arena, him chanting YES! The fans chanting YES! Everybody happy, energetic and into the show. That's how wrestling show be, fun and enjoyable. Right now I don't even feel watching RAW tomorrow. Well, I probably will just to see everyone's reaction, but if they f***in' do Orton/Batista, than I'm just going to f***in' shake my head in disgust.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:44:27 GMT -5
I bet they keep Bryan off TV tomorrow night. He's not been advertised for Raw at all locally. Maybe Cleveland will be the home of the "Night of YES" part 2. Kind of like they did with CM Punk and Brock after Wrestlemania 29? I honestly don't remember, did they? I was thinking of Bryan being left off Raw after WrestleMania 28, and the crowd hijacking Rock's promo and several other segments with YES chants. |
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 26, 2014 23:44:29 GMT -5
I'm not really shocked that, outside of the SOR deal and talk about streams, we've been pretty good in this thread so far. I can only imagine how some of the other wrestling forums are going right now.....
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 26, 2014 23:44:53 GMT -5
I used to rant and rave when WWE wouldn't push a guy I liked. Jericho, RVD, Christian, etc. But I always understood that the crowd was marking for the guys they were pushing so it made sense. This makes no sense. The people in the buildings, in every city, they want Daniel Bryan. These are the casual fans, not the ever-hated internet fans. For the first time in ages, the "marks" and "smarks" are backing the same horse, and WWE apparently doesn't give a shit. Watching and listening to that crowd tonight was beyond surreal. Never as a fan have I felt more ignored and taken for granted than I did tonight. I'm not mad, I'm heartbroken. I love WWE, have all my life. But they used to listen to us. Steve Austin wouldn't have amounted to shit in this WWE. If this is true then where were these casual fans watching SummerSlam this year? Because that did the second worst SummerSlam buyrate in history and Lesnar was on that show too. You book towards what's going to get you the best ratings and most pay-per-view buys, not crowd reactions. If the guy the crowd really loves is moving ratings and selling pay-per-views, that's when you give him the gold |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 26, 2014 23:45:25 GMT -5
I think I finally understand what they're doing.
Think about it, deep down they know that the next generation needs to be elevated, yet they keep pushing the nostalgia button because it pops ratings and makes money.
The best way for them to elevate the next generation, in their minds, is to make the previous generation the villains.
They know how passionate people are about pushing the younger talent, like Bryan, so they are fueling the fire by doing things like this.
They keep bringing in Hunter's friends and pushing them because they want, no, NEED you to hate them and crave their destruction.
They need us to develop a fierce hatred of the older guys, because they have decided the best way to get people to embrace the younger generation is not for them to just suddenly make them the status quo, they must have the younger generation take it by force, and the general audience won't embrace this unless the older generation "deserves" to be destroyed.
I believe they think the best way to get the casual fans to embrace the unfamiliar is for them to despise the familiar to the point where they HAVE to want them to ascend.
I don't think it's true, personally, I just believe this is their thought process.
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Post by Stu on Jan 26, 2014 23:45:38 GMT -5
Mods are keeping an eye on this thread, and I can tell all of you that we already found reasons to issue warnings. In the words of Walter White, tread lightly. This is just asking a question, but what here would entail a warning? Examples so far: 1: Using foul language to express their frustration. Some words were typed without being filtered, others were on pics. 2: Threatening to not order PPVs by way of streaming 3: Flaming others who have different opinions 4: Making smartass comments just to rile up others and start an argument |
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 26, 2014 23:46:03 GMT -5
Kind of like they did with CM Punk and Brock after Wrestlemania 29? I honestly don't remember, did they? I was thinking of Bryan being left off Raw after WrestleMania 28, and the crowd hijacking Rock's promo and several other segments with YES chants. Kept them both off the show, I remember being super pissed because obviously I was stoked to see my two favorite guys from Wrestlemania again the next night. There was an interview with Heyman where he was like "CM Punk will answer these questions.... next week". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:46:58 GMT -5
I've been on the fence about going to WrestleMania this year, but after tonight? The ends just don't justify the travel, booking, and price. Take it from a man who went to Mania 28 pumped to see Daniel Bryan, spending about $600 and driving 2000+ miles in 3 days...you've made a solid decision, sir. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 26, 2014 23:47:29 GMT -5
I'm not trying to anger you or what not, but you completely ignored the PPV level lengthy matches Orton and Bryan have had in the past year. They had 1 on smackdown last year, the Extreme Rules match on Raw, the 3 PPV matches, and the lengthy match in December on Raw. That is a lot of times to see 1 match. You can argue Cena and Orton have been done a lot and I won't disagree, but your statistic is leaving out something important that hurts your argument. I'm not saying Bryan/Orton hasn't been done a lot, the original thread it was in reply to seemed to have slanted the figures in a way that was detrimental to Bryan and Orton matches so I decided to go in the opposite direction and deliberately deliver a statistic that was detrimental to how people would view Orton/Cena matches. Personally, I don't care if something's been done to death. I'd love to see Cena vs. Punk at 'Mania and we've seen that a lot of times. My problem with Orton/Cena matches is I don't care about them. My post was really just to show how anyone can use the statistics to prove their point. That's fair, it's just my economic major instinct to attack a statistic I don't like  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:47:36 GMT -5
I swear, I'm going to set up a Paypal account and charge y'all for my therapy. Some of ya really need to remember, IT IS ONLY WRESTLING. It's still real to me, damnit! |
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Post by Stu on Jan 26, 2014 23:48:18 GMT -5
I'm not really shocked that, outside of the SOR deal and talk about streams, we've been pretty good in this thread so far. I can only imagine how some of the other wrestling forums are going right now..... Some comments had to be removed. |
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Post by Cry Baby on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:02 GMT -5
Bryan is in his 30's, why do people think hes the future? The future was sorted tonight with Roman Reigns You do realize that both Hogan and Austin were in their 30s when they got their most popular right?? 30s isn't that old in wrestling. Reigns is 28 - a whopping 4 years younger than Bryan. |
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:07 GMT -5
I swear, I'm going to set up a Paypal account and charge y'all for my therapy. Some of ya really need to remember, IT IS ONLY WRESTLING. Sorry, couldn't resist  |
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:07 GMT -5
As a fan of 80s WWF I feel you are criminally underselling both Hercules and Don Muraco. Those were two men who got pro wrestling in a way that many of the play actors in WWE today could never understand, imo. Eh, yeah, good point. Those were just the first two names that popped into my head. |
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