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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:13 GMT -5
I feel betrayed.
It feels like my best friend is drifting slowly away.
This hurts.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:29 GMT -5
This too shall pass. I know it upsets a lot of people, but the WWE really has been far, far worse off before. There are tons of things going right in the WWE. New guys are being pushed hard--and this was evident even tonight. They're not pushing DB like a lot of people would like--that sucks. In spite of tonight they're still far, far from burying the guy. There's still no reason to believe that he has a doomed future or anything. The positive outweighs the negative and things may yet look up for DB by WrestleMania. We'll just have to see. I admire the enthusiasm but everyone has heard this every year. Ryback finished in the final 2 last year. Everyone said how lovely it was that he was getting a big push and he'd be WWE Champion soon. Cena won the Rumble. What's changed since then? Roman Reigns was incredible tonight and it'd be just great if he got a mega push and would be the next guy but WWE hasn't truly gotten behind a new guy since Cena and Batista in 2005 and every road to Wrestlemania since then has felt like the exact same tired old routine. It's not like no one else is over enough to take the top spot, Daniel Bryan is comfortably the most cheered for face in the company and he jobbed in the undercard tonight (not that I minded at the time). There is absolutely nothing to be positive about here because WWE is happy to rely on the big names from the last 15 years until they're too crippled to actually wrestle. My point is going to offer you any solace, but there have been a handful of new guys who have been treated as on the Cena/Batista/Orton level in recent years. Sheamus, Punk, Bryan, ADR, Miz...and even Barrett and Ryback for a cup of coffee. While the WWE hasn't had them completely replace Cena as THE top guy, they've certainly been treated as top guys and have gotten memorable moments and strong, sustained pushes for the most part. They've had moments. There was a period where they wouldn't have even let those guys get over. I do believe that a number of them could be just as big, if not bigger, than Cena if the WWE put their full power behind them. They haven't yet. That sucks. Tonight also did a lot to help make Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns. The SHIELD are another group of "new blood" that's been pushed strong over the past year. Really, all that would need to change for a lot of people to change their perspective on the WWE's perceived inability to make new starts would be to just have Cena and Orton go on vacation for 6-10 months. That's not fair to Orton, really, because he was on the back-burner for what felt like several, several years. Cena's really the guy that they just don't want to ever, ever live without. It's almost like they're more addicted to him as THE guy than they were Hulk Hogan. WWE knows that the young generation is the back bone of their company--it just so happens that older, well-established attractions make them more money. They--to their credit--do try to balance this out so that everybody shines. They just kind of fail at it, from time to time. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:40 GMT -5
I used to rant and rave when WWE wouldn't push a guy I liked. Jericho, RVD, Christian, etc. But I always understood that the crowd was marking for the guys they were pushing so it made sense. This makes no sense. The people in the buildings, in every city, they want Daniel Bryan. These are the casual fans, not the ever-hated internet fans. For the first time in ages, the "marks" and "smarks" are backing the same horse, and WWE apparently doesn't give a shit. Watching and listening to that crowd tonight was beyond surreal. Never as a fan have I felt more ignored and taken for granted than I did tonight. I'm not mad, I'm heartbroken. I love WWE, have all my life. But they used to listen to us. Steve Austin wouldn't have amounted to shit in this WWE. If this is true then where were these casual fans watching SummerSlam this year? Because that did the second worst SummerSlam buyrate in history and Lesnar was on that show too. You book towards what's going to get you the best ratings and most pay-per-view buys, not crowd reactions. If the guy the crowd really loves is moving ratings and selling pay-per-views, that's when you give him the gold Listen to fans after Daniel Bryan hit the knee on John Cena, that kind of reaction is what matters, buyrates be damned. And besides, if they build up Bryan to be a main event player, maybe he will start to being in more buyrates. You can't hold a guy down because buyrates are lower than usual on the FIRST PPV he main events. That's just ridiculous. And Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar headlined WM 19, the lowest buyrate for a WM ever. Kurt was still a main eventer after that show, and Brock is booked like an unstoppable monster today. So buyrates don't mean shit. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:42 GMT -5
OK, I've been sitting here on my bed for an hour or so in contemplation, like I usually do when booking goes awry. I'm afraid that I might have to temporarily break my vow of positivity to maintain honesty.
Normally, I'm a chill guy, and WWE has its place in the priorities of my life, which is not that high. That said, I won't lie...
It hurts.
It hurts to see a guy I support, one of the few that I've actually thrown support behind financially and one that I can clearly see that the majority of fans are also supporting, seemingly not getting the opportunities he deserves, be it through stubborness, ignorance, malice or some combination of all three. And it's now getting to the point where it's starting to hurt the rest of the roster. I have never had much of an opinion about Rey Mysterio one way or the other, but I have never felt so bad for him as when he came out at #30 and the penny dropped that Bryan wasn't even in the match. Rey Mysterio shouldn't have to burn for WWE's booking, and neither should anyone else on the roster. But it's getting to that point.
Bryan will go on. He's been struck down again and will become even more powerful than we can possibly imagine AGAIN. But I'm not sure if many here will go on. I'm not sure if I will go on. People actually upping and walking away might be the only message that gets through to them that things need to change. And for real this time.
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Post by Cry Baby on Jan 26, 2014 23:50:10 GMT -5
I've been on the fence about going to WrestleMania this year, but after tonight? The ends just don't justify the travel, booking, and price. Take it from a man who went to Mania 28 pumped to see Daniel Bryan, spending about $600 and driving 2000+ miles in 3 days...you've made a solid decision, sir. A few months ago I was genuinely considering saving up and buying WM tickets, then flying from the UK for it. So glad I never went through with that idea. |
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 26, 2014 23:50:17 GMT -5
I'm more shocked that people honestly thought that WWE wasn't stubborn enough to book that finish anyway. It's their MO at this point:  |
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Post by Jiren on Jan 26, 2014 23:50:26 GMT -5
it's times like these where i'm thankful I hardly watch WWE nowdays (Old school dvds aside).
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2014 23:50:28 GMT -5
You do realize that both Hogan and Austin were in their 30s when they got their most popular right?? 30s isn't that old in wrestling. Reigns is 28 - a whopping 4 years younger than Bryan. There's also the fact that actual ages don't matter. It's all about TV ages. Bryan comes off as a fresh face. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 26, 2014 23:51:17 GMT -5
Huh, RAW in Cleveland tomorrow. Wonder how they'll react?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:51:39 GMT -5
I honestly don't remember, did they? I was thinking of Bryan being left off Raw after WrestleMania 28, and the crowd hijacking Rock's promo and several other segments with YES chants. Kept them both off the show, I remember being super pissed because obviously I was stoked to see my two favorite guys from Wrestlemania again the next night. There was an interview with Heyman where he was like "CM Punk will answer these questions.... next week". Ah yes, I remember now. Especially with Punk. Because the next week he did his embattled "I hate this business sometimes man" Bret/HBK bit and turned face just by looking sad. And little kids were chanting for him over Undertaker, it was crazy. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 26, 2014 23:51:46 GMT -5
I'm more shocked that people honestly thought that WWE wasn't stubborn enough to book that finish anyway. It's their MO at this point: I gotta keep hope alive. I mean in May 1995 it was all Savio all the time but just 7 months later you had Bret Hart defending the world title again. Sea changes can happen. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 26, 2014 23:52:01 GMT -5
If this is true then where were these casual fans watching SummerSlam this year? Because that did the second worst SummerSlam buyrate in history and Lesnar was on that show too. You book towards what's going to get you the best ratings and most pay-per-view buys, not crowd reactions. If the guy the crowd really loves is moving ratings and selling pay-per-views, that's when you give him the gold Listen to fans after Daniel Bryan hit the knee on John Cena, that kind of reaction is what matters, buyrates be damned. And besides, if they build up Bryan to be a main event player, maybe he will start to being in more buyrates. You can't hold a guy down because buyrates are lower than usual on the FIRST PPV he main events. That's just ridiculous. No, but it's not like he did anything in the next 3 shows he main evented either. My point is you can't just say "screw buyrates, book to crowd reactions" if you have someone that IS drawing the pay-per-view buys. Granted we will see what Batista does from here on out, but it seemed like on Monday that his return garnered the highest 8 PM to 9 PM Raw viewers outside of Raw 1000 so who knows |
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Post by Waffel113 on Jan 26, 2014 23:52:10 GMT -5
Certain forums which I frequent have been going bloody bananas over it, so for the most part I'm impressed with how calm we've been over this.
EDIT: AND CANE DEWEY IS SHOOTING BROTHER. Don't have a link, but just check his Facebook and you'll know what I mean.
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Post by slappy on Jan 26, 2014 23:52:28 GMT -5
Huh, RAW in Cleveland tomorrow. Wonder how they'll react? "Let's go Sheamus." |
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 26, 2014 23:52:44 GMT -5
I'm not really shocked that, outside of the SOR deal and talk about streams, we've been pretty good in this thread so far. I can only imagine how some of the other wrestling forums are going right now..... Some comments had to be removed. Which is understandable, there's always going to be a few that go a bit too far. Honestly I do think we have a pretty decent community here for the most part, and the best mods. I guarantee you there are a few wrestling forums that are being burned to the ground right now, and I doubt they're singing Nickelback. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:52:58 GMT -5
Apologies if any of this has already been said - it's late and I don't want to wade through 17 pages of outrage.
Speaking as one of the foremost "Bryan looked like an utter chump during his Orton feud" people, let me say: him losing to Wyatt was the right idea. As tonight has shown, Bryan is basically bulletproof at this point in terms of crowd heat. Losing to Wyatt doesn't hurt Bryan at all and is a huge boost for Wyatt in terms of credibility, though truthfully the match made both men look like a million bucks.
Now, as for Bryan not being in the Rumble: yeah, it's frustrating, but it's not the end of the world. In all honestly, I'm more confident than ever now that WWE is going to give him the ball and run with it at some point, because it's pretty much impossible that they'll be able to ignore weeks of crowds shitting on their main events.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 26, 2014 23:53:15 GMT -5
if Dean Ambrose didn't have two numbers then Daniel Bryan could have been in the Rumble
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 26, 2014 23:53:49 GMT -5
Huh, RAW in Cleveland tomorrow. Wonder how they'll react? The Miz, the Browns, and the Cavaliers come from Cleveland. They'll probably be cheering Batista to show support.  |
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 26, 2014 23:54:17 GMT -5
Huh, RAW in Cleveland tomorrow. Wonder how they'll react? I feel so bad for Cleveland. First the Browns Head Coach debacle over the past month and now this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:54:34 GMT -5
if Dean Ambrose didn't have two numbers then Daniel Bryan could have been in the Rumble Ambrose said that he had all of the numbers, I feel like he would have had a better shot at winning with those odds. |
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