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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:30:23 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan puts on good matches, makes the crowd cheer for him and has a catchphrase that's super fun to chant. He's been responsible for some of the loudest cheers I've seen in forever. But he's not a good sports entertainer. And this weightclass nonsense is irrelevant. A major part of his character is that he is a better wrestler than the big guys, that he wins by tying them up in knots and making them quit. Do real promotions have weight classes? Sure. But in the gym everyone rolls with everyone. Last week one of my training partners, a 135 pound fighter who is LITERALLY nicknamed Mini by us, tapped me out. I'm 250 pounds and, I like to think, a reasonably powerful dude. He's just a better grappler than I am. And that makes him easier to root for. It makes me want to cheer him on at fights because I see how hard this tiny little dude works in the gym against giant dude's even if the guys he fight are supposedly the same weight (You wouldn't believe how big some guys can get when they rehydrate). Look. If Daniel Bryan is not a good sports entertainer I don't know what you want. Being tall matters a hell of a lot less than being interesting and good at what you do. Someone who entertains his audience in a sports-like environment isn't a good sports entertainer? Right. This was a response to something SOR said earlier in the thread. Bryan is a fantastic, top level sports entertainer who is good at everything in the job. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 0:30:33 GMT -5
Who say's Orton needed to be Champion at WM? You could easily have had Orton lose to belt to Brock in the Chamber, and have Bryan win the Rumble. Brock Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan, two great wrestlers in a fresh match-up. . Considering Punk vs Lesnar had a great story going into it and did nothing for SummerSlam (apparently because casuals still don't take Punk seriously), there's no way in hell they'd put Bryan against the guy Either way, Orton being champion at Mania to me has to happen because otherwise his reign of terror serves literally no purpose. At least if he loses at Mania it's a big relief moment that Orton finally lost the title after (essentially) holding it since August, where as dropping it at the Chamber is a matter of why the hell did he have to have the title for so long if he wasn't going to drop it at Mania The thing is, the fans don't really care about Orton at all. Him losing it to Batista will just add to their apathy, considering that Batista doesn't truly deserve it. Orton isn't the more over heel, he's hardly booed as a heel. This isn't like when Triple H was facing Batista, and he was hated. Orton got hardly no reaction tonight. It's not a reign of terror, it's a reign of boredom. And there you go, back to the buyrate again. In this business, you gotta take chances in life. Just because Bryan has ONE bad buyrate doesn't mean you shun him from having a main event push. And besides, it'll be WrestleMania. That's guaranteed to get a good/great buyrate. Jut imagine if we got Brock/Bryan, Cena/Taker, Triple H/Punk and Orton/Batista for control of the company. There's you 4 marquee match-ups. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 0:31:44 GMT -5
Considering Punk vs Lesnar had a great story going into it and did nothing for SummerSlam (apparently because casuals still don't take Punk seriously), there's no way in hell they'd put Bryan against the guy Either way, Orton being champion at Mania to me has to happen because otherwise his reign of terror serves literally no purpose. At least if he loses at Mania it's a big relief moment that Orton finally lost the title after (essentially) holding it since August, where as dropping it at the Chamber is a matter of why the hell did he have to have the title for so long if he wasn't going to drop it at Mania The thing is, the fans don't really care about Orton at all. Him losing it to Batista will just add to their apathy, considering that Batista doesn't truly deserve it. Orton isn't the more over heel, he's hardly booed as a heel. This isn't like when Triple H was facing Batista, and he was hated. Orton got hardly no reaction tonight. It's not a reign of terror, it's a reign of boredom. And there you go, back to the buyrate again. In this business, you gotta take chances in life. Just because Bryan has ONE bad buyrate doesn't mean you shun him from having a main event push. And besides, it'll be WrestleMania. That's guaranteed to get a good/great buyrate. Jut imagine if we got Brock/Bryan, Cena/Taker, Triple H/Punk and Orton/Batista for control of the company. There's you 4 marquee match-ups. I'd rather see Batista vs. Brock for the title if Batista could get into good shape but that's just me |
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Post by Y2M on Jan 27, 2014 0:31:56 GMT -5
Just woke up to this- not surprised at all but still disappointed. Could someone please give me a bit more detailed account of what actually happened in terms of crowd reactions at the end of the Rumble? Rey Mysterio came out to #30 and the crowd just started this loud, sustaining boo that was present for the rest of the match. They may have reacted to the Shield eliminations, but the rest of it was just booing and Daniel Bryan chants. The crowd started backing Roman Reigns when it came down to him and Batista, but then Batista chucked him and they just kept booing. They should have saved Sheamus for #30. His return probably would have drowned out some of the negative reaction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:31:57 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan puts on good matches, makes the crowd cheer for him and has a catchphrase that's super fun to chant. He's been responsible for some of the loudest cheers I've seen in forever. But he's not a good sports entertainer. And this weightclass nonsense is irrelevant. A major part of his character is that he is a better wrestler than the big guys, that he wins by tying them up in knots and making them quit. Do real promotions have weight classes? Sure. But in the gym everyone rolls with everyone. Last week one of my training partners, a 135 pound fighter who is LITERALLY nicknamed Mini by us, tapped me out. I'm 250 pounds and, I like to think, a reasonably powerful dude. He's just a better grappler than I am. And that makes him easier to root for. It makes me want to cheer him on at fights because I see how hard this tiny little dude works in the gym against giant dude's even if the guys he fight are supposedly the same weight (You wouldn't believe how big some guys can get when they rehydrate). Look. If Daniel Bryan is not a good sports entertainer I don't know what you want. Being tall matters a hell of a lot less than being interesting and good at what you do. There are people who will never care for someone because of their size, no matter how good they are. That's why Demetrious Johnson, who many people say was the best fighter of 2013 is never going to be put on a pay-per-view because the 125 pound division doesn't draw viewers since a lot of people view them as "midgets" beating each other up. I mean this guy absolutely f***ed up the 2nd best fighter in his weight class in December to one of the lowest ratings UFC's ever gotten on Fox Or: Maybe it's because he's a void of personality who hasn't been marketed well and we have no reason to care about him. I remember when people were saying the same things about the lightweights until BJ Penn started drawing fine. As said earlier in the thread, Pac and Mayweather have no trouble making money. It's all in the promotion getting behind them and them making us care. Well, Bryan's made us care. |
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jan 27, 2014 0:32:12 GMT -5
Just woke up to this- not surprised at all but still disappointed. Could someone please give me a bit more detailed account of what actually happened in terms of crowd reactions at the end of the Rumble? Batista got booed in his entrance, and there were some scattered Daniel Bryan chants in the second half but the crowd largely was popping for most everything and really into it. Then number thirty was Rey Mysterio and the crowd immediately turned violent, chanting for Bryan and booing the match for the rest of the show outside of a very, very loud, "Roman Reigns!" chant when it came down to just him and Batista. Sort of made for an interesting contrast with the reaction for the Cena / Orton match. They heckled that whole thing and did the usual random chants and all of that (though they mostly chanted for Bryan). At the end of the Rumble though, they weren't going for jokey chants, they were just pissed. Thanks Lizuka. I'm absolutely not surprised by any of that, especially the crowd shitting on the end of the Rumble when Bryan didn't come out at number 30. It really just comes down to outright ignorance on WWE's part. I do love the idea that someone else had of Bad News Barrett being 30 instead. It would have gotten epic heat, and would have been downright hilarious as well. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 27, 2014 0:34:07 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio came out to #30 and the crowd just started this loud, sustaining boo that was present for the rest of the match. They may have reacted to the Shield eliminations, but the rest of it was just booing and Daniel Bryan chants. The crowd started backing Roman Reigns when it came down to him and Batista, but then Batista chucked him and they just kept booing. They should have saved Sheamus for #30. His return probably would have drowned out some of the negative reaction. I highly doubt that. If anything, it would have been worse because it would have just reminded everyone of 18 seconds. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 0:34:26 GMT -5
There are people who will never care for someone because of their size, no matter how good they are. That's why Demetrious Johnson, who many people say was the best fighter of 2013 is never going to be put on a pay-per-view because the 125 pound division doesn't draw viewers since a lot of people view them as "midgets" beating each other up. I mean this guy absolutely f***ed up the 2nd best fighter in his weight class in December to one of the lowest ratings UFC's ever gotten on Fox Or: Maybe it's because he's a void of personality who hasn't been marketed well and we have no reason to care about him. I remember when people were saying the same things about the lightweights until BJ Penn started drawing fine. As said earlier in the thread, Pac and Mayweather have no trouble making money. It's all in the promotion getting behind them and them making us care. Well, Bryan's made us care. Floyd Mayweather's a different case though because he's always the bad guy and the bad guy can get away with being any size. Hell, I think Bryan's a better heel myself because he's amazing at being a smug sack of shit while looking like a dweeb, which works perfectly as a heel. |
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 0:35:57 GMT -5
I drew #20 in a RR tattoo lottery. #20 was El Torito. Im less frustrated by the El Torito tattoo ill be getting than I am with this PPV. I'm sorry, man... But this made me laugh.  I laughed like a mad man. I am FAR happier with this than if it were Miz. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:37:47 GMT -5
The WWE messed up by not giving him a major push over the fall while Cena was out. Now he's just a victim of bad timing. The WWE always give priority to big names during Mania season, that's nothing new and it becomes even more apparent when it's WM 30. Combine that with all of the stars that the WWE is getting involved as they hype the debut of the Network and it's just logistically impossible to have them all getting priority as we lead up to Mania. They legit need big things and time for Cena, Batista, Orton, Undertaker(if he comes back), Sting(if he comes in), Punk, Brock, Hogan, Ultimate Warrior(if he has a match), and who knows who else. So with all of these big names coming in/back and obviously getting featured prominently Bryan kind of gets lost in the shuffle as far as top matches/programs at Mania go. The good thing is that the longer that it appears that the WWE is doing Bryan wrong the more over Bryan is going to be. He's made regardless of what they do with him for the foreseeable future. His overness isn't going to fizzle out and he's still going to get good angles and spots on TV/PPV. It's much ado about nothing really, IMO.
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Post by jdsnelson on Jan 27, 2014 0:38:36 GMT -5
I have a friend who ordered the show because he loves Rumble matches, wanted to see the Outlaws and got some people to chip in. He hasn't really been watching wrestling regularly for years.
He called me after the show and asked why the hell Bryan wasn't in the Rumble match. He said the first match was far and away the best on the card, everyone clearly wanted to see Bryan and that he saw Bryan as the anti-douchebag.
I guess my point is that, yes Batista moves the needle and Bryan doesn't. But if WWE would get behind Bryan more, I think it would bring in new fans, maybe bring back old fans. I'm not even saying Bryan had to win the Rumble match, he should have at least been in there.
I want to make it clear I will still watch WWE on Tuesday (not tomorrow because I don't have cable, I'll watch the 90 minute huluplus version), I'll still pay 10 bucks for Mania. I think Daniel Bryan will be fine. I even think he'll probably win the title again before 2015. But tonight was kind of a downer.
I really wanted to cheer for Reigns at the end there but felt bad. Him winning shouldn't be overshadowed by the fans wanting something else more. That should be his big moment at the 2015 Rumble. Reigns looked awesome btw. You had a great pool of talent there with him, Sheamus (yeah I like Sheamus), Punk, Ambrose, Rollins, Cesaro, Harper, etc. but it was overshadowed by the fact that Bryan wasn't even in the match when he should have been.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 27, 2014 0:39:34 GMT -5
To keep my skills at least somewhat used while waiting to take my license test I've been taking my pulse and blood pressure every night. Lately they've been around 110/66 and 54. Just now they were 112/66 and 58. I blame WWE!
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Post by Stu on Jan 27, 2014 0:42:04 GMT -5
In your case, there are two reasons: 1: You constantly remind us how much you dislike him, even in appreciation threads. As if you want to be known as the resident Bryan hater. 2: You can sometimes be antagonistic. In this thread, for example, you could have simply said "I'm not a fan of Daniel Bryan, so him not being in the Rumble doesn't bother me that much." Instead, you wrote "I laughed." I actually make a habit of avoiding Daniel Bryan appreciation threads and don't recall ever going into one just to be a dick that's one guy I don't want to be (if I'm wrong you'll have to remind me). The "I laughed" thing was just a joke/follow up to what I said earlier those kinds of posts aren't meant to be flamey and I'm sorry if it came off that way. Just tone down your dislike for him and avoid threads about him, and you'll be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:42:15 GMT -5
Or: Maybe it's because he's a void of personality who hasn't been marketed well and we have no reason to care about him. I remember when people were saying the same things about the lightweights until BJ Penn started drawing fine. As said earlier in the thread, Pac and Mayweather have no trouble making money. It's all in the promotion getting behind them and them making us care. Well, Bryan's made us care. Floyd Mayweather's a different case though because he's always the bad guy and the bad guy can get away with being any size. Hell, I think Bryan's a better heel myself because he's amazing at being a smug sack of shit while looking like a dweeb, which works perfectly as a heel. And Manny? Hell, one of UFC's biggest draws is GSP and he's not a particularly big guy. |
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jan 27, 2014 0:44:05 GMT -5
The WWE messed up by not giving him a major push over the fall while Cena was out. Now he's just a victim of bad timing. The WWE always give priority to big names during Mania season, that's nothing new I know right? He should have definitely went over Cena tonight in the rumble match. Wait, what? It's 2014? This isn't about Ryback!? Well how about that.... |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 0:44:24 GMT -5
Floyd Mayweather's a different case though because he's always the bad guy and the bad guy can get away with being any size. Hell, I think Bryan's a better heel myself because he's amazing at being a smug sack of shit while looking like a dweeb, which works perfectly as a heel. And Manny? Hell, one of UFC's biggest draws is GSP and he's not a particularly big guy. Now that I can't explain. I can't stand GSP at all and he's one of the most boring fighters on the planet, but keeps drawing money. I assume it has to do with Canada but I have no idea why else. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 0:44:45 GMT -5
Are we really debating size? There was a long period of time where Rey Mysterio was one of the most over talents on the roster. Size doesn't mean a damn thing.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 0:48:12 GMT -5
Are we really debating size? There was a long period of time where Rey Mysterio was one of the most over talents on the roster. Size doesn't mean a damn thing. I'm not saying it does for everyone, but there are people who still do care about size. I keep referencing a time where I was watching one of the TNA Family Feud episodes with my family and the ones who knew next to nothing about wrestling assumed that Matt Morgan was the biggest star and that Jay Lethal looked way too small to be a wrestler (and he was pretty ripped). There will always be people who look at certain guys like this no matter what. Can be unfortunate at times, but you can't do anything about it |
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 27, 2014 0:48:32 GMT -5
I was gonna get the network, ans everything.They went and f***ed it all. By WWE, it's like 2008 all over again! I'm done!
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 27, 2014 0:50:06 GMT -5
Cue the "see you next week" post in 5... 4... 3... 2...
By the way, I'm just joking.
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