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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 27, 2014 1:32:40 GMT -5
Thinking about it more, its the Zack Ryder thing times 1000. Guy gets himself over, has fans chanting his name in spite of the booking, and the opportunity is squandered because they don't feel like listening. And just like then, I'm left to wonder what kind of message it sends to all the younger wrestlers who are told to get themselves over, and then seeing that it doesn't amount to shit because they're not the people the company wants over.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jan 27, 2014 1:33:45 GMT -5
Love the stick I get because I'm not part of the 'Im outraged Daniel Bryan wasn't booked in 3 matches" camp. It's all fine by me. He was in the most entertaining feud of recent weeks and a great match. I'm sorry he didn't win the Rumble, the world title and save April from Channel 6 News from the evil Shredder on the same night too Maybe if you weren't so condescending to everybody then people wouldn't get on your case about your opinions like that. I may not like John Cena, but I don't gleefully take delight when he loses a match just to spite fans of him. |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 27, 2014 1:37:03 GMT -5
This was, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst night of Bret Hart's life.
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Post by Stu on Jan 27, 2014 1:37:54 GMT -5
Love the stick I get because I'm not part of the 'Im outraged Daniel Bryan wasn't booked in 3 matches" camp. It's all fine by me. He was in the most entertaining feud of recent weeks and a great match. I'm sorry he didn't win the Rumble, the world title and save April from Channel 6 News from the evil Shredder on the same night too Will you stop? Will all of you please stop! |
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 27, 2014 1:41:03 GMT -5
You know what the issue really boils down to?
Nothing amazing ever happens.
That's what a lot of people wanted out of the idea of Bryan getting into the Royal Rumble. That a Moment would happen with it. It happened with Bryan turning on Wyatt in the cage match, it was a Moment that people could get behind. It set the crowd on fire, and it would be shown on TV for years to come. And this happening, Bryan fighting his way into the PPV, against The Authority's expectations, fed up with it, and winning for the people, it would have been a Moment bigger than Cena's unexpected reappearance at the RR. It would have been a Moment the people could have owned, told their kids about, and thought of forever.
But Moments just don't happen anymore. This Rumble was pretty much in the books even before the first bell. Every dirtsheet had called that Batista would win, Daniel wouldn't be in the Rumble (even he said it himself), that Cena/Wyatt would be at WM, and that Bryan would have to settle with a match with Sheamus (that he might not even have a chance to get his defeat back from WM28). The WWE, for whatever reason, won't take the chance to make The Moment happen anymore. Whether they don't believe in Bryan, whether they are upset with the hijacking of their shows by the YES chants, or they genuinely frightened to take any chances this close to the launch of the WWE Network, no one will ever be sure. Only those inside know, and we'll never know what their mentality is in all this. Sadly, it feels like the idea of the WWE is being greatly outstripped by reality, and it's a shame that a company that made it's name on Moments is now too gutless to embrace making something incredible happen in this day and age.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jan 27, 2014 1:44:08 GMT -5
Thinking about it more, its the Zack Ryder thing times 1000. Guy gets himself over, has fans chanting his name in spite of the booking, and the opportunity is squandered because they don't feel like listening. And just like then, I'm left to wonder what kind of message it sends to all the younger wrestlers who are told to get themselves over, and then seeing that it doesn't amount to shit because they're not the people the company wants over. And with Ryder, it all boiled down to ratings I think. The crowd LOVED Ryder AND his merch, but the ratings for his angles? Not that great. The Ryder Revolution is when I think the whole "Crowd SUPER MEGA LOVES THE GUY, but ratings were't Attitude Era Austin/Rock levels so we can't push him". There's no "Oh let's give this guy GOOD angles and feuds to help get him over with the TV audience", they just decided to throw stupid shit at him and hope he leads to the boom period. Which is kinda stupid when they're pushing the heatless ratings poison Randy Orton and Del Rio. But I guess if Hunter has a boner for you, you can be a f***ing panda bear and be a champion. |
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Jan 27, 2014 1:45:20 GMT -5
I felt pretty deflated after Bryan wasn't in the Rumble, I'll admit, and though I at first liked that the crowd was showing their support for Bryan, I feel like it's just the type of thing that is going to provoke spite.
Bryan is a polarizing figure here and elsewhere, and honestly, much of it has to do with his fanbase. Bryan is a completely organic self-made superstar. He has wrestled to silence, he has had great matches, he has been in silly skits, he has main evented shows, basically everything he has done, he has done everything the RIGHT way. That's why people like him and relate to him. There's no hint of the bad attitudes or politic you shear about in pro wrestling, there's no sense that he's half-assing his work, there's a distinct feeling that he loves his job and would do it even if he wasn't in the WWE. This is what everyone wants in an employee, a friend, a mate, or s stranger. This is Bryan's appeal. And the reason why his fanbase is so vocal now is because here is someone that does everything the right way, gains organic respect and acceptance to a degree where if you watch the crowd RAW or SD, you'd figure he is the star of the show. And yet, all this goes out the window. Fans don't like to see that.
And you know what? This is not a Daniel Bryan thing at the end of the day, it could be applied to any and everyone that has passed through the WWE. Guys or girls that work hard and get over on their own merits, should be pushed. It doesn't matter if it is Kofi Kingston, Big Show, Aksana, Adam Rose, or John Cena (examples I'm using to incorporate the entire spectrum of WWE) if you have the ovation Bryan gets on TV, you should be pushed accordingly.
I know a lot of people who aren't into this groundswell for Bryan are of the opinion that this support Bryan is getting is harmful for WWE, as it promotes "the fans complaining until they get what they want" but honestly, if Bryan won the title tomorrow, it's not like he would have to be booked as an unstoppable superhero in order to appease the fans, he would only have to be treated with the same type of respect by the company that the fans are already showing. He would be over until the fans wanted a change, and the whole cycle would resume again. Roman Reigns might be next, or Dean Ambrose, or Rusev, or Sami Zayn, who knows. Fans want Bryan now because they want him now, not because they have ulterior motives to take down or embarrass the WWE. But WWE is leaving them no choice.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jan 27, 2014 1:45:23 GMT -5
I'm thinking people that think that Dave Batista is a hit for the casuals and that Bryan only appeals to Hardcore fans might want to look at WWE's Facebook page. These fans are as close to the so-called casual audience as one can find, and even they are shitting all over the show. People crapped all over Battleground too but they all came back True but, sooner or later they're going to stop coming back |
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 27, 2014 1:45:24 GMT -5
And the funny thing is, the ones who should be taking advantage of this should be TNA, and there's not a goddamn thing they can do about it.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 27, 2014 1:48:43 GMT -5
I remember the last time I was really, really bummed out about wrestling. It was a time a lot of you might not sympathize with, but it was special to me.
Bradshaw had just come back with a completely different gimmick to feud against Eddie Guerrero. He was JBL--the Million Dollar Man crossed with JR Ewing. People on the internet -hated- it. They crapped on it so bad, but I remember just thinking it was a very entertaining gimmick. Needless to say, defending him branded you as somebody who didn't understand wrestling properly--but I did, alongside a very small band of others.
Everybody was crapping all over an idea of an Eddie/"Bradshaw" match. There was no way that it was going to be good.
Except that it was. It was a freakish bloodbath, but it also a hard hitting brawl that told a good story. In the middle of the match, I thought to myself, "This is JBL's last shot at ever making it big as a singles guy and he's going to do it!"
He lost the match at the end, even though he beat Eddie to a bloody pulp. It was an epic brawl.
I remember sitting outside that night and looking at the stars thinking... In 5 years, nobody will remember this match and he'll never get the credit that he deserves It's just not fair.
I just knew his push was over after that.
Time went on and his push grew--despite a very negative online reaction to him. As time went on, he became appreciate for his mic skills and ability as a brawler to the point that everybody remembers him pretty fondly and he had even had a great title run.
Beyond Eddie's untimely death and the Benoit debacle, I haven't really been upset about wrestling since then and I probably never will again--beyond untimely deaths.
Completely different situations...but things turned out OK for JBL and things will turn out just fine for DB. In fact, he's already in a great position and I have (misplaced?)faith that he'll get the big run he deserves in the near future. The events of tonight don't change that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 1:49:52 GMT -5
Will all of you please stop! He can have you all taken out of here in a minute! |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 27, 2014 1:53:28 GMT -5
You know what the issue really boils down to? Nothing amazing ever happens. It's been a couple years, but CM Punk winning the title at MITB was definitely a grand moment. Everybody knew he was leaving and everybody thought the best case scenario for him would be to beat Cena and then drop the title to Del Rio. Except he shattered everybody's expectations and won. He walked out as champion. I know some people didn't like how his return was handled--but that doesn't change how epic the moment was. It was amazing. A clean, sober, healthy Jake the Snake returned to RAW just a few weeks ago for a great, amazing moment. Everybody was heralding Bryan's face turn a few weeks ago as an amazing, unforgettable moment. It was amazing. I think it's fair to say that amazing moments still happen. |
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 1:54:46 GMT -5
I take solace in seeing people like Foley and Sid completely shit on the show as well.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 27, 2014 1:55:44 GMT -5
Taking a positive from the situation, it's got to be really nice for Bryan to know how much support the fans have for him. If the office won't reward his hard work, at least he gets positive affirmation from the audience. He already knew that. I have a saying that I've acquired as a Buffalo Bills fan, "Moral victories do not equal actual victories." |
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Post by The Heenan Family on Jan 27, 2014 1:58:50 GMT -5
Moments happen but there's a lot of mediocre television hours invested between them. It makes the journey longer and when they don't seize an opportunity, it makes it that much worse.
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Post by europeanuppercut on Jan 27, 2014 2:04:41 GMT -5
part of me is grasping at anything i can think of, like an orton/batista/bryan triple threat at 'mania where bryan overcomes the odds and beats both of hhh's golden boys. i've had a lot of faith in the wwe for a while, and thought it was going to pay off tonight... and it didn't. there's a slight, slight hope in me still.
but until i'm proven there's good reason to have that hope, i am thoroughly bummed out tonight. here's to an absolute hostile takeover of monday night raw tomorrow night in ohio.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 27, 2014 2:06:01 GMT -5
You know what the issue really boils down to? Nothing amazing ever happens. It's been a couple years, but CM Punk winning the title at MITB was definitely a grand moment. Everybody knew he was leaving and everybody thought the best case scenario for him would be to beat Cena and then drop the title to Del Rio. Except he shattered everybody's expectations and won. He walked out as champion. I know some people didn't like how his return was handled--but that doesn't change how epic the moment was. It was amazing. A clean, sober, healthy Jake the Snake returned to RAW just a few weeks ago for a great, amazing moment. Everybody was heralding Bryan's face turn a few weeks ago as an amazing, unforgettable moment. It was amazing. I think it's fair to say that amazing moments still happen. I think a problem is that the WWE doesn't know how to build off those. Punk walking away with the title was the most amazing thing the WWE's done in 10 years, and what happens? He's back with the company less than a month later. If WWE wanted to take a chance, they would have let him defend his belt in ROH, in Japan, even if it was a few months, while they continue on with Cena as a paper champ. But nope, few weeks later, he's harassing Trips at SDCC, and gets goaded back to the company. Jake was very nice to see return, but wouldn't it have been even better if he had a spot in the RR, DDT'ing fools before softly being eliminated? And we all saw what has happened to Daniel since the turn. It feels like there's no attempts to prolong the magic. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 27, 2014 2:14:30 GMT -5
Moments do happen. A moment happened with Bryan as recently as two weeks ago, or however long ago that cage match with Bray was. WWE has just lost the capacity to change their plans.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 27, 2014 2:14:44 GMT -5
Extremely wishful thinking, but it's too bad that the fans who have tickets for the show tomorrow wouldn't picket the show. Nothing would look more embarrassing for WWE then a sparsely attended Raw. Of course, not a lot of fans are going to eat the loss, so if Foley or Sid were actually wanted to help make a difference, whether that would mean stationing a meet and greet along with a few others, maybe they could help make a difference with what is wrong with wrestling right now.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5
Welcome to the new Kayfabe.
Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.
Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.
And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.
It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.
This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.
I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.
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