The All Purpose Daniel Bryan Booking Thread

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

There does seem to be a possibility of "stupid like a fox" coming to play here, but it's not worth the stress.

[BRAINFADE]

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

I really, truly hope this is the case.

[Toates Madhackrviper]

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

God I hope you're right. But I've lost all faith personally. And judging by how many other people are doing the same, perhaps (if you are right) the WWE has taken this whole crazy meta "new kayfabe" thing a little too far? As in kayfabing their own fanbase is actually going to affect business negatively?

[Society of the Spectacle]

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

I do think WWE is attempting to do something like what you are suggesting. You may be giving them too much credit, but it's hard to tell these days because WWE can do such good and such bad on consecutive days with no real sense of continuity between the two.

However, regardless of what WWE is doing, eventually they do have to do it, and though I agree that they WILL do it, I think that waiting too long is a dangerous game. I love Bryan and love the reaction he gets, but I also get paranoid that the modern fan won't have the patience for it and will cool on Bryan. They might decide to finally pull the trigger at a time when the crowd is all YES'd out and Bryan is old news (or god forbid injured and unable to take advantage.)

The point is that Bryan is scorching hot now. He won't be scorching hot forever. Whatever they are planning to do, they need to be smart about it. If they are truly doing something similar to what you are suggesting, it will be a stroke of complete genius, and Bryan will be vaulted into superstardom. However, WWE has a way of losing our trust, especially when you see things like Kevin Nash entering the Royal Rumble (he got a big pop, but so would Jake Roberts, Ultimate Warrior, Chris Jericho, etc.) or Batista walking into a Mania main event after a four year absence.

[MrBRulzOK]

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

While I get the gist of what you're saying, I highly doubt the WWE wanted the crowd to boo the Hell out of the guy that's supposed to be challenging Randy Orton for the championship at Wrestlemania.

[europeanuppercut]

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

dead on.

and i would've agreed with you before tonight. to an extent, i still agree. BUT. daniel bryan getting his big win has to happen at wrestlemania. you can hold it out 'til summerslam, sure, but let's be honest -- wrestlemania 30 needs to close out with daniel bryan winning the wwe world heavyweight championship. any other option and you're losing. as it stands, bryan doesn't have that opportunity. it's batista's, just like tonight was batista's, a moment stolen which should've been reserved for pittsburgh to erupt when bryan won the rumble. but nope, batista won it, and batista is headlining at wrestlemania. so the only hope we have left is bryan to be inserted somehow into the match, turning it into a triple threat... and how do you go about doing that? the rumble was bryan's one chance, under the authority, to work his way in and force their hand by winning the rumble. what now? is there any chance the authority lets bryan have his shot at the title at 'mania? why in the world would they allow it? short of vince mcmahon himself coming into play, overruling triple h & stephanie, and placing bryan into the wrestlemania main event, what chance does bryan have of making it in?

(you know, if that's actually what happens -- batista wins the rumble, everyone gives up all hope, and then we're sucked back in when he somehow finds a way into the title match at 'mania and wins it -- then freaking bravo, wwe. but i had this same mindset going into the rumble, thinking it was all an elaborate piece being painted by wwe... and that just led me to the same feelings i had the night of 18 seconds. i don't know anymore!)

[europeanuppercut]

Jan 27, 2014 2:39:15 GMT -5 MrBRulzOK said:

Jan 27, 2014 2:24:58 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Welcome to the new Kayfabe.

Because what are they doing really. Are they relegating DB to the Saturday shows? No, he's a focal point of the show.

Daniel Bryan not being given a chance is a part of his character. Look at his twitter. The guy says "They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions." Would he post stuff like that if WWE didn't want the reaction to continue? No! "The Machine didn't want me anywhere near the Royal Rumble"? He's posting this to fuel the chants, if WWE wanted them to go away, they wouldn't put any focus on the damn guy, but they focus on him all the time.

And what they are doing is updating the characterization of pro wrestling. You used to have good guys VS bad guys and it was always a moral fight where one did good and the other did bad. Then the moral fight became a lot less clear cut in the 90's and 00's. Now WWE sat back and realized that since 95% of the audience know that these people don't really fight each other and that this is all a work, plus the changes in society, there's really no heat to be created on black & white moral standpoints anymore, at all. So what they have left is the social commentary.

It's Batista, Orton & Cena kept on top because they have seniority and drawing power and it's Daniel Bryan held back because putting him on top would be, in their view, is a risk for profitability. It's cooling Punk's jets because of his real-life character, because Punk's character is now HIMSELF, he's no longer straight edge and better than you. It's Kane getting on management's good side to get ahead, people do that in real-life. It's management letting Brock do pretty much as he pleases because he's Brock. It's the New Age Outlaws & Kevin Nash getting shots because they are the boss' friends.

This is all a work! And it's working, you people are behind Bryan fanatically, you sound like the crowds in the 70's and 80's rioting because the Midnight Express beat up Robert & Ricky too badly. WWE has created HEAT, real heat, HATRED. And they've created LOUD SUPPORT for one of their guys too.

I'm CERTAIN Daniel Bryan will get his big win.

While I get the gist of what you're saying, I highly doubt the WWE wanted the crowd to boo the Hell out of the guy that's supposed to be challenging Randy Orton for the championship at Wrestlemania.

devil's advocate / grasping for straws -

batista returning after four years is going to get a babyface reception. wwe knows that. so they hype his return, they give everyone the time to welcome him back and cheer him and have fun with their photoshop threads and get it all out of their system. but what if they also know that batista does his best work as a heel? thus you bring him back as a face, but come rumble, when EVERYONE wants daniel bryan to win... they give it to batista. hhh's buddy is given the opportunity, just like the new age outlaws were, just like randy orton has. they knew there would be a riot if bryan didn't walk out of the rumble. they knew whoever won was going to get booed out of the building. and that's what has happened. more than likely, batista is booed in every building he walks into from here-on-out. more than likely, everyone still rejects randy orton. and more than likely, "daniel bryan!" chants continue to hijack every show -- now more than ever -- especially when orton/batista/the authority are involved. so we have batista properly transitioned into the bad guy, the authority has everything set in their place... and daniel bryan is supported more than ever before. (which is saying a lot.)

compare that -- the next couple months of rabid daniel bryan support, fans demanding he be given the opportunity for his wrestlemania moment -- to bryan winning the rumble tonight, and everyone in the world knowing for the next two months that bryan becomes the new champion at 'mania.

maybe they're pulling this out for every single drop it's worth.

[Raskovnik]

The WWE simply isn't that smart. I don't believe in theories like that because I can't think of a single time one was correct. Occam's razor should be applied here; is the WWE secretly a mastermind, working everyone, or are they just shockingly out of touch and determined to force their plans rather than adapting, completely ignoring what the fans are begging for?

[DZ: WF Legacy]

Jan 27, 2014 1:37:03 GMT -5 Amazing Kitsune said:

This was, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst night of Bret Hart's life.

It may actually have been, for once.

[The IWC WORLD Champion]

Bryans whole thing is being an underdog. He can't be a champ AND an underdog. They just don't know what to do with him once he becomes champ.

[khali]

After how badly the crowd rejected Orton/Cena and Batista tonight . . . just imagine the massive dump the crowd is going to take on Orton vs. Batista at Mania.

[Deleted]

Jan 27, 2014 4:19:18 GMT -5 khali said:

After how badly the crowd rejected Orton/Cena and Batista tonight . . . just imagine the massive dump the crowd is going to take on Orton vs. Batista at Mania.

Oh yeah, it's probably going to be like if Lesnar / Goldberg and Orton / Triple H mated. Possibly even worse than either if Batista is in the shape then he was tonight, particularly since he and Orton never had any chemisty to begin with.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Jan 27, 2014 4:19:18 GMT -5 khali said:

After how badly the crowd rejected Orton/Cena and Batista tonight . . . just imagine the massive dump the crowd is going to take on Orton vs. Batista at Mania.

I would not be surprised if they don't mic the audience and pipe in the seagull pops.

[bearned]

Jan 27, 2014 4:19:18 GMT -5 khali said:

After how badly the crowd rejected Orton/Cena and Batista tonight . . . just imagine the massive dump the crowd is going to take on Orton vs. Batista at Mania.

It's not going to be pretty. Can't see how they could book a match between them that would make people give a crap.

[jimmyjames]

Jan 27, 2014 3:54:50 GMT -5 The IWC WORLD Champion said:

Bryans whole thing is being an underdog. He can't be a champ AND an underdog. They just don't know what to do with him once he becomes champ.

Why not, it's worked for Rey Mysterio, specifically because of his size. Stone oOld was an underdog, because he had"The Corporation" and Vince doing everything possible to beat him. Give D-Bry that type of gimmick. Even though he's the champ and the face of the company, The Authority and if the comes back on screen, Vince, hate him and are willing to do any and everything in order for him to lose to someone else so they can be champ.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Jan 27, 2014 4:43:57 GMT -5 jimmyjames said:

Jan 27, 2014 3:54:50 GMT -5 The IWC WORLD Champion said:

Bryans whole thing is being an underdog. He can't be a champ AND an underdog. They just don't know what to do with him once he becomes champ.

Why not, it's worked for Rey Mysterio, specifically because of his size. Stone oOld was an underdog, because he had"The Corporation" and Vince doing everything possible to beat him.

Going further back, Hulk Hogan during the boom years was booked as an underdog against monsters who were bigger and stronger than him: Andre, Bundy, Bossman, Akeem, Earthquake, Zeus, and probably more that I'm forgetting.

[KobashiChop]

They deserved every single second of booing and "NO" chants last night. Ive never seen a company be that vindictive towards their own paying customers.

[Deleted]

I'm going to throw out something that just occurred to me.

How weird is it that the guy who was for many years the king of the indies, who on being brought on to the roster initially feuded with Michael Cole and was so incapable of winning that when he pinned Santino in a handicap match he celebrated like crazy, will forever have to his credit that without even being part of it he's the guy who completely overshadowed the goddamn Royal Rumble match and made it all about him?

[The Portable Stove]

You know, the weird thing is that I think Phil Parent is definitely onto something. Kayfabe in a sense is dead, but if someone like Triple H (we don't exactly know HOW he'd run the company for certain) were to come up with a way to get everyone talking against the company and wanting this man to break through as strong as possible without tripping up the, so far, "proven" moneymakers, then that would help the company out in the long run.

Truth is, there's never been anything like this in the WWE. Zack Ryder couldn't capitalize on his own popularity, and CM Punk's never particularly been level headed enough to keep favor with the company. I think that what they're doing to Daniel Bryan, breaking him down continuously, is only going to make him stronger. It isn't going to kill him, that's for damn sure.

[hassanchop]

I say Reigns should have won it. The Shield vs Authority at WM 30.