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Post by baerrtt on Jan 27, 2014 10:29:27 GMT -5
An elimination chamber for a number one contendership with a triple threat at Wrestlemania has been mentioned. Would that be shoehorning? Maybe, but if Bryan's road in the match itself is difficult enough (if he enters first or second and fights really damn hard) it would be easy to overshadow that feeling. We need a chamber match anyway, and with Batista already having the shot, only one title, and apparently Orton/Lesnar being in line for EC the chamber match being for a shot at the title makes sense because... what else is it going to be for? So then what was the point of the Rumble? To be in one of three spots? Is every WM world title match gonna be a triple threat now? It won't be a first would it? The Rock winning the Rumble in 2000 yet come Mania ending up in a four man match and Benoit and Cena winning the Rumble respectively yet ending up in triple threat matches come the big event. |
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 27, 2014 10:29:57 GMT -5
I don't get this blind optimism that somehow by Mania, Bryan will be in the main event and everything will be peachy. To give in to this reaction is to both say and show that the fans have ALL the power. It tells the fans "If you boo loud enough and chant loud enough, we'll give you whatever you want, however you want it". It would be like a show with a hardcore fanbase completely giving in to whatever that fanbase thought was good. Heh?? Giving the fans what they want is wrong?? |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 10:30:46 GMT -5
OK, things are getting surreal now. Apparently this story is big enough for the BBC to report on it Although the writer of the article seems to think it was some sort of logistical oversight by "the organisers" that Daniel Bryan wasn't in the Rumble lol BBC |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 27, 2014 10:33:59 GMT -5
I've been reading the PW Torch website and they've suggested that it IS a storyline and Bryan will be in the main event of Mania this year. Here's hoping. If this is true (I will say the usual NEWZ stuff and it being faked) boy what a way to get massive heat on Batista. |
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Post by nWoElite on Jan 27, 2014 10:34:19 GMT -5
I'm not quoting that huge picture but in response to Lance's tweet I... disagree. I respect Lance Storm a ton, but he's way off on this one. An UNINTENDED reaction is not a good reaction. Having things vocally crapped all over may not be AS bad as people sitting on their hands but its bad. Now... out of touch/delusional management may READ things the way Lance does (which is why a man as smart as Lance Storm should not feed into that delusion) but that there is Bischoff mentality. "Controversy creates cash" is bullshit. I for one 100% intend to stick to my promise to not tune in until things noticeably turn around. And I think a lot of people are GENUINELY upset about this, whether they intend to watch still or not. You don't want to insult your fans. They WILL give up on you. No matter how much power you think they have, people will not put up with that shit forever. And treating them like they will put up with anything you give them will eventually insult them. Even the biggest idiots in the world are smart enough to realize they are being insulted and taken for granted eventually. Would Lance say the reaction to Lesnar/Goldberg was "still a reaction"? Because thats the kind of reaction that the rumble got, and thats the kind of reaction the currently planned Wrestlemania main event will get. Someone with a twitter should ask Lance the Lesnar/Goldberg question actually. He'd probably bindly stand by his own statements though. Idk, I don't think its the same thing. I don't think any reaction is a good one. Unless the whole "this is a long term super-storyline and being done totally on purpose" thing is true. But if its not then its an unintended reaction and nowhere near a good thing. You should see his entire feed from last night. Everyone who's been watching this product for years knew ahead of time Batista was going to win. It's the classic "Return to WM" angle that they pull whenever a big name comes back from injury. If you truly feel insulted well, I don't know what to tell you. I know for me, I'm tuning in. Plus $10 for WM isn't a bad deal. |
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Post by mattperiolat on Jan 27, 2014 10:35:35 GMT -5
What's sad is we have seen this before.
Once upon a time, in a far northern land called Minnesota, there was a King named Gange and he reigned over a kingdoms called the American Wrestling Alliance. He had his champion whom he prized among all things and supported, though he was not loved. Now, into this kingdom came a rising young talent who popular opinion was in favor of and the fans wanted to see as champion. Gange saw this and saw there was money to be made. And this was good.
The challenger fought the champion time and time again, only to be thwarted at every twist and turn. The support grew. And the money rolled in. And this too was good.
Finally the day came. The biggest event of the year. This had to be the moment, time for the champion to fall, the challenger to reign and the fans to rejoice. And it would be good.
The problem was the King did not see the challenger as ready for the throne. And the King so beloved his champion, he would not see him unseated. So, instead of giving the fans what they wanted, what they had been building toward, the champion kept his crown and the challenger was once again denied.
This was not good. Not in the least.
The challenger saw that the crown in this kingdom would not be his and it was time to move on. The challenger won the throne in another kingdom. And slowly, bit by bit, the other kingdom ate away at the subjects and lands of the American Wrestling Alliance until the King Gange had nothing left but an empty throne. And soon, even father time would rob him of his ability to remember such things.
The moral of the story? Sometimes, giving the fans what they want is what is best for business or there will be a time when you will have nothing left.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 27, 2014 10:36:52 GMT -5
As much as I hate them ramming social media down our throats at every opportunity, as least it is a kind of viable way to voice your opinion directly to them. Not like a few years ago when whining on message boards that they'd never read was the only option. Did you know? 80% of out facebook followers thought the Rumble Sucked! Agreed. I didn't mean for that to come off sarcastic, so if it did my fault. It's as accurate a sample of the audience as you're going to get, they can pass off Pittsburgh as being bizzaro world (though that's never been the case), they can't say Facebook is bizzaro world. I more meant that they LOVE social media, and that stuff has a lot of power these days, so I can see them really freaking out about this. Oh trust me... they can write off Facebook. As a Survivor fan I've seen how a delusional producer (Jeff Probst in that case) can all the while pushing social media as part of the show completely ignore the way fans feel by writing off anything said on the internet as "fringe internet fans". Disagree with what the boss wants and suddenly all of Facebook and Twitter become just the same as the fringe forum hardcore fans like us. The world has changed and everyone uses the internet and social media now, but people at the top of the ivory tower lose touch and do not realize that and will make any excuse they can come up with to do whatever the hell they want including writing off basically their entire fanbase as fringe "hardcore fans" that do not know what the ~casual fans~ want. The McMahons are absolutely delusional enough to do the same. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 27, 2014 10:41:44 GMT -5
I'm not even a fan of Bryan but there is no denying that he's over as f*** and what happened last night was bull. I believe Bryan will be added to the world title match though. There is no way the wwe is that dumb
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:44:50 GMT -5
I'm not even a fan of Bryan but there is no denying that he's over as f*** and what happened last night was bull. I believe Bryan will be added to the world title match though. There is no way the wwe is that dumb I could see Vince coming back and doing what's "best for business" and putting him in the match. God dammit, now I have some hope again, I hate this. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 27, 2014 10:46:50 GMT -5
I'm not even a fan of Bryan but there is no denying that he's over as f*** and what happened last night was bull. I believe Bryan will be added to the world title match though. There is no way the wwe is that dumb I could see Vince coming back and doing what's "best for business" and putting him in the match. God dammit, now I have some hope again, I hate this. Yea I mean there is still a shot. Will I bet on it? No but they have an easy way to fit Bryan in the main event while keeping their promise to Batista. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:56:25 GMT -5
I don't get this blind optimism that somehow by Mania, Bryan will be in the main event and everything will be peachy. To give in to this reaction is to both say and show that the fans have ALL the power. It tells the fans "If you boo loud enough and chant loud enough, we'll give you whatever you want, however you want it". It would be like a show with a hardcore fanbase completely giving in to whatever that fanbase thought was good. Heh?? Giving the fans what they want is wrong?? Completely giving into fan reaction and pressure is, yes. It's up to the WWE to give the fans what they want in a way NOT (always) exactly how fans want it, but in a way that makes sense and keeps people coming back. In that respect, they've backed themselves into one hell of a corner with last night. Giving the fans the impression that "if you boo loud enough, we'll change everything to your whim" can only do harm. What's next? If they boo loud enough, they'll undo Batista's Rumble win? Cena won't have the belt ever again? If they cheer loud enough, Bryan will have a Punk-esque title run? You're opening the floodgates if you just fold up and give in. Though, reading some of these posts, WWE could just as easily shoehorn Bryan into it, pretend "that was the plan all along" and the fans'll drink the kool-aid as long as "their guy" has the belt. |
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Post by dablueboy on Jan 27, 2014 11:05:27 GMT -5
Not even in the slightest bit mad that Bryan wasn't in the Rumble, knew it wasn't happening from the ending to the match with Bray, especially after the Sister Abigail into the barricade. Just unrealistic to expect him to come back out 2 hours later for a Rumble match.
I can understand why most fans are pissed though and why some are saying f this company and they aren't watching, but I won't be one of them. I've been a wrestling fan (mostly WWE) for 25 years and there have been times when I could have gave it up, 1993 for one when Bret lost the title so that Hogan could steal the spotlight again and 1997 with Montreal but I stuck with it. I love Bryan as much as the next fan but it wasn't worth crying about when he got fired after the Nexus invasion, lost to Sheamus in 18 seconds and screwed over twice for the WWE title last year and it certainly isn't worthy crying over what happened last night. No matter what WWE throws at home from a kayfabe standpoint he bounces back more over than ever
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 27, 2014 11:10:28 GMT -5
Heh?? Giving the fans what they want is wrong?? Completely giving into fan reaction and pressure is, yes. It's up to the WWE to give the fans what they want in a way NOT (always) exactly how fans want it, but in a way that makes sense and keeps people coming back. In that respect, they've backed themselves into one hell of a corner with last night. Giving the fans the impression that "if you boo loud enough, we'll change everything to your whim" can only do harm. What's next? If they boo loud enough, they'll undo Batista's Rumble win? Cena won't have the belt ever again? If they cheer loud enough, Bryan will have a Punk-esque title run? You're opening the floodgates if you just fold up and give in. Though, reading some of these posts, WWE could just as easily shoehorn Bryan into it, pretend "that was the plan all along" and the fans'll drink the kool-aid as long as "their guy" has the belt. Not at all saying what happened last night is okay, but what if it really WAS the plan all along? "HHH and Steph deny the fans Daniel Bryan so Vince comes back to give the fans what they want" sounds exactly like something WWE would do. Bryan's tweets last night even fit perfectly with it. It'd still be lame since The Authority haven't even acted like heels in weeks, but still. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 11:12:41 GMT -5
Not even in the slightest bit mad that Bryan wasn't in the Rumble, knew it wasn't happening from the ending to the match with Bray, especially after the Sister Abigail into the barricade. Just unrealistic to expect him to come back out 2 hours later for a Rumble match. I can understand why most fans are pissed though and why some are saying f this company and they aren't watching, but I won't be one of them. I've been a wrestling fan (mostly WWE) for 25 years and there have been times when I could have gave it up, 1993 for one when Bret lost the title so that Hogan could steal the spotlight again and 1997 with Montreal but I stuck with it. I love Bryan as much as the next fan but it wasn't worth crying about when he got fired after the Nexus invasion, lost to Sheamus in 18 seconds and screwed over twice for the WWE title last year and it certainly isn't worthy crying over what happened last night. No matter what WWE throws at home from a kayfabe standpoint he bounces back more over than ever It's not even Bryan being away from it that makes me most upset. It's just that the status quo reigns supreme even in the face of the biggest outcries for change they've had since I can remember. Like I said in the original post, I'd have been fine with Punk winning, Reigns winning...even Sheamus winning would've at least been OK to lukewarm. But I don't see, even with Bryan plugged into a triple threat, how Batista against any possible champion, seems like a good match. They've brought Batista back and burnt a Rumble win on either one of two feuds nobody cares to see again, or a Lesnar feud that IMO doesn't seem like a good match on paper, let alone for a WM main event. Even shoehorning Bryan into it...like...ugh. Completely giving into fan reaction and pressure is, yes. It's up to the WWE to give the fans what they want in a way NOT (always) exactly how fans want it, but in a way that makes sense and keeps people coming back. In that respect, they've backed themselves into one hell of a corner with last night. Giving the fans the impression that "if you boo loud enough, we'll change everything to your whim" can only do harm. What's next? If they boo loud enough, they'll undo Batista's Rumble win? Cena won't have the belt ever again? If they cheer loud enough, Bryan will have a Punk-esque title run? You're opening the floodgates if you just fold up and give in. Though, reading some of these posts, WWE could just as easily shoehorn Bryan into it, pretend "that was the plan all along" and the fans'll drink the kool-aid as long as "their guy" has the belt. Not at all saying what happened last night is okay, but what if it really WAS the plan all along? "HHH and Steph deny the fans Daniel Bryan so Vince comes back to give the fans what they want" sounds exactly like something WWE would do. Bryan's tweets last night even fit perfectly with it. It'd still be lame since The Authority haven't even acted like heels in weeks, but still. No matter how you spin this, even if they prove my OP wrong and DO get the title on Bryan at WM without it seeming like a last-second rewrite/shoehorning, they did a lot of bad will last night. Like Cornette tweeted last night, there is only so many times you can send the people home pissed off before they won't come back. And they pissed a lot of people off in the wrong way. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 27, 2014 11:16:00 GMT -5
I'm not even a fan of Bryan but there is no denying that he's over as f*** and what happened last night was bull. I believe Bryan will be added to the world title match though. There is no way the wwe is that dumb I could see Vince coming back and doing what's "best for business" and putting him in the match. God dammit, now I have some hope again, I hate this. Isn't there newz that Vince is apparently a fan of Bryan now? |
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 27, 2014 11:24:56 GMT -5
Not even in the slightest bit mad that Bryan wasn't in the Rumble, knew it wasn't happening from the ending to the match with Bray, especially after the Sister Abigail into the barricade. Just unrealistic to expect him to come back out 2 hours later for a Rumble match. I can understand why most fans are pissed though and why some are saying f this company and they aren't watching, but I won't be one of them. I've been a wrestling fan (mostly WWE) for 25 years and there have been times when I could have gave it up, 1993 for one when Bret lost the title so that Hogan could steal the spotlight again and 1997 with Montreal but I stuck with it. I love Bryan as much as the next fan but it wasn't worth crying about when he got fired after the Nexus invasion, lost to Sheamus in 18 seconds and screwed over twice for the WWE title last year and it certainly isn't worthy crying over what happened last night. No matter what WWE throws at home from a kayfabe standpoint he bounces back more over than ever It's not even Bryan being away from it that makes me most upset. It's just that the status quo reigns supreme even in the face of the biggest outcries for change they've had since I can remember. Like I said in the original post, I'd have been fine with Punk winning, Reigns winning...even Sheamus winning would've at least been OK to lukewarm. But I don't see, even with Bryan plugged into a triple threat, how Batista against any possible champion, seems like a good match. They've brought Batista back and burnt a Rumble win on either one of two feuds nobody cares to see again, or a Lesnar feud that IMO doesn't seem like a good match on paper, let alone for a WM main event. Even shoehorning Bryan into it...like...ugh. Not at all saying what happened last night is okay, but what if it really WAS the plan all along? "HHH and Steph deny the fans Daniel Bryan so Vince comes back to give the fans what they want" sounds exactly like something WWE would do. Bryan's tweets last night even fit perfectly with it. It'd still be lame since The Authority haven't even acted like heels in weeks, but still. That's worth all the bad will they pulled last night then? That makes all the piss and vitriol worth it? No matter how you spin this, even if they prove my OP wrong and DO get the title on Bryan at WM without it seeming like a last-second rewrite/shoehorning, they did a lot of bad will last night. Like Cornette tweeted last night, there is only so many times you can send the people home pissed off before they won't come back. And they pissed a lot of people off in the "I'm not coming back" and/or "I'll watch tonight ironically" way. Oh, I agree that last night was awful. WWE really screwed themselves because everything good that happened in the Rumble (Roman Reigns, Kevin Nash, CM Punk) is just overshadowed by not listening to the fans. And even if what I said happens, they still screwed a "Big Four" PPV to make it happen which is just stupid. |
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 27, 2014 11:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 11:31:59 GMT -5
So for all the "WWE needs to go with the only logical decision" arguments, now we've gotten people saying how a guy who just lost to a midcarder clean as a whistle should randomly be inserted into the title match for no reason other than "the crowd cheered for him." What about CM Punk? He got screwed by Kane, shouldn't he have more of a claim? Or John Cena getting distracted by the Wyatts? Or Brock Lesnar for killing Big Show? Or Big Show for getting cheated in his match?
The point I'm trying to make is I think some people need to stop hiding behind all the business bullshit and just flat out say "I want Daniel Bryan in the title match because I like him and I don't care if it makes sense or no sense at all, I just want it to happen." Then at least the arguments for logistics reasons can stop since they won't be argued anymore
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Post by khali on Jan 27, 2014 11:35:11 GMT -5
The question is: if crowds keep hijacking the show (as I hope they do tonight) will WWE ever call an audible?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2014 11:43:17 GMT -5
So for all the "WWE needs to go with the only logical decision" arguments, now we've gotten people saying how a guy who just lost to a midcarder clean as a whistle should randomly be inserted into the title match for no reason other than "the crowd cheered for him." What about CM Punk? He got screwed by Kane, shouldn't he have more of a claim? Or John Cena getting distracted by the Wyatts? Or Brock Lesnar for killing Big Show? Or Big Show for getting cheated in his match? The point I'm trying to make is I think some people need to stop hiding behind all the business bullshit and just flat out say "I want Daniel Bryan in the title match because I like him and I don't care if it makes sense or no sense at all, I just want it to happen." Then at least the arguments for logistics reasons can stop since they won't be argued anymore I kinda agree here. I never really bring up business reasons when I'm talking about my favorites and how I wish they were used. I want to see them featured because I think they're awesome. Just have Cena and Bryan wrestle eachother at Mania for no reason and for nothing. Sounds like a better alternative for both guys than what they're hinting at. |
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