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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 27, 2014 9:35:56 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for all the news stories saying Vince/Triple H/Stephanie were confused by the reaction of the fans to the last two matches on the card. I think we will all have a hearty laugh at those.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 9:37:18 GMT -5
I don't get this blind optimism that somehow by Mania, Bryan will be in the main event and everything will be peachy.
To give in to this reaction is to both say and show that the fans have ALL the power. It tells the fans "If you boo loud enough and chant loud enough, we'll give you whatever you want, however you want it". It would be like a show with a hardcore fanbase completely giving in to whatever that fanbase thought was good.
On top of that, Bryan being just plugged into it will make his buildup a moot point. It undoes their plans for him (whatever they were), and puts him in a title hunt just to shut the fans up. I have no clue how they can plug Bryan into this and not make it a complete mess that spits in the face of the buildup he's had. Some might say "Oh hey! Bryan won the belt at Mania! All's forgiven!"...some might, but most won't.
Sometimes they love this stuff though...honestly, it wouldn't stun me if tonight we go Bryan/Batista for the title shot and Batista just squashed him and put an exclamation point on this whole thing.
The WWE is in a good mess of trouble here, and at this point they're gonna have to choose the lesser of several evils.
And honestly, I wouldn't have minded if Bryan didn't win. Punk, Rollins, even Sheamus would've been OK I guess. But...I mean, run down the list here. Batista/Orton? Screw that. Batista/Cena? Screw that. Even Batista/Lesnar doesn't sound good. And I'm not entirely down on Batista like most seem to be, but it's either two matches we saw a hundred times before, or a big man/big man match with an even bigger raincloud over it than Lesnar/Goldberg ever had. Why bring Batista back for the same matches he had over and over again before?
I honestly want those showing faith in all this to fantasy book this in a way that doesn't make it seem like the WWE is retconning Bryan into this and/or giving into fan pressure. I try to be positive too, but guys, the damage is done. They can't undo last night no matter how hard they try.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 27, 2014 9:37:30 GMT -5
I apologize if this sentiment was posted a while back, but I don't have time right now to review the 27+ pages of remarks.
Meltzer brought up a point on LAW worth considering as booker of WWE. Paraphrasing him that the people who run WWE gave Bryan a shot and he didn't move numbers. Now we can argue he was booked totally wrong (which I agree with it), but he had his opportunity. Batista as evidenced by last Monday's ratings did move numbers (yes, it was advertised for months and Batista pop-ins like Brock pop-ins are going to have diminishing returns). So what do you do? Do you call an audible and move Bryan to the main event? Or just say to that fanbase which will continue to watch Raw and buy the WWE network, "Screw you. I have the pen." It's interesting to watch nowadays not because of the storylines, but to see the relationship between the audience and story lines.
Also I think there's an undercurrent of resentment against these "part-timers" who come in and are automatically the focus of major story lines. It was there with Rock, but he had the charisma and history that blunts it. Batista is just a giant douche. It's what makes photoshops of him so fun. So when he's flipping off fans after the match you gotta think, "This guy is a natural heel".
But for all intents and purposes WWE is basically the monopoly of wrestling just like the electric or cable (for the most of us in the country) companies. The don't need to be super reponsive to their fanbase. TNA isn't close to a viable number two and was just on the razor's edge of not even having a place to shoot their shows.
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Post by nWoElite on Jan 27, 2014 9:41:53 GMT -5
Lance summed this up perfectly for me.  Bottom line, you'll watch. Most of you are upset, some said you wont watch, and few of you will actually go through with it. But in the end, you'll tune in. Even if its not live, you'll peek. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 9:47:25 GMT -5
Ironic that decisions like putting the title on The Rock or having Batista win the rumble are done to try and garner mainstream new columns but it hardly ever ends up happening. Yet they keep Bryan out the Rumble and get what they wanted |
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 27, 2014 9:47:51 GMT -5
Let's just all agree, this covers WWE booking last night...  |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 27, 2014 9:55:53 GMT -5
The WWE Facebook poll currently stands at:
Thumbs up: 6.2k
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 27, 2014 9:58:06 GMT -5
The only thing I'm remotely interested in at this point is whether or not they try and do damage control tonight. I honestly think they thought the Anabolic Animal would come back and people would forget all about Daniel Bryan. Either that or Vince and Triple H flat-out didn't care. I'm guessing it's a little of column A and column B.
The damage has been done, so how do they attempt to fix it? Do they make the match at WM XXX a triple-threat or will they do nothing at all? If I was a gambling man, I'd bet on them doing nothing at all.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 27, 2014 10:04:26 GMT -5
The only thing I'm remotely interested in at this point is whether or not they try and do damage control tonight. I honestly think they thought the Anabolic Animal would come back and people would forget all about Daniel Bryan. Either that or Vince and Triple H flat-out didn't care. I'm guessing it's a little of column A and column B. The damage has been done, so how do they attempt to fix it? Do they make the match at WM XXX a triple-threat or will they do nothing at all? If I was a gambling man, I'd bet on them doing nothing at all. I'm hoping they'll give us the return of dosuchtista, we get this and this whole thing would have been worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:04:33 GMT -5
The WWE Facebook poll currently stands at: Thumbs up: 6.2k Thumbs down: 22k Wow. That's damn embarrassing. Hittin' 'em where it hurts. SOCIAL MEDIA APPROVAL IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW! CHANGE EVERYTHING! |
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 27, 2014 10:05:42 GMT -5
Hey WWE! YEAH YOU! *HULK HOGAN POINT*  I'm not giving up on Bryan yet, no matter how hard you try damn it! Also MOTY contender already from Bryan this year, this guys talent can't be stopped no matter what they think. The amount Bray will learn from that match is immeasurable and he will become a better worker now. Bryan brought that out of him. I know star ratings are completely individual to each viewer but for Bryan vs Bray was an easy ****1/4 stars from me. When they saw Bryans performance in that match (nevermind crowd reactions!) they should have done the right thing and changed script entirely to have him win Rumble. |
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 27, 2014 10:17:06 GMT -5
I don't get this blind optimism that somehow by Mania, Bryan will be in the main event and everything will be peachy. To give in to this reaction is to both say and show that the fans have ALL the power. It tells the fans "If you boo loud enough and chant loud enough, we'll give you whatever you want, however you want it". It would be like a show with a hardcore fanbase completely giving in to whatever that fanbase thought was good. On top of that, Bryan being just plugged into it will make his buildup a moot point. It undoes their plans for him (whatever they were), and puts him in a title hunt just to shut the fans up. I have no clue how they can plug Bryan into this and not make it a complete mess that spits in the face of the buildup he's had. Some might say "Oh hey! Bryan won the belt at Mania! All's forgiven!"...some might, but most won't. Sometimes they love this stuff though...honestly, it wouldn't stun me if tonight we go Bryan/Batista for the title shot and Batista just squashed him and put an exclamation point on this whole thing. The WWE is in a good mess of trouble here, and at this point they're gonna have to choose the lesser of several evils. And honestly, I wouldn't have minded if Bryan didn't win. Punk, Rollins, even Sheamus would've been OK I guess. But...I mean, run down the list here. Batista/Orton? Screw that. Batista/Cena? Screw that. Even Batista/Lesnar doesn't sound good. And I'm not entirely down on Batista like most seem to be, but it's either two matches we saw a hundred times before, or a big man/big man match with an even bigger raincloud over it than Lesnar/Goldberg ever had. Why bring Batista back for the same matches he had over and over again before? I honestly want those showing faith in all this to fantasy book this in a way that doesn't make it seem like the WWE is retconning Bryan into this and/or giving into fan pressure. I try to be positive too, but guys, the damage is done. They can't undo last night no matter how hard they try. An elimination chamber for a number one contendership with a triple threat at Wrestlemania has been mentioned. Would that be shoehorning? Maybe, but if Bryan's road in the match itself is difficult enough (if he enters first or second and fights really damn hard) it would be easy to overshadow that feeling. We need a chamber match anyway, and with Batista already having the shot, only one title, and apparently Orton/Lesnar being in line for EC the chamber match being for a shot at the title makes sense because... what else is it going to be for? |
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Post by baerrtt on Jan 27, 2014 10:17:07 GMT -5
I've been reading the PW Torch website and they've suggested that it IS a storyline and Bryan will be in the main event of Mania this year.
Here's hoping.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 27, 2014 10:17:12 GMT -5
The WWE Facebook poll currently stands at: Thumbs up: 6.2k Thumbs down: 22k Wow. That's damn embarrassing. Hittin' 'em where it hurts. SOCIAL MEDIA APPROVAL IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW! CHANGE EVERYTHING! As much as I hate them ramming social media down our throats at every opportunity, as least it is a kind of viable way to voice your opinion directly to them. Not like a few years ago when whining on message boards that they'd never read was the only option. Did you know? 80% of out facebook followers thought the Rumble Sucked! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:20:48 GMT -5
Hittin' 'em where it hurts. SOCIAL MEDIA APPROVAL IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW! CHANGE EVERYTHING! As much as I hate them ramming social media down our throats at every opportunity, as least it is a kind of viable way to voice your opinion directly to them. Not like a few years ago when whining on message boards that they'd never read was the only option. Did you know? 80% of out facebook followers thought the Rumble Sucked! Agreed. I didn't mean for that to come off sarcastic, so if it did my fault. It's as accurate a sample of the audience as you're going to get, they can pass off Pittsburgh as being bizzaro world (though that's never been the case), they can't say Facebook is bizzaro world. I more meant that they LOVE social media, and that stuff has a lot of power these days, so I can see them really freaking out about this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:21:16 GMT -5
I don't get this blind optimism that somehow by Mania, Bryan will be in the main event and everything will be peachy. To give in to this reaction is to both say and show that the fans have ALL the power. It tells the fans "If you boo loud enough and chant loud enough, we'll give you whatever you want, however you want it". It would be like a show with a hardcore fanbase completely giving in to whatever that fanbase thought was good. On top of that, Bryan being just plugged into it will make his buildup a moot point. It undoes their plans for him (whatever they were), and puts him in a title hunt just to shut the fans up. I have no clue how they can plug Bryan into this and not make it a complete mess that spits in the face of the buildup he's had. Some might say "Oh hey! Bryan won the belt at Mania! All's forgiven!"...some might, but most won't. Sometimes they love this stuff though...honestly, it wouldn't stun me if tonight we go Bryan/Batista for the title shot and Batista just squashed him and put an exclamation point on this whole thing. The WWE is in a good mess of trouble here, and at this point they're gonna have to choose the lesser of several evils. And honestly, I wouldn't have minded if Bryan didn't win. Punk, Rollins, even Sheamus would've been OK I guess. But...I mean, run down the list here. Batista/Orton? Screw that. Batista/Cena? Screw that. Even Batista/Lesnar doesn't sound good. And I'm not entirely down on Batista like most seem to be, but it's either two matches we saw a hundred times before, or a big man/big man match with an even bigger raincloud over it than Lesnar/Goldberg ever had. Why bring Batista back for the same matches he had over and over again before? I honestly want those showing faith in all this to fantasy book this in a way that doesn't make it seem like the WWE is retconning Bryan into this and/or giving into fan pressure. I try to be positive too, but guys, the damage is done. They can't undo last night no matter how hard they try. An elimination chamber for a number one contendership with a triple threat at Wrestlemania has been mentioned. Would that be shoehorning? Maybe, but if Bryan's road in the match itself is difficult enough (if he enters first or second and fights really damn hard) it would be easy to overshadow that feeling. We need a chamber match anyway, and with Batista already having the shot, only one title, and apparently Orton/Lesnar being in line for EC the chamber match being for a shot at the title makes sense because... what else is it going to be for? So then what was the point of the Rumble? To be in one of three spots? Is every WM world title match gonna be a triple threat now? |
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Post by Branimal on Jan 27, 2014 10:27:11 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been said already earlier in the thread.. Daniel Bryan is a tremendous wrestler and absolutely should have been the #1 guy after tonight. However, my general problem is that it seems like it doesn't really matter who the fans organically get behind - crowd reaction means almost nothing if it doesn't jive with whatever plans the company has. I just can't grasp what they're thinking.
Giving Bryan that big push in the summer, having him main event the title picture for a few months and then assuming that everyone will forget about him in favor of Cena/Orton? I can't speak for everybody but people seem to be generally sick of that program. I mean, they're not even doing anything new with those two! When they feuded in 2007, a major cornerstone of their rivalry involved Orton kicking Cena's Dad in the head. They just did the same thing again!
Are they so afraid to take chances nowadays? Don't get me wrong, giving Punk the WWE title for an astounding 400+ days could be argued as taking a chance but during that reign, he was never really positioned as THE guy, well.. not until the very end of his reign anyway. It's like they decided to give the fans something different but were only willing to meet them halfway.
I guess I'm just frustrated at the lack of creativity within WWE. WrestleMania is the biggest show of the year but it just seems like it's always going to be packed with legends and part timers looking for a payday rather than the guys that work their asses off every year.
Maybe what I'm saying is old hat but I'm just so disinterested right now.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 27, 2014 10:27:49 GMT -5
As much as I hate them ramming social media down our throats at every opportunity, as least it is a kind of viable way to voice your opinion directly to them. Not like a few years ago when whining on message boards that they'd never read was the only option. Did you know? 80% of out facebook followers thought the Rumble Sucked! Agreed. I didn't mean for that to come off sarcastic, so if it did my fault. It's as accurate a sample of the audience as you're going to get, they can pass off Pittsburgh as being bizzaro world (though that's never been the case), they can't say Facebook is bizzaro world. I more meant that they LOVE social media, and that stuff has a lot of power these days, so I can see them really freaking out about this. Haha no I got what you meant. I was agreeing with you. They can't fail to notice how people were flipping out about last night when they trawl through everything. Would be funny to be there to see their reactions. |
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 27, 2014 10:27:56 GMT -5
I'm not quoting that huge picture but in response to Lance's tweet I... disagree. I respect Lance Storm a ton, but he's way off on this one.
An UNINTENDED reaction is not a good reaction. Having things vocally crapped all over may not be AS bad as people sitting on their hands but its bad. Now... out of touch/delusional management may READ things the way Lance does (which is why a man as smart as Lance Storm should not feed into that delusion) but that there is Bischoff mentality. "Controversy creates cash" is bullshit.
I for one 100% intend to stick to my promise to not tune in until things noticeably turn around. And I think a lot of people are GENUINELY upset about this, whether they intend to watch still or not. You don't want to insult your fans. They WILL give up on you. No matter how much power you think they have, people will not put up with that shit forever. And treating them like they will put up with anything you give them will eventually insult them. Even the biggest idiots in the world are smart enough to realize they are being insulted and taken for granted eventually.
Would Lance say the reaction to Lesnar/Goldberg was "still a reaction"? Because thats the kind of reaction that the rumble got, and thats the kind of reaction the currently planned Wrestlemania main event will get.
Someone with a twitter should ask Lance the Lesnar/Goldberg question actually. He'd probably bindly stand by his own statements though. Idk, I don't think its the same thing. I don't think any reaction is a good one. Unless the whole "this is a long term super-storyline and being done totally on purpose" thing is true. But if its not then its an unintended reaction and nowhere near a good thing.
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Post by nWoElite on Jan 27, 2014 10:28:20 GMT -5
An elimination chamber for a number one contendership with a triple threat at Wrestlemania has been mentioned. Would that be shoehorning? Maybe, but if Bryan's road in the match itself is difficult enough (if he enters first or second and fights really damn hard) it would be easy to overshadow that feeling. We need a chamber match anyway, and with Batista already having the shot, only one title, and apparently Orton/Lesnar being in line for EC the chamber match being for a shot at the title makes sense because... what else is it going to be for? So then what was the point of the Rumble? To be in one of three spots? Is every WM world title match gonna be a triple threat now? Hey, maybe I didn't hear correctly last night or one of the many other times WWE has taunted this, but I had always heard them say the Winner of the Rumble will Headline Wrestlemania, correct? Does that ALWAYS mean they'll get a title shot? |
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