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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 13:14:36 GMT -5
The logical storyline is the guy who is the most over, winning in the main event at WrestleMania. Simple as. A rematch taking place at WrestleMania? Hmm, that doesn't sound like WWE at all. It's not like last year featured Rock/Cena and Brock/HHH, both of which had been done on PPV within the previous year. WWE has no problem selling trying to sell rematches on PPV. They'll likely have a harder time trying to sell a match where the fans shit all over the two guys in it and chant for a 3rd guy who's not even in the match. Rock Cena was done one year ago ONCE. Bryan/Orton was done 6 months ago literally 10 times in 2013. And Brock/HHH is a match that everyone here said shouldn't have been done, but at least that had a different story with Triple H needing to win to avenge Vince McMahon and his loss at SummerSlam. Bryan/Cena would go from "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" to "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" You could have EASILY done Brock vs. Bryan. Have Brock steamroll through the Chamber match, winning the WWE Championship. Than, you have Bryan win the Rumble. A fresh match up with a simply David vs. Goliath storyline. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 13:14:48 GMT -5
At this point, even if they stick Bryan into the main event of Wrestlemania and have him win the title, it still might not work, because they haven't bothered to write a compelling and coherent storyline to build up to it. WWE's inability to comprehend the narrative concept of build up and pay off is another major problem.
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 27, 2014 13:20:33 GMT -5
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 27, 2014 13:23:51 GMT -5
So Lonewolf are you going to ignore my points because you can't twist it or.....I really want you to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:25:45 GMT -5
The logical storyline is the guy who is the most over, winning in the main event at WrestleMania. Simple as. A rematch taking place at WrestleMania? Hmm, that doesn't sound like WWE at all. It's not like last year featured Rock/Cena and Brock/HHH, both of which had been done on PPV within the previous year. WWE has no problem selling trying to sell rematches on PPV. They'll likely have a harder time trying to sell a match where the fans shit all over the two guys in it and chant for a 3rd guy who's not even in the match. Rock Cena was done one year ago ONCE. Bryan/Orton was done 6 months ago literally 10 times in 2013. And Brock/HHH is a match that everyone here said shouldn't have been done, but at least that had a different story with Triple H needing to win to avenge Vince McMahon and his loss at SummerSlam. Bryan/Cena would go from "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" to "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" ....we're not even talking about Bryan/Orton, we're talking about Bryan/Cena. At least keep track of the conversation. A Cena/Bryan II is easy to write. Cena needs to avenge his loss from SummerSlam, Bryan needs to go the distance one more time, heck make it personal and involve the Bella Twins since WWE loves that. Have HHH & Steph endorse Cena and Cena can tell them to go to hell. There ya go, four ideas right off the bat. Has a lot more depth than Rock/Cena II already. |
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 27, 2014 13:26:17 GMT -5
Let's all ignore the fact that Bray beat Bryan kayfabe working a concussion. That ain't exactly clean kids.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 13:27:35 GMT -5
Rock Cena was done one year ago ONCE. Bryan/Orton was done 6 months ago literally 10 times in 2013. And Brock/HHH is a match that everyone here said shouldn't have been done, but at least that had a different story with Triple H needing to win to avenge Vince McMahon and his loss at SummerSlam. Bryan/Cena would go from "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" to "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" ....we're not even talking about Bryan/Orton, we're talking about Bryan/Cena. At least keep track of the conversation. A Cena/Bryan II is easy to write. Cena needs to avenge his loss from SummerSlam, Bryan needs to go the distance one more time, heck make it personal and involve the Bella Twins since WWE loves that. Have HHH & Steph endorse Cena and Cena can tell them to go to hell. There ya go, four ideas right off the bat. Has a lot more depth than Rock/Cena II already. I just flat out said the reason why Cena/Bryan doesn't make sense in the same post so I don't see how I'm missing the point of the conversation. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 27, 2014 13:29:06 GMT -5
Let's all ignore the fact that Bray beat Bryan kayfabe working a concussion. That ain't exactly clean kids. Kayfabe concussion? I don't remember them ever mentioning it on screen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:30:02 GMT -5
....we're not even talking about Bryan/Orton, we're talking about Bryan/Cena. At least keep track of the conversation. A Cena/Bryan II is easy to write. Cena needs to avenge his loss from SummerSlam, Bryan needs to go the distance one more time, heck make it personal and involve the Bella Twins since WWE loves that. Have HHH & Steph endorse Cena and Cena can tell them to go to hell. There ya go, four ideas right off the bat. Has a lot more depth than Rock/Cena II already. I just flat out said the reason why Cena/Bryan doesn't make sense in the same post so I don't see how I'm missing the point of the conversation. No you didn't. You said it's the same storyline as SummerSlam and I just listed four completely different storyline points to the ones that were used for SummerSlam. And now you've ignored that. I'm sorry but you and others wonder why people accuse you of trolling, it's hardly surprising. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:31:01 GMT -5
Let's all ignore the fact that Bray beat Bryan kayfabe working a concussion. That ain't exactly clean kids. WWE never once said Bryan had a concussion. Nice attempt though. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 13:34:07 GMT -5
....we're not even talking about Bryan/Orton, we're talking about Bryan/Cena. At least keep track of the conversation. A Cena/Bryan II is easy to write. Cena needs to avenge his loss from SummerSlam, Bryan needs to go the distance one more time, heck make it personal and involve the Bella Twins since WWE loves that. Have HHH & Steph endorse Cena and Cena can tell them to go to hell. There ya go, four ideas right off the bat. Has a lot more depth than Rock/Cena II already. I just flat out said the reason why Cena/Bryan doesn't make sense in the same post so I don't see how I'm missing the point of the conversation. So Lonewolf are you going to ignore my points because you can't twist it or.....I really want you to. Listen I don't want to be arguing with people all day about this, hell I don't want to be arguing at all. The only reason I keep at it is because it's clear that anyone who doesn't agree with the popular opinion about Bryan is being called out as being ignorant, when I haven't been saying "DAH HE SUCKS I DON'T LIKE HIM" but have been giving legitimate reasons for why I don't want him main eventing WrestleMania. My purpose isn't to convince people to change their minds, but to say that this isn't the end of the world and here's why I feel it. But because it's not the popular opinion, I'm apparently a troll, closed minded, and twisting everything around to see it how I feel best. It's sad too because I almost don't want to watch Raw if it's just going to be a crowd hijacking the show because that would ruin it for me then like it ruined the Rumble for me last night and the negativity about everything is making me not want to come back on here. Forums like this help keep my interest up in the product, but when it's THIS hectic and ridiculous, I can't take it. Last night with the Kane and Kevin Nash threads, it was all about fun, and that's what it's supposed to be. When everything gets to a point where people move beyond trying to have fun and instead get to what this and a lot of other places online have boiled down to last night, all because a guy wasn't in a specific match, things have become too serious. I just want to be able to come here and relax, but when my character gets attacked on the grounds that I don't agree with everyone else here, I'm gonna defend myself and my opinions about the situation. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 27, 2014 13:35:59 GMT -5
Let's all ignore the fact that Bray beat Bryan kayfabe working a concussion. That ain't exactly clean kids. WWE never once said Bryan had a concussion. Nice attempt though. It was brought up 3 or 4 times during the match last night. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 13:36:38 GMT -5
I just flat out said the reason why Cena/Bryan doesn't make sense in the same post so I don't see how I'm missing the point of the conversation. No you didn't. You said it's the same storyline as SummerSlam and I just listed four completely different storyline points to the ones that were used for SummerSlam. And now you've ignored that. I'm sorry but you and others wonder why people accuse you of trolling, it's hardly surprising. Okay listen here, I'm not a f***ing troll because I don't agree with you and neither is anyone else who disagrees. There are plenty of people on here over the last couple of nights who are in the same position I'm in and have been typecast as an asshole all because they don't agree with the popular opinion and it's just not fair to anyone. I don't want to see Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania because to me, it won't make sense or will be a repeat match that I don't want to see. Period. You could use whatever "facts" you want to try and call me out on being a troll, but just because someone isn't conforming to the popular opinion and is willing to defend their opinion doesn't make them a troll. |
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 27, 2014 13:39:14 GMT -5
I just flat out said the reason why Cena/Bryan doesn't make sense in the same post so I don't see how I'm missing the point of the conversation. So Lonewolf are you going to ignore my points because you can't twist it or.....I really want you to. Listen I don't want to be arguing with people all day about this, hell I don't want to be arguing at all. The only reason I keep at it is because it's clear that anyone who doesn't agree with the popular opinion about Bryan is being called out as being ignorant, when I haven't been saying "DAH HE SUCKS I DON'T LIKE HIM" but have been giving legitimate reasons for why I don't want him main eventing WrestleMania. My purpose isn't to convince people to change their minds, but to say that this isn't the end of the world and here's why I feel it. But because it's not the popular opinion, I'm apparently a troll, closed minded, and twisting everything around to see it how I feel best. It's sad too because I almost don't want to watch Raw if it's just going to be a crowd hijacking the show because that would ruin it for me then like it ruined the Rumble for me last night and the negativity about everything is making me not want to come back on here. Forums like this help keep my interest up in the product, but when it's THIS hectic and ridiculous, I can't take it. Last night with the Kane and Kevin Nash threads, it was all about fun, and that's what it's supposed to be. When everything gets to a point where people move beyond trying to have fun and instead get to what this and a lot of other places online have boiled down to last night, all because a guy wasn't in a specific match, things have become too serious. I just want to be able to come here and relax, but when my character gets attacked on the grounds that I don't agree with everyone else here, I'm gonna defend myself and my opinions about the situation. Your character is not being attacked because you disagree with the popular viewpoint. It's just that the arguments you're using to back up your disagreement are full of holes and you keep trotting out a "woe is me, for I am being branded as ignorant soley because I don't mark out every time Ride of the Valkyries plays" routine rather than addressing the holes when they're pointed out to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:39:35 GMT -5
WWE never once said Bryan had a concussion. Nice attempt though. It was brought up 3 or 4 times during the match last night. I meant prior to the event. It's okay mentioning it a couple of times on commentary, but the concussion wasn't mentioned in the run up to the match, it wasn't mentioned in promos, nobody in the live crowd would know if they didn't read dirtsheets. It's silly booking. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 27, 2014 13:40:08 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 13:41:01 GMT -5
That point has already been addressed, that if WWE hadn't booked the product so poorly, repetitive matches would never have been a factor.
Your issue shouldn't be with Daniel Bryan fans, but with WWE for screwing up what should have been a straight forward elevation of a star.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 13:41:57 GMT -5
Listen I don't want to be arguing with people all day about this, hell I don't want to be arguing at all. The only reason I keep at it is because it's clear that anyone who doesn't agree with the popular opinion about Bryan is being called out as being ignorant, when I haven't been saying "DAH HE SUCKS I DON'T LIKE HIM" but have been giving legitimate reasons for why I don't want him main eventing WrestleMania. My purpose isn't to convince people to change their minds, but to say that this isn't the end of the world and here's why I feel it. But because it's not the popular opinion, I'm apparently a troll, closed minded, and twisting everything around to see it how I feel best. It's sad too because I almost don't want to watch Raw if it's just going to be a crowd hijacking the show because that would ruin it for me then like it ruined the Rumble for me last night and the negativity about everything is making me not want to come back on here. Forums like this help keep my interest up in the product, but when it's THIS hectic and ridiculous, I can't take it. Last night with the Kane and Kevin Nash threads, it was all about fun, and that's what it's supposed to be. When everything gets to a point where people move beyond trying to have fun and instead get to what this and a lot of other places online have boiled down to last night, all because a guy wasn't in a specific match, things have become too serious. I just want to be able to come here and relax, but when my character gets attacked on the grounds that I don't agree with everyone else here, I'm gonna defend myself and my opinions about the situation. Your character is not being attacked because you disagree with the popular viewpoint. It's just that the arguments you're using to back up your disagreement are full of holes and you keep trotting out a "woe is me, for I am being branded as ignorant soley because I don't mark out every time Ride of the Valkyries plays" routine rather than addressing the holes when they're pointed out to you. I've responded to every single hole that people try to point out in my thought process and every time it either goes back to A. I'm a troll or B. It's still WWE's fault. I don't have the time to write a novel about why I feel that Bryan vs Orton, Cena, or Lesnar aren't appealing to me and I don't want to be arguing all day long. A bunch of the pro Bryan arguments are full of holes too, but I don't call anyone a troll because there's holes in their arguments, I just point them out myself. I'm just a semi-casual fan who wants to sit back and enjoy the damn show and talk about wrestling online but I can't even do that anymore without being referred to in a negative connotation because of this shit. That point has already been addressed, that if WWE hadn't booked the product so poorly, repetitive matches would never have been a factor. Your issue shouldn't be with Daniel Bryan fans, but with WWE for screwing up what should have been a straight forward elevation of a star. But again, that doesn't matter NOW. What matters NOW is getting a WrestleMania with matches that I personally want to see. I'm not gonna go back and say "Well WWE should go back in time and rebook things so the card can be different" I'm going with what we have now since that's all that matters for WrestleMania at this point. I don't want to see a reshuffling of the card that in the context of the story that they've developed, whether it's good or bad, that makes absolutely no sense. Bryan at this point getting into a title match in a kayfabe sense to me does not make any sense given what he's done recently and the probable champion going into the show. It's not cuz I hate the guy, if I did he wouldn't be in my damn avatar in case no one noticed, but because for right now I wouldn't buy into it. If he wins the title at some point 2014 with a logical story then great, I'd be fine with that. But doing it now to me given what they've booked can't be changed and wouldn't make sense. That. Is. All. |
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 27, 2014 13:42:08 GMT -5
The WWE Facebook poll currently stands at: Thumbs up: 6.2k Thumbs down: 22k Wow. That's damn embarrassing. Hittin' 'em where it hurts. SOCIAL MEDIA APPROVAL IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW! CHANGE EVERYTHING! That's true. WWE's response would be "The WWE Universe was vocal last night." |
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Post by Richard on Jan 27, 2014 13:44:21 GMT -5
No you didn't. You said it's the same storyline as SummerSlam and I just listed four completely different storyline points to the ones that were used for SummerSlam. And now you've ignored that. I'm sorry but you and others wonder why people accuse you of trolling, it's hardly surprising. Okay listen here, I'm not a f***ing troll because I don't agree with you and neither is anyone else who disagrees. There are plenty of people on here over the last couple of nights who are in the same position I'm in and have been typecast as an asshole all because they don't agree with the popular opinion and it's just not fair to anyone. I don't want to see Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania because to me, it won't make sense or will be a repeat match that I don't want to see. Period. You could use whatever "facts" you want to try and call me out on being a troll, but just because someone isn't conforming to the popular opinion and is willing to defend their opinion doesn't make them a troll. Quit attacking people and you won't get labeled a troll it is that simple. You have been going off on anyone suggesting Bryan win the Rumble for days now and that is why people are doing this. It is your attitude toward those who want Bryan on top that has gotten you this response. All you have done is constantly poked the bear and this is well after it has been made clear that we don't want that. So let me finish this off with the last I'm going to say concerning these calls of troll or whatever and it goes for both sides, QUIT ATTACKING EACH OTHER. EITHER ACCEPT THAT NOT EVERYONE WANTS WHAT YOU WANT OR DON'T POST. |
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