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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 27, 2014 13:44:33 GMT -5
Hittin' 'em where it hurts. SOCIAL MEDIA APPROVAL IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW! CHANGE EVERYTHING! That's true. WWE's response would be "The WWE Universe was vocal last night." Seems legit, I see even Benoit has signed it... and Vince? You're missing the big one. WARRIOR signed it. Hell I just signed it as well. Did I mention I'm Crash Holly? |
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 27, 2014 13:45:27 GMT -5
Your character is not being attacked because you disagree with the popular viewpoint. It's just that the arguments you're using to back up your disagreement are full of holes and you keep trotting out a "woe is me, for I am being branded as ignorant soley because I don't mark out every time Ride of the Valkyries plays" routine rather than addressing the holes when they're pointed out to you. I've responded to every single hole that people try to point out in my thought process and every time it either goes back to A. I'm a troll or B. It's still WWE's fault. I don't have the time to write a novel about why I feel that Bryan vs Orton, Cena, or Lesnar aren't appealing to me and I don't want to be arguing all day long. A bunch of the pro Bryan arguments are full of holes too, but I don't call anyone a troll because there's holes in their arguments, I just point them out myself. I'm just a semi-casual fan who wants to sit back and enjoy the damn show and talk about wrestling online but I can't even do that anymore without being referred to in a negative connotation because of this shit. Maybe you should step away from the Daniel Bryan threads then, as you're obviously not enjoying being part of a minority who are okay with what happened last night, and regardless of how valid you think your opinion is it doesn't seem like you're swinging anyone round to your point of view who didn't share it in the first place. The definition of madness is repeating the same series of actions over and over, and expecting a different result. You're obviously getting worked up about what you percieve to be people mislabelling you or assassinating your character, so perhaps stop giving them the opportunity to do that and go talk about less 'controversial' subject matter whilst tempers are still hot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:46:29 GMT -5
No you didn't. You said it's the same storyline as SummerSlam and I just listed four completely different storyline points to the ones that were used for SummerSlam. And now you've ignored that. I'm sorry but you and others wonder why people accuse you of trolling, it's hardly surprising. Okay listen here, I'm not a f***ing troll because I don't agree with you and neither is anyone else who disagrees. There are plenty of people on here over the last couple of nights who are in the same position I'm in and have been typecast as an asshole all because they don't agree with the popular opinion and it's just not fair to anyone. I don't want to see Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania because to me, it won't make sense or will be a repeat match that I don't want to see. Period. You could use whatever "facts" you want to try and call me out on being a troll, but just because someone isn't conforming to the popular opinion and is willing to defend their opinion doesn't make them a troll. First of all, I didn't say you were a troll. I said it's no surprise other people are accusing you of that when you are ignoring their points completely. You also just admitted that you're ignoring facts (which is what most opinions are based on). If you don't want Daniel Bryan in the main event of WrestleMania, that's fine. Just say that instead of dancing around it and trying to come up with lame reasons why it wouldn't "make sense" even though several completely rational storylines have been laid out how it would make sense. It's a discussion forum where people make points and then people make counter-points. If you're not prepared for that than I don't know why you are getting involved in these types of conversations. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 13:47:31 GMT -5
Many people just want see Daniel Bryan pushed because the storyline that happened last year never ended and, for some strange reason, the heel's were basically proven right. They want to see Daniel Bryan get his time at the top, because he's earned that right. He's been the most over guy for a few months now, even out popping Cena in places, and there's really no reason not to push him. Have Bryan win the Rumble to get a shot at the WWE Championship, because the Authority can't do anything about it. It's a clear storyline and have a straight forward end. But, instead were left guessing and hoping that WWE fix something that they should have to fix to being win, something that could have been so easy to book.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 27, 2014 13:48:10 GMT -5
If Bryan doesn't make sense how does Batista?
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 13:51:25 GMT -5
*More from Sid:
SID™ @sychovicious · 1h
Then @davebautista flips the fans because they understandably boo. Idiot doesn't even know to kayfabe when he's working babyface.
*I find these tweets relevant because they are from someone who has "been there" as the companys champion and has a vast history in the business.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 13:51:29 GMT -5
If Bryan doesn't make sense how does Batista? People are just going to respond with the "well he popped a rating." Yeah, he WON'T be anymore. Curiosity is what popped a rating for TNA when Hogan debuted. Than TNA got a 0.5 3 months later. |
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 27, 2014 13:51:37 GMT -5
Let's all ignore the fact that Bray beat Bryan kayfabe working a concussion. That ain't exactly clean kids. WWE never once said Bryan had a concussion. Nice attempt though. Nice attempt at what? I'm very clearly a Bryan fan and I'm not thrilled with the outcome either but I'm not ignoring facts either. I watched the match three times and there were a few mentions of Bryan not being 100%. Were you happy when Cena popped up from the DDT to the floor outside? No? Then stop acting like it's a big freaking deal, and a clean loss, that it took a brutal move to the barricade to put Bryan down. He looked like a million dollars in the match and the booking would've made 100% sense if they didn't f*** the dog and leave him out of the Rumble. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 13:53:54 GMT -5
Okay listen here, I'm not a f***ing troll because I don't agree with you and neither is anyone else who disagrees. There are plenty of people on here over the last couple of nights who are in the same position I'm in and have been typecast as an asshole all because they don't agree with the popular opinion and it's just not fair to anyone. I don't want to see Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania because to me, it won't make sense or will be a repeat match that I don't want to see. Period. You could use whatever "facts" you want to try and call me out on being a troll, but just because someone isn't conforming to the popular opinion and is willing to defend their opinion doesn't make them a troll. First of all, I didn't say you were a troll. I said it's no surprise other people are accusing you of that when you are ignoring their points completely. You also just admitted that you're ignoring facts (which is what most opinions are based on). If you don't want Daniel Bryan in the main event of WrestleMania, that's fine. Just say that instead of dancing around it and trying to come up with lame reasons why it wouldn't "make sense" even though several completely rational storylines have been laid out how it would make sense. It's a discussion forum where people make points and then people make counter-points. If you're not prepared for that than I don't know why you are getting involved in these types of conversations. This is gonna be my last post in this thread. This is a discussion forum with points and counter points, hence why I wanted to be able to post my opinion about the matter without having to worry about being labeled something because I don't agree with it. The only reason I've kept coming back is because I posted a couple of posts in this thread about my opinions regarding the crowd and why it ruined the show for me and I had about 10 people calling me out on things, so naturally I had to respond to them. I'm not here to "poke the bear," I was here to post my opinion on it, but as long as someone responded to me with something that I felt wasn't logical, I responded back. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to defend the opinion that I stated back 20 pages ago that people kept responding to and calling me out about. But that's done now, I'm stepping away from this and the rest of the Bryan threads because I don't want to be getting into arguments like this for the next 3 months. Carry on with whatever you all were discussing. I may not agree with it and you all may not agree with me, but I think that's been stated enough so let's leave it at that. Edit: Also, that Sid account is still fake by the way. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 13:54:49 GMT -5
WWE never once said Bryan had a concussion. Nice attempt though. Nice attempt at what? I'm very clearly a Bryan fan and I'm not thrilled with the outcome either but I'm not ignoring facts either. I watched the match three times and there were a few mentions of Bryan not being 100%. Were you happy when Cena popped up from the DDT to the floor outside? No? Then stop acting like it's a big freaking deal, and a clean loss, that it took a brutal move to the barricade to put Bryan down. He looked like a million dollars in the match and the booking would've made 100% sense if they didn't f*** the dog and leave him out of the Rumble. Yeah, I also had no problem with Bryan losing to Wyatt. The match was great and brutal, and that Sister Abigail to the barricade look like it really hurt. Daniel Bryan lost, but that shouldn't have matter in the end if Bryan won the Rumble. Him not being in the Rumble and winning it is what people are pissed about. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 13:54:53 GMT -5
Sid vs Batista is a feud I'd be interested in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:55:14 GMT -5
If Bryan doesn't make sense how does Batista? Popped one rating Never drew a dime Ancient Pro Wrestling Tibetan Monk Philosophy |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:55:15 GMT -5
Carlos Santana has joined the Yes Movement. Maybe a firey, soulful guitar solo can pierce the hearts of the powers-that-be and make things right.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 27, 2014 13:57:05 GMT -5
If Bryan doesn't make sense how does Batista? People are just going to respond with the "well he popped a rating." Yeah, he WON'T be anymore. Curiosity is what popped a rating for TNA when Hogan debuted. Than TNA got a 0.5 3 months later. yeah but people are saying is that Bryan shouldn't win based on reaction and the story should make sense. That's what I want explained. Also classic stuff responding to posts you can poke holes in but not other ones with concrete points. Differing opinions don't equal arguments if presented well. |
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 13:58:18 GMT -5
First of all, I didn't say you were a troll. I said it's no surprise other people are accusing you of that when you are ignoring their points completely. You also just admitted that you're ignoring facts (which is what most opinions are based on). If you don't want Daniel Bryan in the main event of WrestleMania, that's fine. Just say that instead of dancing around it and trying to come up with lame reasons why it wouldn't "make sense" even though several completely rational storylines have been laid out how it would make sense. It's a discussion forum where people make points and then people make counter-points. If you're not prepared for that than I don't know why you are getting involved in these types of conversations. This is gonna be my last post in this thread. This is a discussion forum with points and counter points, hence why I wanted to be able to post my opinion about the matter without having to worry about being labeled something because I don't agree with it. The only reason I've kept coming back is because I posted a couple of posts in this thread about my opinions regarding the crowd and why it ruined the show for me and I had about 10 people calling me out on things, so naturally I had to respond to them. I'm not here to "poke the bear," I was here to post my opinion on it, but as long as someone responded to me with something that I felt wasn't logical, I responded back. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to defend the opinion that I stated back 20 pages ago that people kept responding to and calling me out about. But that's done now, I'm stepping away from this and the rest of the Bryan threads because I don't want to be getting into arguments like this for the next 3 months. Carry on with whatever you all were discussing. I may not agree with it and you all may not agree with me, but I think that's been stated enough so let's leave it at that. Edit: Also, that Sid account is still fake by the way. I was unaware that the Sid account was/is *potentially* (as I cannot just take your word) fake. Until I get to the bottom of that potential issue I will post the opinions of other past wrestlers of note via their official verified twitter accounts and/or interviews. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:58:36 GMT -5
Nice attempt at what? I'm very clearly a Bryan fan and I'm not thrilled with the outcome either but I'm not ignoring facts either. I watched the match three times and there were a few mentions of Bryan not being 100%. Were you happy when Cena popped up from the DDT to the floor outside? No? Then stop acting like it's a big freaking deal, and a clean loss, that it took a brutal move to the barricade to put Bryan down. He looked like a million dollars in the match and the booking would've made 100% sense if they didn't f*** the dog and leave him out of the Rumble. Yeah, I also had no problem with Bryan losing to Wyatt. The match was great and brutal, and that Sister Abigail to the barricade look like it really hurt. Daniel Bryan lost, but that shouldn't have matter in the end if Bryan won the Rumble. Him not being in the Rumble and winning it is what people are pissed about. That was Bryan's first clean loss since...last summer? And Wyatt hasn't lost a singles match yet. In kayfabe, things like "midcarder" don't exist, so you had two white-hot wrestlers facing each other and one had to lose, and it was Bryan. That loss to Wyatt doesn't hurt him at all, and doesn't make it nonsensical that Bryan can contend for the WWE title in 2 months. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 13:59:52 GMT -5
People are just going to respond with the "well he popped a rating." Yeah, he WON'T be anymore. Curiosity is what popped a rating for TNA when Hogan debuted. Than TNA got a 0.5 3 months later. yeah but people are saying is that Bryan shouldn't win based on reaction and the story should make sense. That's what I want explained. Yeah, Batista doesn't make sense at all, I agree. It's that the rating's boost is the only thing people have to back their argument for Batista. What has he done in the last four years to earn that spot? He's not a big movie star, nor did e have a good MMA career. It's basically Sting coming back to get a big push. Batista was never relevant outside wrestling. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 14:01:35 GMT -5
This is gonna be my last post in this thread. This is a discussion forum with points and counter points, hence why I wanted to be able to post my opinion about the matter without having to worry about being labeled something because I don't agree with it. The only reason I've kept coming back is because I posted a couple of posts in this thread about my opinions regarding the crowd and why it ruined the show for me and I had about 10 people calling me out on things, so naturally I had to respond to them. I'm not here to "poke the bear," I was here to post my opinion on it, but as long as someone responded to me with something that I felt wasn't logical, I responded back. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to defend the opinion that I stated back 20 pages ago that people kept responding to and calling me out about. But that's done now, I'm stepping away from this and the rest of the Bryan threads because I don't want to be getting into arguments like this for the next 3 months. Carry on with whatever you all were discussing. I may not agree with it and you all may not agree with me, but I think that's been stated enough so let's leave it at that. Edit: Also, that Sid account is still fake by the way. I was unaware that the Sid account was/is *potentially* (as I cannot just take your word) fake. Until I get to the bottom of that potential issue I will post the opinions of other past wrestlers of note via their official verified twitter accounts and/or interviews. I made the same mistake when I thought Sid was calling out Cameron on Twitter. I'm still disappointed that wasn't real |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 27, 2014 14:04:18 GMT -5
The logical storyline is the guy who is the most over, winning in the main event at WrestleMania. Simple as. A rematch taking place at WrestleMania? Hmm, that doesn't sound like WWE at all. It's not like last year featured Rock/Cena and Brock/HHH, both of which had been done on PPV within the previous year. WWE has no problem selling trying to sell rematches on PPV. They'll likely have a harder time trying to sell a match where the fans shit all over the two guys in it and chant for a 3rd guy who's not even in the match. Rock Cena was done one year ago ONCE. Bryan/Orton was done 6 months ago literally 10 times in 2013. And Brock/HHH is a match that everyone here said shouldn't have been done, but at least that had a different story with Triple H needing to win to avenge Vince McMahon and his loss at SummerSlam. Bryan/Cena would go from "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" to "I'm gonna show the world that I can do this by winning the title from Cena" Then they should change the premise of the storyline. Instead of doing the GRRR REAL WRESTLING stuff to pander to the Cena haters, they should make it John Cena and Daniel Bryan vs. the World (Wrestling Entertainment): two fan favorites who just want to put on a dream match for the fans with the Authority getting in the way trying to stop it. |
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 14:04:55 GMT -5
Via Mick Foleys official facebook page:
HEY WWE....WHAT THE F?
Yes, I'm going to put a brick through my TV. It's just going to have to wait until tomorrow. I had every intention of putting a brick through my TV tonight, after seeing that Daniel Bryan was not even entered in the Royal Rumble match, let alone going to win the thing. But, upon seeing their dad with a brick in his hand, my younger children got a little bit scared, thinking their dad had lost his mind. A rather spirited debate about the wisdom of following through on the promise to put a brick through my TV ensued with my wife - and, as is usually the case in marital debates, I, being the husband, did not emerge victorious. Honestly, the points she made about mercury and glass fragments everywhere were pretty good ones.
But I'm still going to put a brick through my TV. It's just going to have to wait until tomorrow - when the kids are in school, and I can take the TV outside the house for the actual throwing of the brick. Granted, it's not nearly as dramatic as doing it live, right after the Rumble, but at least I will be keeping my word.
As I mentioned on Twitter, I've never felt so disgusted at the conclusion of a WWE (or any) PPV. Like many of you out there, I just don't get it. This Daniel Bryan thing is a phenomenon. You get it. I get it. The fans in Pittsburgh (yes, I was thinking of writing "RIGHT TH...but I'm just not in a cheap pop mood) got it. But tonight, for the first time, I had to admit to myself that the powers that be are just not going to get it. And that makes me sad. I'm just honestly sad, just flat out f***ing sad (yes, I dropped an F-bomb there to emphasize how F'ing sad I am for the guys who bust their butts night in and night out - Ziggler, Punk, Bryan, etc - with no hope of getting their shot at this year's Mania.
You know who else I'm sad for? Me. In my two years as an official WWE Ambassador, I never once had to lie about my enthusiasm for the company or the product. Now, although I am no longer officially an Ambassador for WWE (believe it or not, my only official role in WWE is as GM for Saturday Morning Slam, a contract that ends in one month) I was till looking forward to being part of the biggest event of the year. I'll probably end up going anyway. But I'm about 1/6th as excited about it as I was just a few hours ago. I wanted so badly to hear 75,000 WWE fans chanting "YES" - and seeing fans walk away absolutely ecstatic about the outcome of a PPV for the first time in a while...a long while. But when given the chance to make it happen (unless they've got something MAJOR up their sleeve) WWE's answer tonight was a resounding "NO, NO, NO".
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