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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:04:58 GMT -5
I'd have zero problem with Daniel Bryan losing clean to Bray Wyatt if it was a common occurrence for the most over faces to lose clean to heels. But it's not. John Cena doesn't do that, Batista won't do that, CM Punk has only done it once in a long time to my recollection (Reigns on Old School Raw).
Bray Wyatt beating Daniel Bryan clean doesn't help anybody. It doesn't necessarily hurt anyone either because Bryan is still over like rover, it just bothers me WWE is playing favourites.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Jan 27, 2014 14:45:59 GMT -5
An open letter to Vince McMahon:
All of this can go away if you just give us what we want. Turn up your hearing aid, we're saying "Daniel Bryan!", not "Batista", "John Cena", or any other stale "superstar". We want a WRESTLER. Thank you.
The fans.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 27, 2014 14:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 14:47:18 GMT -5
WWE.com has a list of the "5 coolest things that happened at the Royal Rumble", and Batista winning is number 1. The comments underneath are hilarious.
WWE: "This is cool!"
WWE Universe: "This show sucked! We wanted Daniel Bryan!"
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 27, 2014 14:50:04 GMT -5
Mr. Vincent K. McMahon,
if you really love Daniel Bryan as some sources have reported, you'll find a way to fix this and give the fans what they want and what they truly deserved.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 14:51:39 GMT -5
Signed the first one, not signing the other two. I love Bryan, but I'm not giving them my street address. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 27, 2014 14:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jan 27, 2014 15:04:22 GMT -5
I don't see why Bryan losing to Wyatt means he shouldn't win the Rumble. When I read how that match ended I thought that meant 100% he would enter the Rumble and play the ultimate underdog.
I'm sure this argument has been put forward, I haven't time to read all 33 pages, but it didn't hurt Bret Hart losing to Owen at Wrestlemania X did it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 15:06:26 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the WWE is deliberately doing this to increase fan investment so they can somehow add Bryan and make it look like it was due to massive fan response?
They could do that.
I don't think they will.
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 15:09:31 GMT -5
Somehow this all leads to Hogan getting a title shot.
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Jan 27, 2014 15:09:55 GMT -5
I'd have zero problem with Daniel Bryan losing clean to Bray Wyatt if it was a common occurrence for the most over faces to lose clean to heels. But it's not. John Cena doesn't do that, Batista won't do that, CM Punk has only done it once in a long time to my recollection (Reigns on Old School Raw). Bray Wyatt beating Daniel Bryan clean doesn't help anybody. It doesn't necessarily hurt anyone either because Bryan is still over like rover, it just bothers me WWE is playing favourites. I admit it was kind of unusual to have the babyface beat the heel (technically that is what happened) on Raw only to have the heel win clean at RR. The thing is if they were pushing Bray towards Cena (and that is what it looked like before RR) and make him look like a legitimate threat in the coming months this is the kind of thing they probably have to do. |
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 27, 2014 15:13:32 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the WWE is deliberately doing this to increase fan investment so they can somehow add Bryan and make it look like it was due to massive fan response? They could do that. I don't think they will. Douchtista could show he's one of the Authority's boys just like Orton and it was all a ruse to make sure the title stays in the Authority's hands no matter what. I'm assuming they'll add a MitB match to Elimination Chamber/Mania or make the EC match for a title shot to make it a three way dance after Batista shows where his allegiance lies. Bryan will get in. Maybe. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 15:15:10 GMT -5
I'd have zero problem with Daniel Bryan losing clean to Bray Wyatt if it was a common occurrence for the most over faces to lose clean to heels. But it's not. John Cena doesn't do that, Batista won't do that, CM Punk has only done it once in a long time to my recollection (Reigns on Old School Raw). Bray Wyatt beating Daniel Bryan clean doesn't help anybody. It doesn't necessarily hurt anyone either because Bryan is still over like rover, it just bothers me WWE is playing favourites. I admit it was kind of unusual to have the babyface beat the heel (technically that is what happened) on Raw only to have the heel win clean at RR. The thing is if they were pushing Bray towards Cena (and that is what it looked like before RR) and make him look like a legitimate threat in the coming months this is the kind of thing they probably have to do. No, it's not. You don't sacrifice your top babyface (in terms of crowd response) to get heel heat for anyone. That'd be like WCW saying "Okay, so Goldberg is jobbing to Raven so he can be a credible threat to Dallas Page". |
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 27, 2014 15:21:58 GMT -5
At this point, even if they stick Bryan into the main event of Wrestlemania and have him win the title, it still might not work, because they haven't bothered to write a compelling and coherent storyline to build up to it. WWE's inability to comprehend the narrative concept of build up and pay off is another major problem. Yep if he wins it'll be a great moment but so what? There's nothing stopping The Authority screwing him out the title the next night. Hell why wait that long, why not the same night? (Hogan recreating WM9?) People have been trained to expect a swerve in recent months to the point that people in the rumble crowd were still looking up the ramp in hope long after Rey came out at #30. Or he wins legitimately and can keep the gold, great but he's already won it, the culmination of his story would be a moment that already happened months ago. Imagine if (non-romantic) movies worked that way. Of course there are ways around that if there was any sense he'd been building towards that goal. If he'd spent the past few months earning his place at WM from the back of queue at the behest of HHH, if he'd been doing Austin style anti-corporate actions, if he'd been dropping Punk style pipebombs, if he'd been rounding up allies and putting them in place for some kind of end-game (as people theorised with Kane, The Wyatts, Punk etc). However there's no sense of him doing anything along those lines, he's basically a passive victim which isn't usually something you want in any fictional hero, he can't even be bothered to fight for a place in the rumble. If they really are fanning the flames for a massive WM moment they've already undermined it. Yes WWE could write it in a way that a Bryan win guarantees the end of The Authority and theoretically they could still salvage the storyline but it seems unlikely, even if they do turn it around it doesn't make the last few months of story telling any better. |
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Jan 27, 2014 15:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 27, 2014 15:34:47 GMT -5
I just finished watched the Rumble match, I was texting my friend throughout with us both already knowing what happened. I commented how with every entrant I was sad that I wouldnt get the hear the huge pop for Bryan's music after a countdown buzzer. As I sent the text a Daniel Bryan chant broke out to which Cole quickly seemed to try and talk over and he was saved by the countdown which cut off the chant and out next was El Torito. Basically just sums up WWE.
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Jan 27, 2014 15:49:44 GMT -5
No, it's not. You don't sacrifice your top babyface (in terms of crowd response) to get heel heat for anyone. That'd be like WCW saying "Okay, so Goldberg is jobbing to Raven so he can be a credible threat to Dallas Page". I should clarify, I didn't say they were trying to get Bray heel heat. I meant they used Daniel to elevate him to make him look more credible as a physical threat for when they sick him after Cena and they already started that last night. Here's some of my ideas. I doubt DB is done with Bray completely and I can't imagine where he's going to go next other than maybe Cena/Bryan/? vs Wyatt Family until WM and it culminating in the Bray vs Cena match they were already planning for or something like that. I just hope they don't jump from A to B too illogically or quickly, just slowly build it up until April. There's that and you just had to know Batista was going to win. It was painfully obvious. I say that because I didn't exactly want to see that either but I've long gotten over the fact that we, the audience, does not control the product like we might like to with our support for certain wrestlers like we think we could. They just don't operate that way. They are a global company with tons of TV time and PPVs and their product is going to be as they want it to be and there's nothing we can really do about it but sit back and enjoy what actually is good. I saw it put this way somewhere today, that if you want to you can "vote" with your tv. Turn the channel when Daniel isn't on and only watch his stuff. You can also vote with your wallet and buy DB merch all you want, but I think people should probably give up on the idea that they can change anything without running the company itself. I wouldn't exactly make the comparison you did though. I'm not comfortable with it just because DB is not built up or booked like Goldberg was nor is he physically threatening like he was. In all honesty, I can't comment too much on that one since I didn't see WCW at all and therefore I doun't know how Raven was booked, but I know Goldberg and Raven outside WCW enough to say I have to be kind of skeptical here. Also maybe realize that it's entertainment and nothing more and getting hot about someone's so-called position on the roster isn't productive or healthy. Do people get that mad when another TV show doesn't go the way they'd like other than maybe rabid fanboys and fangirls? I'm just asking because I really don't participate in any other fandom outside wrestling so I truly don't know. I don't recall hearing Trekkies complain about the show. But maybe that is because I don't know any Trekkies, heh!  |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 15:54:13 GMT -5
The more I think on this, the more it irks me. My three year old watched with me last night. She cried when Bryan lost to Bray, and then later she kept singing his music when the countdown clock would come on in the Rumble. No, I'm not making that up. That's what really ticks me off. In 2006/7 when the adult males were booing Cena out of the building, they kept pushing him hard because they didn't want to alienate all the Cena kids (for good reason). They still to this day claim to be a kids and family oriented product, and yet, look what they're doing with the most family-friendly top star. Kids LOVE Daniel Bryan. I saw two small boys at Toys 'R' Us this past week getting upset because there weren't any Daniel Bryan action figures left. I felt bad for their mom because she'd grab someone else and say "What about this guy?" and of course the kids would have none of it.
I'm an adult. If you don't aim your show at me, I'll get over it. I have real life worries to deal with. Kids don't, nor should they. This is the stuff that's important to kids. People always talk about WWE's huge turnover in fans and how many of them don't remember acts from four or five years ago. Kids especially won't remember them, because some of them weren't even born when Batista left. They've spent their time as a fan loving guys like Daniel Bryan. When I was a kid, we all loved Hulk Hogan. Then Warrior came around and he became the absolute greatest thing since sliced bread to all of us six-year-old WWF fans. And what did the WWF do? They put the f***ing guy over their top star at the biggest show of the year because he was getting the biggest reactions from the fans. They didn't put a glass ceiling over his head and bring a middle-aged Bruno Sammartino back to challenge Hogan because f*** the fans, Vince wants to do this instead.
I'm just annoyed at WWE's hypocrisy. They use kids as an excuse until they want to bring back some tired act from yesteryear, then suddenly they're trying to appeal to the older demographic. Give me a break.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 15:54:58 GMT -5
Oh, trust me, they do
You should have seen the fights within Trekdom over "Star Trek: Enterprise"
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Jan 27, 2014 16:20:02 GMT -5
Oh, trust me, they do You should have seen the fights within Trekdom over "Star Trek: Enterprise" Ok! So much for that comparison then. It's odd because I've been in wrestling forums before and websites but I never saw this magnitude of a shit storm for something that is a basically neverending serial/soap that's been on for decades and will continue probably until people just stop watching. Maybe I've just been really good at fitlering out most of the negativity until now. To get back OT, I love DB and I have for a few years, but right now I feel like I'm one of the few that doesn't see this as the "endtimes" for him. |
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