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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 16:22:27 GMT -5
There's also been a low level Deep Space Nine vs Voyager feud for nearly 20 years, and those Janeway-loving shitheads lose everytime.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:30:59 GMT -5
Also maybe realize that it's entertainment and nothing more and getting hot about someone's so-called position on the roster isn't productive or healthy. Do people get that mad when another TV show doesn't go the way they'd like other than maybe rabid fanboys and fangirls? I'm just asking because I really don't participate in any other fandom outside wrestling so I truly don't know. I don't recall hearing Trekkies complain about the show. But maybe that is because I don't know any Trekkies, heh!  OH YES. In nearly every piece of media that has a fandom, you've got a group of fans that are vocal about their emotional investment with the product. Part of what I'm amazed with is the fact that this is another instance I've seen where people were invested, I mean really invested to see a guy's fight for a title. I don't say too much about it anymore because they ****ed it up for me way back on the Raw after Night of Champions and I've got nothing left emotionally for this show, but I'm all for people getting heated at this. Emotional investment produces some great conversation, at least in my opinion anyway. |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 27, 2014 16:36:10 GMT -5
Ok, this is absolutely staggering. The website of the World's biggest news corporation has a story about this on there and it's the THIRD most read story on there. The only time they ever seem to mention Wrestling is when a famous British Wrestler from the old days dies. EDIT : Make that the second most read. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:38:25 GMT -5
Ok, this is absolutely staggering. The website of the World's biggest news corporation has a story about this on there and it's the THIRD most read story on there. The only time they ever seem to mention Wrestling is when a famous British Wrestler from the old days dies. EDIT : Make that the second most read. It was No.1 early this afternoon. |
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Post by paywindah on Jan 27, 2014 16:38:59 GMT -5
FWIW, PWInsider just posted a hotline for their Elite subs which said that while Vince & Trips recognized what happened, as of now there are no plans to change anything regarding Bryan or Mania. Basically they are paying Batista so much that they have to get $ out of him so he's going to be pushed big time.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 16:43:13 GMT -5
Batista should have been put into a feud with Lesnar.
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Post by Stu on Jan 27, 2014 16:44:35 GMT -5
FYI, everyone, we will continue to use this thread following tonight's Raw. Do not start other threads unless it relates to someone or something other than Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 16:47:51 GMT -5
FWIW, PWInsider just posted a hotline for their Elite subs which said that while Vince & Trips recognized what happened, as of now there are no plans to change anything regarding Bryan or Mania. Basically they are paying Batista so much that they have to get $ out of him so he's going to be pushed big time. Um... can't they still get money out of him if they turn him heel? I feel like heel Douchetista being chased by Daniel Bryan would make more money than "Oh look, Orton is feuding with Batista again". Also, huge laughs at Batista being a waste of money. Triple H is making some huge blunders as a suit, Mistico and soon to be proven Batista being the biggest. |
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Jan 27, 2014 16:47:57 GMT -5
Also maybe realize that it's entertainment and nothing more and getting hot about someone's so-called position on the roster isn't productive or healthy. Do people get that mad when another TV show doesn't go the way they'd like other than maybe rabid fanboys and fangirls? I'm just asking because I really don't participate in any other fandom outside wrestling so I truly don't know. I don't recall hearing Trekkies complain about the show. But maybe that is because I don't know any Trekkies, heh! OH YES. In nearly every piece of media that has a fandom, you've got a group of fans that are vocal about their emotional investment with the product. Part of what I'm amazed with is the fact that this is another instance I've seen where people were invested, I mean really invested to see a guy's fight for a title. I don't say too much about it anymore because they ****ed it up for me way back on the Raw after Night of Champions and I've got nothing left emotionally for this show, but I'm all for people getting heated at this. Emotional investment produces some great conversation, at least in my opinion anyway. At least it seems to have cooled off a bit since earlier and last night. I'm in the same boat as you. I used to get heavily invested in the wrestlers I loved and got mad when things didn't go how I imagined it should. Eventually I got tired of being so utterly disappointed in how things went and now I just take it as it's presented because I have no power to change anything and eventually I just ended up not taking it so seriously and now I can actually enjoy the show, damn the end results or titles. The funny thing to me is, I used to be a kind of belt mark (according to the AJ scenario anyway) where I used to think that that was the end game but really it isn't. I see things a bit differently now and the probable bigger picture is that these guys, DB included are getting paid mucho $$$ to do what they love in front of an audience 300+ days a year and travel the world. I don't think too many are very upset over not having titles. It seems to be a taboo if you are a wrestler who takes that sort of thing seriously at all and you will be made fun of if you do. I think if we were to ask Daniel if he is happy with where things are going and his position in all of it, he'd probably smile and wonder if we were on crack for asking such a thing. Call me an optimist, but that's how I see it. During the UT vs Stone Cold era however, I wasn't such a happy camper being solidly behind UT. Since I thought of it, that angle with Stone Cold and the Corporation/McMahon went on forever and I don't recall it ever getting old. And it carried on for how long? What if they're trying to do this with DB and the Authority with DB as SCSA? That would be awesome imho! You're right, it certainly does produce a whole lot of conversation and that's the fun part. The not so fun part (for me) is wishing people weren't so easily upset about it to the point it can get to be, like the Trekkies mentioned by Hit Girl. That sounds like a total death match between people who have much in common and don't realize it or something like that. I don't know. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2014 17:06:14 GMT -5
#RoyalRumble and WWE are the top trending topics on Twitter right now, probably due to the Bryan petitions. I'm sure WWE will just say "The Rumble is a hot trending topic on Twitter! What a great show!".
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 27, 2014 17:15:34 GMT -5
OH YES. In nearly every piece of media that has a fandom, you've got a group of fans that are vocal about their emotional investment with the product. Part of what I'm amazed with is the fact that this is another instance I've seen where people were invested, I mean really invested to see a guy's fight for a title. I don't say too much about it anymore because they ****ed it up for me way back on the Raw after Night of Champions and I've got nothing left emotionally for this show, but I'm all for people getting heated at this. Emotional investment produces some great conversation, at least in my opinion anyway. At least it seems to have cooled off a bit since earlier and last night. I'm in the same boat as you. I used to get heavily invested in the wrestlers I loved and got mad when things didn't go how I imagined it should. Eventually I got tired of being so utterly disappointed in how things went and now I just take it as it's presented because I have no power to change anything and eventually I just ended up not taking it so seriously and now I can actually enjoy the show, damn the end results or titles. Another example of a fandom with some seriously white-hot opinions about show direction and character focus? Supernatural. I used to be a pitbull in that fandom (Deangirl, multishipper, anti-Wincest for the record), until Kripke and company broke me in S5. I tune back in for the odd episode if Dean and/or Cas is getting something that sounds good, but I'll never follow the show again. Same with WWE. I started to get bored after Shawn retired, but I'd tune in now and again if someone I liked was getting focus. But I'm probably never going to follow the show again, because I've realized that there aren't enough guys now with the pull to steer their own stories and/or the sensibility to construct compelling ones. So what I'd get from the show are some good matches from guys who I know COULD be amazeballs if they were given a little loose rein, but whose potential is going to be choked in the iron fist of WWE's fundamentally uncreative creative team. It's not the type of wrestling show I enjoy, despite some of the talent involved. I don't have so much free time that needs filling that I need to watch WWE even when I'm not liking it, or just as brain candy. Same with SPN, which was a huge part of my entertainment for many years. I'm the sort who can and does drop shows when they're not amusing me anymore. I still post on the forums about them sometimes, if I've dropped in to see what's happening, but that's about as far as it goes. Of course, WWE won't miss any money from me... I never shelled out for PPVs or bought tickets to shows. But I'm an old lady who's been watching this on and off since I was in the single digits, and I doubt I'm the only person in that position with this level of apathy toward the way they're running things now. No one's viewership should be taken as a given, and Vince shouldn't assume that people are so hopelessly devoted to the idea of watching a wrestling show that they'll watch anything. It's a shame for a guy like DB that he came into WWE when WWE started feeling so empty. Maybe he and other talented young guns could've brought the feeling back into it, the importance, the swell of anticipation and pride in the audience when a hero got what he deserved or a villain was defeated rather than the pragmatic "Well, of course so-and-so's gonna win, he does Make-a-Wish / sells merch / is in a movie next month." Maybe their passion could've obscured the puppet strings the way good actors should. But they won't get the chance to do that in WWE, to grow that far, and there's no longer any other worldwide venue for them to showcase those talents to their fullest. So... good for Daniel Bryan, for bringing me back. But it's not worth my time to watch his career wither in the shade of WWE's cynicism, so I'm out again, probably for good. If they couldn't see the chance they had with him, they'll never see it in anyone. They're done. |
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 27, 2014 17:19:47 GMT -5
Serious question here... has anything like this happened before?
Not the storyline etc, but the public outcry and massive bashing from fans and former talents alike.
Obviously its never been easier for someone to gauge public info than now, but I truly cannot remember such a ...disaster... in wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 17:27:22 GMT -5
Somehow this all leads to Hogan getting a title shot. If someone throws salt in Daniel Bryan's eyes, look out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 17:32:39 GMT -5
Serious question here... has anything like this happened before? Not the storyline etc, but the public outcry and massive bashing from fans and former talents alike. Obviously its never been easier for someone to gauge public info than now, but I truly cannot remember such a ...disaster... in wrestling. Only thing I can think of is Mabel winning King Of The Ring whilst the fans chanted ECW. I don't know much about that though |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 17:34:29 GMT -5
FWIW, PWInsider just posted a hotline for their Elite subs which said that while Vince & Trips recognized what happened, as of now there are no plans to change anything regarding Bryan or Mania. Basically they are paying Batista so much that they have to get $ out of him so he's going to be pushed big time. Why dont they get their $ out of him and have him work with Bryan Based on last night a Bryan V Batista match with Batista playing the heel would make a hell of alot of money. |
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 27, 2014 17:37:12 GMT -5
Well this will be interesting
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 27, 2014 17:38:02 GMT -5
Evidently, they're most likely not pushing Bryan because his merch sales are so low. So, come on guys.  I mean, who doesn't want to buy goat/beard related clothing?! |
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Jan 27, 2014 17:43:28 GMT -5
At least it seems to have cooled off a bit since earlier and last night. I'm in the same boat as you. I used to get heavily invested in the wrestlers I loved and got mad when things didn't go how I imagined it should. Eventually I got tired of being so utterly disappointed in how things went and now I just take it as it's presented because I have no power to change anything and eventually I just ended up not taking it so seriously and now I can actually enjoy the show, damn the end results or titles. Another example of a fandom with some seriously white-hot opinions about show direction and character focus? Supernatural. I used to be a pitbull in that fandom (Deangirl, multishipper, anti-Wincest for the record), until Kripke and company broke me in S5. I tune back in for the odd episode if Dean and/or Cas is getting something that sounds good, but I'll never follow the show again. Same with WWE. I started to get bored after Shawn retired, but I'd tune in now and again if someone I liked was getting focus. But I'm probably never going to follow the show again, because I've realized that there aren't enough guys now with the pull to steer their own stories and/or the sensibility to construct compelling ones. So what I'd get from the show are some good matches from guys who I know COULD be amazeballs if they were given a little loose rein, but whose potential is going to be choked in the iron fist of WWE's fundamentally uncreative creative team. It's not the type of wrestling show I enjoy, despite some of the talent involved. I don't have so much free time that needs filling that I need to watch WWE even when I'm not liking it, or just as brain candy. Same with SPN, which was a huge part of my entertainment for many years. I'm the sort who can and does drop shows when they're not amusing me anymore. I still post on the forums about them sometimes, if I've dropped in to see what's happening, but that's about as far as it goes. Of course, WWE won't miss any money from me... I never shelled out for PPVs or bought tickets to shows. But I'm an old lady who's been watching this on and off since I was in the single digits, and I doubt I'm the only person in that position with this level of apathy toward the way they're running things now. No one's viewership should be taken as a given, and Vince shouldn't assume that people are so hopelessly devoted to the idea of watching a wrestling show that they'll watch anything. It's a shame for a guy like DB that he came into WWE when WWE started feeling so empty. Maybe he and other talented young guns could've brought the feeling back into it, the importance, the swell of anticipation and pride in the audience when a hero got what he deserved or a villain was defeated rather than the pragmatic "Well, of course so-and-so's gonna win, he does Make-a-Wish / sells merch / is in a movie next month." Maybe their passion could've obscured the puppet strings the way good actors should. But they won't get the chance to do that in WWE, to grow that far, and there's no longer any other worldwide venue for them to showcase those talents to their fullest. So... good for Daniel Bryan, for bringing me back. But it's not worth my time to watch his career wither in the shade of WWE's cynicism, so I'm out again, probably for good. If they couldn't see the chance they had with him, they'll never see it in anyone. They're done. Great post! That fandom sounds a tad extreme haha! But it does compare nicely it seems. I also had a rather dull period with them until probably DB arrived and things started to heat up again with his being realised for the choke on Justin Roberts. With Nexus, the Shield, the Wyatts, the NXT roster in pretty much it's entirety right now, the Usos, there's so much to enjoy right now for me it's like it's having the opposite effect on me as it did you, because I'm still very interested in what's going on now and what could happen later. Plus it's more of a wind down and chill out and watch thing now for me. I would like to see Cena/Orton drop down out of sight for a bit just to let the rest get a chance too now, but with Batista back I'm a little on the skeptical side because much focus will be on what he does, unless he joins the authority, or even replaces Orton all with DB being solidly involved. I don't know really, I'm just taking it week by week and trying to enjoy the ride. I agree with the creative problem too, so right now my only interest is in the characters and also good matches that we get once in a while. I used to get mad and just stop watching but I just kept coming back to see if there was anything interesting and now there seems to be something going on that I find interesting. I'd also like to see a strong rival company to force them to compete. Although they seemed to to acknowledge that they see TNA and others as problems that they'd be willing to use their Network to force people to chose WWE. I don't see any who are legit "threats" with TNA looking like it's crumbling (hopefully not, just a rebuilding period) and ROH seems to be growing again with the right mix of originals and new guys. WWE was at it's finest imo, when they were at war with WCW and ECW so I believe competition is necessary here as it will force them to re-examine their choices a bit more. I've gone to a couple of shows and bought shirts mostly because they actually came to town for the first time in years and it was fun. House shows seem to be a lot more light hearted and fun but I'm getting away from what I've been trying to say. The most apathetic I felt was probably in the 90s and like you I had other better things to do and it didn't phase me one bit that I missed what seems like it was a serious down time in popularity anyway. And that was when my favorite finally became WHC! I'm not about to shell out for PPVs either, there's too many, they're too expensive and seemingly not worth the money. If they made only 4 per year and as a result making them bigger, I might. To end, the only thing I disagree with you is that this is a down time for DB, I'm thinking it's probably just the beginning of a huge SCSA vs McMahon thing going on only with the Authority and HHH because he's pretty much going to be running it all some day. 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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 27, 2014 17:48:17 GMT -5
FWIW, PWInsider just posted a hotline for their Elite subs which said that while Vince & Trips recognized what happened, as of now there are no plans to change anything regarding Bryan or Mania. Basically they are paying Batista so much that they have to get $ out of him so he's going to be pushed big time. Well, it is a simple response for me, I don't watch wrestling till I see changes which means I don't get WWE Network and I don't watch WrestleMania this year. |
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Jan 27, 2014 18:10:10 GMT -5
Well this will be interesting Steve Austin ✔ @steveaustinbsr Follow I will cover a few topics about #RoyalRumble on #steveaustinshow. Frustrated with lack of Daniel Bryan push? Questions@steveaustinshow.com Steve Austin ✔ @steveaustinbsr Follow Got a shit pile of emails regarding last nights #RoyalRumble. Y'all sound a little pissed off. Interesting development...Stay tuned. #WWE I really, really hope he brings up a comparison to his feud with McMahon. |
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