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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 28, 2014 14:45:23 GMT -5
I was talking about this with a friend who's more hopeful than me that this will all turn out ok. To me it's pretty much ruined now no matter what, obviously I wish success to Bryan but in the storyline it seemed incredibly bad booking to rob themselves of what a great moment Bryan entering the Rumble would have been, let alone winning. If it's a story to make people pissed at the powers that be I just feel really disappointed that a great moment was taken away whatever happens now, those Rumble pops arnt like any others because of the suprise element and that slight pause before a big name's music hits is always so great, oh well! I should have known DBry being scrwed out of the title only to come back, win the Royal Rumble and main event WMXXX winning the unified titles and leading the whole crowd in a massive chant would be too good to be true. Imagine telling someone that scenario a few years ago, but we were so close! Sounds like a smark booking in EWR. Right - again, it can be "fixed" insofar that Bryan might get into the main event somehow, but the damage is done, and the message has been sent: "Unless you fans absolutely clobber us with horrid PR and visions of a ruined Wrestlemania and a hurt financial bottom line, we will make awful booking decisions that run counter to what our fans want to see on a regular basis". It's why I stopped watching when I did; I got the message that things weren't really going to change, and that it clearly wasn't a show booked for a fan like me, so I just cut it out.
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Post by Richard on Jan 28, 2014 14:50:40 GMT -5
So WWE sent out a Fan Council survey today on members enjoyment of Royal Rumble and RAW. It was you basic survey for the most part, asking how you got the show, did you enjoy it, did you like the outcomes, did you like the stories coming out, did you like the winners, what was your favorite match and so on, except for one question:
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 28, 2014 14:51:49 GMT -5
Wait, why Foley?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 28, 2014 14:56:34 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think Bryan not being in the Rumble was a work. And no, I'm not "deluded" in thinking so either.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 28, 2014 15:00:06 GMT -5
If it was a work, they should have done more before the Rumble to emphasise that the corporate power structure was trying to keep him out of it, rather than the desperate last minute rewrite they did after the fact.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 28, 2014 15:05:38 GMT -5
If you think it was the plan before Sunday, good luck to ya.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 28, 2014 15:06:44 GMT -5
If you think it was the plan before Sunday, good luck to ya. Quit it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 28, 2014 15:07:24 GMT -5
If it was a work, they should have done more before the Rumble to emphasise that the corporate power structure was trying to keep him out of it, rather than the desperate last minute rewrite they did after the fact. I'm doing a bad job making my points today. If you can keep doing it better I'd appreciate it.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 28, 2014 15:08:10 GMT -5
If it was a work, they should have done more before the Rumble to emphasise that the corporate power structure was trying to keep him out of it, rather than the desperate last minute rewrite they did after the fact. Why?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 28, 2014 15:08:34 GMT -5
If you think it was the plan before Sunday, good luck to ya. Quit it. Quit what?
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 28, 2014 15:09:19 GMT -5
If it was a work, they should have done more before the Rumble to emphasise that the corporate power structure was trying to keep him out of it, rather than the desperate last minute rewrite they did after the fact. What if it's both? It was a work designed to rile up the audience, but they hadn't realised just how riled up the audience would be?
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jan 28, 2014 15:15:31 GMT -5
Even the reaction from Stephanie and HHH last night was all wrong. In essence what they were saying was "haha...we intentionally booked something that you wouldn't like". That's not really how a heel should function, because it crosses into real world behind the scenes booking shit rather than something part of the kayfabe story. The whole thing about them not wanting Daniel Bryan to get hurt and everything was weak, because Daniel Bryan himself pointed at the plot hole behind it (they've injured him many times before). At the moment, there's an odd situation in WWE where the supposed corporate heels favour Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Batista, Sheamus and almost everyone else, except Daniel Bryan who for some reason they've decided they don't like, with either no, or piss poor reasons given why. Even the reason of being B+ doesn't really help anyone, because that means it makes Daniel Bryan look weak, and makes the heels look weak for picking a fight with something who by their own logic should be beneath them. A feud should get both sides over in different ways. Insults should always be hidden compliments. Perfect analysis. They're almost going to make the fans hate everyone that isn't Daniel. That "someone didn't get what they wanted" line was one of the worst things I've heard on RAW. It's such a shitty cover for the real life problem of the doing what they want compared to what the fans do. they can try to make it the story, but don't believe for a second this was the plan. They wanted Batista to be the conquering hero. Even if he's heel, he'll get the WM main event and Bryan gets placed on the backburner. People lauding that f***ing promo...it's as close to hhh and Vince telling us to f*** off as we're going to get. Glad you deluded yourselves into thinking it was anything else.They've being doing it subliminally for years. At least they finally had the balls to come out and say it.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 28, 2014 15:21:03 GMT -5
My opinion isn't as optimistic as Sean Careless or some other people on here who I really respect their opinion. I watched Raw on DVR last night to see what all the hubbub was about, and, to me, it seems like WWE is just being as stubborn as they were before. They're trying to do a slight-of-hand and rub Bryan's overness to other guys on the roster (hence the muddled Elimination Chamber storyline). I honestly believe that Vince, Stephanie and Triple H think they make the fans forget that they want Bryan in the main event (especially if Sheamus screws him) and still pull off imposing their will on us by making us care about Batista vs. Orton.
I'll proudly admit I'm wrong if WrestleMania happens and it's Bryan vs. Orton or Batista, but I really doubt it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 28, 2014 15:29:12 GMT -5
This should have been the build up to the Royal Rumble...
1- Daniel Bryan says that every time he's won the title, the Authority finds a way to screw him out of the title.
2- He demands a chance to enter the Royal Rumble. HHH says no
3- Daniel Bryan accuses HHH of being a coward. Claiming that HHH is afraid of Daniel Bryan being champion, because he'll be a champion who didn't have everything handed to him in life by knowing the right people, like Orton....or HHH
4- HHH is goaded into it. He says that Daniel Bryan must earn his place in the Rumble, by wrestling qualification matches
5- Over the next few weeks, Bryan gets through the qualifying matches, each more stacked and unfair than the last
6- HHH congratulates him, but says that in order to get into the Rumble, he'll have to wrestle another match on the night, which will be against (some mooks).
7- Bryan faces the mooks and wins. The commentators say "Daniel Bryan will be in the Royal Rumble tonight!!!"
8- The mooks attack him after the match, and kick the shit out of him. Leaving him for dead.
9- They show some backstage shit where Bryan is being treated for some sort of leg injury. HHH smugly announces to the crowd that the doctor's report is conclusive. Daniel Bryan cannot participate in the Royal Rumble tonight. HHH says "I guess those dreams of winning the WWE title at Wrestlemania just ended.....so sad....it really is, lol"
10- The Royal Rumble match begins.....and eventually all 30 men enter.
11- Batista and CM Punk are the last two guys in it. HHH walks out to ringside. He pulls the rope down and eliminates Punk. Batista is declared the winner. HHH gets into the ring and says "At Wrestlemania....it'll be Randy Orton vs Batista for the WWE Championship....so really whoever wins.....Evolution wins.....the Authority wins!!!"
12- Just then....the countdown starts again. A 31st guy??? What is this shit?
13- It's Daniel Bryan. He's hobbling, but makes it to the ring. HHH tries to stop him, but Punk kicks his head in. Batista is stunned, Daniel Bryan gets the better of him, and eliminates him, winning the Royal Rumble to jubilant scenes.
14- Next night on RAW, HHH is angry. So is Batista. This wasn't the plan. What the hell happened??? HHH announces that since the Rumble was only supposed to have 30 men in it, the result cannot possibly stand. Daniel Bryan did not have authorisation to enter it. Therefore Batista is the winner
15- Just then, Vince McMahon's music hits and he appears. He says that yes, Daniel Bryan had authorisation to enter the Rumble. He had Vince's authorisation. Vince created the Rumble. He can do whatever the hell he wants with it. HHH is stunned. He says "Vince....I'm sorry....Dad....why are you doing this?....I'm just doing what's best for business". Vince says "Hunter...I know what it's like to be in your place. Once upon a time I was faced with a superstar who had the world on his side. I let my pride get in the way. Instead of helping Stone Cold, I did everything I could to stop him, and I failed. Everytime I increased the pressure on him, he just got more popular, and by the end of it, my own hatred had turned me into a monster. Well I'm not gonna let that happen this time. At Wrestlemania XXX, we will have a main event for the ages. A main event worthy of Wrestlemania's glorious history. It will be for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Whoever the champion may be....the challenger will be....DANIEL BRYAN!!!"
Daniel Bryan walks onto the stage, Vince leaves, Bryan leads the crowd in a YES chant as the fans go apeshit.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 28, 2014 15:49:48 GMT -5
Even if Bryan wins the title at EC (I didnt know he was in this match when I made my last post) that seems pretty anti climactic with theoretically the biggest WM just the following month, like the hero getting the big win too early. Since it's not a legit sport I cant just be happy that he's winning because I like him, to some it would probably sound petty. But if say Austin had just won the title at the feb IYH in 98 it clearly just wouldnt be like winning the big one at WM.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 28, 2014 16:29:48 GMT -5
That's the thing, people are now thinking it was all a work.
But, I highly doubt WWE planned for their supposed concurring hero Batista being booed. Much less have Daniel Bryan chants over his promo on RAW and the crowd basically shitting all over the Royal Rumble after Bryan didn't enter at number 30. That's a terrible job of a work, because it's affecting everyone involved with the WWE Championship storyline. It's doesn't make sense.
And sure, Triple H's "oh, did somebody not get what they want," was a douchy thing to say. But, come WrestleMania, if they go with their plans, many fans will be pissed off. And rightfully so. You don't openly mock your audience, that doesn't make sense. Give the fans what they want, or they will retaliate and shit all over everything that they feel he should be included in. The fans aren't going to just quietly give up, their going to continue to chant until the guy they feel should be rightfully pushed is pushed. Bryan is as over as Batista or Cena was in '05, yet they outright refuse to give him a push. It's ridiculous and they risk fans being pissed come WrestleMania time, and them shitting all over the show. Either give the fans what they want, or suffer the consequences.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 28, 2014 17:01:32 GMT -5
Like a poster said, this is the strangest situation I've ever seen. WWE knows what we want but won't give it to us. And they aren't holding him back for some special purpose or for storyline, they put extra locks on that glass ceiling. DB isn't getting buried by any means but with fan support like this, you'd think he would be only 2nd to John Cena. If you would have asked me Sunday morning, I would have called it a work too because I was positive DB would enter the Rumble and win. After that and the authority insulting our intelligence the way they did, they are putting quick fixes so they don't lose control of the crowds until WM. DB won't win at Elimination Chamber and we'll start the whole hijacking shows again.
And when it comes to last night, I can't remember an authority figure acting like that. Vince would just yell at the crowd to shut up and he didn't give a damn what we wanted. This isn't a work because WWE isn't that smart but if they do give in, you can bet your ass Triple H and Steph will claim it to be their idea from day 1.
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Post by kolani on Jan 28, 2014 17:11:57 GMT -5
It's a work, they're obviously working the IWC. I'd be on the fence about it like everyone else seems to be if #30 had been anyone but Rey, they know the IWC by and large hates Rey.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 28, 2014 17:20:01 GMT -5
It's a work, they're obviously working the IWC. I'd be on the fence about it like everyone else seems to be if #30 had been anyone but Rey, they know the IWC by and large hates Rey. So their letting other people suffer for a storyline? I highly doubt it. They could have easily put a heel out there like Barrett or Del Rio at # 30 and the people would have booed them as well. But they are heels, so it makes sense. Throwing out a decorated babyface like Mysterio to a pissed off crowd doesn't make him or WWE look good. Anyone besides The Rock would have got booed. And now, people are booing the supposed babyface Batista and shitting all over the main event storyline. That's not good. And, if they do Sheamus/Bryan, people will continue to shit all over the WrestleMania main event.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 28, 2014 18:10:54 GMT -5
Well, the WWE Universe did speak and Raw went down 3% of its viewership from last week
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