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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 28, 2014 18:11:22 GMT -5
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 28, 2014 18:28:20 GMT -5
I think the truth is honestly more in the middle. I think they were building an underlying current of 'Bryan being held down by the man' that they were going to then use and promote to climax at Extreme Rules in Seattle. But the complete hijacking and ruination of their soulless WrestleMania title match direction caught them off guard, and thus they've began steps to expedite the aforementioned story.
AT EC, I fully expect Orton and Bryan to be the last two men in, and somehow, Bryan gets screwed again. Maybe even by Batista, who wants Orton for himself. This will then lead to a returning Vince having had enough of from the sidelines, and putting Bryan into the match in a threeway.
I think WWE has realized they'll have no choice if they want to maintain the PR they crave for the event (all the celebrity buzz and entertainment recaps), and not more TMZ and BBC-esque burying of them being out of touch imbeciles who won't cater to fan demand. Especially when this event is the crown jewel and launchpad of their Network --a Network that cannot afford to be shown to be not worth it via poor decision-making and consumer-disdain.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 28, 2014 18:34:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Jim...no anxiety relief is going to happen when everyone knows full well that what happened on Raw was a change from the original plan, probably because they had to save their own asses. Also, when guys like Mick Foley (who is one of the calmest guys) go out of their way to break a TV, there are problems. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 28, 2014 18:51:34 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think Bryan not being in the Rumble was a work. And no, I'm not "deluded" in thinking so either. They really f***ed it up then. All it woulda taken is one segment with HHH saying Bryan wasn't allowed in the Rumble, and then the boos are cuz the Authority are heels, not because WWE f***ed up. Damage control seems way more likely, unless they just completely went moronic for a second. |
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 28, 2014 19:05:10 GMT -5
I don't think Daniel Bryan not being in the rumble was a work, but I do think they did a good job of cleaning up their mess on Raw.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 28, 2014 19:05:15 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think Bryan not being in the Rumble was a work. And no, I'm not "deluded" in thinking so either. They really f***ed it up then. All it woulda taken is one segment with HHH saying Bryan wasn't allowed in the Rumble, and then the boos are cuz the Authority are heels, not because WWE f***ed up. Damage control seems way more likely, unless they just completely went moronic for a second. But if they had Triple H say officially he was keeping Bryan out of the Rumble it wouldn't be as effective in drumming up support for the guy as the near "media silence" thing they did. It looks less like a real burial, and I don't think they would have gotten as much attention. I think they were wrong to not have Daniel Bryan from winning the Royal Rumble. However, if that was their decision, I can understand the logic behind their method of telling the story of why he wasn't even in it. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 28, 2014 19:07:58 GMT -5
They really f***ed it up then. All it woulda taken is one segment with HHH saying Bryan wasn't allowed in the Rumble, and then the boos are cuz the Authority are heels, not because WWE f***ed up. Damage control seems way more likely, unless they just completely went moronic for a second. But if they had Triple H say officially he was keeping Bryan out of the Rumble it wouldn't be as effective in drumming up support for the guy as the near "media silence" thing they did. It looks less like a real burial, and I don't think they would have gotten as much attention. I think they were wrong to not have Daniel Bryan from winning the Royal Rumble. However, if that was their decision, I can understand the logic behind their method of telling the story of why he wasn't even in it. Realistically though, has/will that attention bring them more $ or cost them $? I just don't buy it being a work, not at the outset. It may be one NOW, certainly. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 28, 2014 19:10:56 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think Bryan not being in the Rumble was a work. And no, I'm not "deluded" in thinking so either. There are a lot of smarkrage-inciting bits of booking over the years over which I'd agree with this assessment, but in this instance, I think they really did miscalculate the crowd reaction. I got the feeling the idea was to sincerely put over Batista as this big conquering hero, and they figured having Bryan compete in the Rumble and then get eliminated would get a bad reaction, so they decided to keep Bryan out of the Rumble entirely and not mention him and hope it'd blow over. |
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 28, 2014 19:13:41 GMT -5
But if they had Triple H say officially he was keeping Bryan out of the Rumble it wouldn't be as effective in drumming up support for the guy as the near "media silence" thing they did. It looks less like a real burial, and I don't think they would have gotten as much attention. I think they were wrong to not have Daniel Bryan from winning the Royal Rumble. However, if that was their decision, I can understand the logic behind their method of telling the story of why he wasn't even in it. Realistically though, has/will that attention bring them more $ or cost them $? I just don't buy it being a work, not at the outset. It may be one NOW, certainly. I think that all depends on the next few weeks and the EC PPV. You have to admit they've done a good job building anticipation to see where they go with this, even if the payoff is bad. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 28, 2014 19:15:37 GMT -5
Realistically though, has/will that attention bring them more $ or cost them $? I just don't buy it being a work, not at the outset. It may be one NOW, certainly. I think that all depends on the next few weeks and the EC PPV. You have to admit they've done a good job building anticipation to see where they go with this, even if the payoff is bad. That's fair, I was mainly speaking to the idea that this was all a plan from the beginning. If it was, they really hung their wrestlers out there to get shit on. |
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Jan 28, 2014 19:20:00 GMT -5
My opinion isn't as optimistic as Sean Careless or some other people on here who I really respect their opinion. I watched Raw on DVR last night to see what all the hubbub was about, and, to me, it seems like WWE is just being as stubborn as they were before. They're trying to do a slight-of-hand and rub Bryan's overness to other guys on the roster (hence the muddled Elimination Chamber storyline). I honestly believe that Vince, Stephanie and Triple H think they make the fans forget that they want Bryan in the main event (especially if Sheamus screws him) and still pull off imposing their will on us by making us care about Batista vs. Orton. I'll proudly admit I'm wrong if WrestleMania happens and it's Bryan vs. Orton or Batista, but I really doubt it. I agree with this. To me, it's like they're just trying to keep us dangling for one more PPV, with all of us tuning in to see if they finally give Bryan the belt and let him headline WM. But I still predict at the PPV he will get screwed by Sheamus (to huge heat), setting up their WM match. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Not being fooled again. If Bryan doesn't win the belt at EC or end up in the title match at WM, I've decided I'm gonna hold off from buying the network. It's just too frustrating any more. All I can do is vote with my dollar, so that's what I'm gonna do. |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 28, 2014 19:20:27 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think Bryan not being in the Rumble was a work. And no, I'm not "deluded" in thinking so either. There are a lot of smarkrage-inciting bits of booking over the years over which I'd agree with this assessment, but in this instance, I think they really did miscalculate the crowd reaction. I got the feeling the idea was to sincerely put over Batista as this big conquering hero, and they figured having Bryan compete in the Rumble and then get eliminated would get a bad reaction, so they decided to keep Bryan out of the Rumble entirely and not mention him and hope it'd blow over. According to some of the dirtsheets, the re-writes on RAW didn't have anything to do with Bryan and was already written. It was stuff like Punk's angle with Kane that got excised, and if I remember right there was supposed to be something with the Wyatts that got dropped. If they're right, that means they purposefully expected Bryan to chanted and were ready to use the crowd for heat. Yeah, it would have been nice if Bryan had won the Rumble. It would also have been predictable. Since Hunter's the one in command of Creative, I could see him playing with expectations a bit and Vince going along with. I'm still convinced HHH's trolling when he first started this angle showed that he actually DOES know what the smarks and others think of him. Some parts of last night could have still been executed better, but that's what I believe. |
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Post by hossfan on Jan 28, 2014 19:24:32 GMT -5
But if they had Triple H say officially he was keeping Bryan out of the Rumble it wouldn't be as effective in drumming up support for the guy as the near "media silence" thing they did. It looks less like a real burial, and I don't think they would have gotten as much attention. I think they were wrong to not have Daniel Bryan from winning the Royal Rumble. However, if that was their decision, I can understand the logic behind their method of telling the story of why he wasn't even in it. Realistically though, has/will that attention bring them more $ or cost them $? I just don't buy it being a work, not at the outset. It may be one NOW, certainly. To me it depends on if this leads to Bryan getting to compete for the title at Wrestlemania. If you can have a match that people want to see with the bonus of not knowing the outcome, that's going to cultivate more interest. So let's say he wins the belt at Elimination Chamber, or is screwed once again right as he is about to win it so he's denied, but Vince or someone else steps to make things right. Either way you can set up a Triple Threat at Wrestlemania where you can't be sure who's going to win between Bryan and Batista. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 28, 2014 19:43:26 GMT -5
Heard talk that there was consideration of making Mania a Triple Threat but I don't buy it. Said in another thread that if I was trying to save their asses, I'd bring Vince back, have him sick of Trips and Steph actions and their ignoring the fans calling for Bryan. That he has watched Bryan overcome everything and proved Vince wrong, that he can be face of WWE and WWE Champion. He cannot change the Mania main event but he can put Bryan in a special match, one that Bryan knows all about and that match is MITB. Make it as obvious as possible without giving it away that if Bryan wins he is cashing in that night at Wrestlemania. Bryan and MITB open the show and he wins.Later in the night Orton rolls up Batista for the shock win, he starts to celebrate, closing pyro and confetti are going off when "No Chance in Hell" hits, Vince says he has a major announcement to make, outcomes Bryan who hands over the case and Vince makes the match official. Bryan runs down, hits TKTBC and pins Orton giving Orton and the Authority some comeuppance, Bryan a major Mania moment and you go into Seattle with Bryan defending his title against both Orton and Batista. Yeah it is far, far from perfect but I like it more than random triple threats, heel/face turns (though I guess you can call the Vince thing one) and potential non-Mania title changes the month before. There are a lot of smarkrage-inciting bits of booking over the years over which I'd agree with this assessment, but in this instance, I think they really did miscalculate the crowd reaction. I got the feeling the idea was to sincerely put over Batista as this big conquering hero, and they figured having Bryan compete in the Rumble and then get eliminated would get a bad reaction, so they decided to keep Bryan out of the Rumble entirely and not mention him and hope it'd blow over. According to some of the dirtsheets, the re-writes on RAW didn't have anything to do with Bryan and was already written. It was stuff like Punk's angle with Kane that got excised, and if I remember right there was supposed to be something with the Wyatts that got dropped. If they're right, that means they purposefully expected Bryan to chanted and were ready to use the crowd for heat. Yeah, it would have been nice if Bryan had won the Rumble. It would also have been predictable. Since Hunter's the one in command of Creative, I could see him playing with expectations a bit and Vince going along with. I'm still convinced HHH's trolling when he first started this angle showed that he actually DOES know what the smarks and others think of him. Some parts of last night could have still been executed better, but that's what I believe. Actually it was changed for Bryan. They made his stuff the first and last to keep people from hijacking the show with chants and scrapped a bunch of matches to make it happen according to PWInsider. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 28, 2014 19:55:16 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks HHH or anyone in creative knew or had any idea the fans would be like this, is dreaming. The way the commentating was and the way the matches went, they really did think that they could have Batista in the main event and people would be fine with it.
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Post by Rican on Jan 28, 2014 19:57:19 GMT -5
Heard talk that there was consideration of making Mania a Triple Threat but I don't buy it. Said in another thread that if I was trying to save their asses, I'd bring Vince back, have him sick of Trips and Steph actions and their ignoring the fans calling for Bryan. That he has watched Bryan overcome everything and proved Vince wrong, that he can be face of WWE and WWE Champion. He cannot change the Mania main event but he can put Bryan in a special match, one that Bryan knows all about and that match is MITB. Make it as obvious as possible without giving it away that if Bryan wins he is cashing in that night at Wrestlemania. Bryan and MITB open the show and he wins.Later in the night Orton rolls up Batista for the shock win, he starts to celebrate, closing pyro and confetti are going off when "No Chance in Hell" hits, Vince says he has a major announcement to make, outcomes Bryan who hands over the case and Vince makes the match official. Bryan runs down, hits TKTBC and pins Orton giving Orton and the Authority some comeuppance, Bryan a major Mania moment and you go into Seattle with Bryan defending his title against both Orton and Batista. Yeah it is far, far from perfect but I like it more than random triple threats, heel/face turns (though I guess you can call the Vince thing one) and potential non-Mania title changes the month before. I like this a lot. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 28, 2014 20:12:23 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Heard that PWInsider says that this whole Bryan thing has caused a big change to the outcome of Elimination Chamber in four weeks, but it's for Elite users, sadly, so I can't go into specifics. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 28, 2014 20:38:29 GMT -5
Heard that PWInsider says that this whole Bryan thing has caused a big change to the outcome of Elimination Chamber in four weeks, but it's for Elite users, sadly, so I can't go into specifics. Batista will do more photoshop material? |
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 28, 2014 20:51:28 GMT -5
I think this was the plan all along. Maybe somethings got changed along the way but I think the endgame was always for Bryan to win the WWE title at WrestleMania.
If they truly wanted to bury Bryan they wouldn't have him be the first man to beat The Shield. And he certainly wouldn't have beaten John Cena CLEAN on the company's 2nd biggest show of the year. If he was being buried Orton would have beaten him once and moved on. He wouldn't be in the main events for months.
I think Bryan will get "screwed" again at the Elimination Chamber but somehow find a way to get into the WrestleMania title match anyway.
I know I could be wrong and if I am I'll change my name and listen to all the "I told you so's" but this the way it looks to me.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 28, 2014 20:55:49 GMT -5
Heard talk that there was consideration of making Mania a Triple Threat but I don't buy it. Said in another thread that if I was trying to save their asses, I'd bring Vince back, have him sick of Trips and Steph actions and their ignoring the fans calling for Bryan. That he has watched Bryan overcome everything and proved Vince wrong, that he can be face of WWE and WWE Champion. He cannot change the Mania main event but he can put Bryan in a special match, one that Bryan knows all about and that match is MITB. Make it as obvious as possible without giving it away that if Bryan wins he is cashing in that night at Wrestlemania. Bryan and MITB open the show and he wins.Later in the night Orton rolls up Batista for the shock win, he starts to celebrate, closing pyro and confetti are going off when "No Chance in Hell" hits, Vince says he has a major announcement to make, outcomes Bryan who hands over the case and Vince makes the match official. Bryan runs down, hits TKTBC and pins Orton giving Orton and the Authority some comeuppance, Bryan a major Mania moment and you go into Seattle with Bryan defending his title against both Orton and Batista. Yeah it is far, far from perfect but I like it more than random triple threats, heel/face turns (though I guess you can call the Vince thing one) and potential non-Mania title changes the month before. With all due respect, they aren't doing MITB at WrestleMania anymore. Vince could find another way to get Bryan into the match but that route's closed. |
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