SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 29, 2014 21:39:09 GMT -5
I already said basically everything there is to say about the Bryan deal and his logical and deserved moment on top at WrestleMania as champion, so I'll add this based on a few comments: No one should ever beat the streak. It's far bigger than any one wrestler now.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 29, 2014 22:10:07 GMT -5
I already said basically everything there is to say about the Bryan deal and his logical and deserved moment on top at WrestleMania as champion, so I'll add this based on a few comments: No one should ever beat the streak. It's far bigger than any one wrestler now. Even if Taker insist on some young guy he thinks will be great (Reigns/Biggie etc) and wants to go out on his back like many other wrestler? I get the thought process of having the streak never end, but it's all up to Undertaker and what he wants. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 29, 2014 22:16:07 GMT -5
I already said basically everything there is to say about the Bryan deal and his logical and deserved moment on top at WrestleMania as champion, so I'll add this based on a few comments: No one should ever beat the streak. It's far bigger than any one wrestler now. Even if Taker insist on some young guy he thinks will be great (Reigns/Biggie etc) and wants to go out on his back like many other wrestler? I get the thought process of having the streak never end, but it's all up to Undertaker and what he wants. I can see that. But I honestly can't see anyone accepting or how others might feel if someone did. Taker's too respected. It's his legacy at this point. |
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Post by Chip on Jan 29, 2014 22:21:54 GMT -5
Even if Taker insist on some young guy he thinks will be great (Reigns/Biggie etc) and wants to go out on his back like many other wrestler? I get the thought process of having the streak never end, but it's all up to Undertaker and what he wants. I can see that. But I honestly can't see anyone accepting or how others might feel if someone did. Taker's too respected. It's his legacy at this point. With all the stories you hear of Taker pushing for a young guy to end the streak I get the impression that he doesn't want the streak to be his legacy. I can understand why though, being remembered for a co-incidence in booking that ballooned when people realised it had been going on must sting a tiny bit, considering all the other work he's done. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 29, 2014 22:43:26 GMT -5
WrestleMania 10 ends with Bret Hart, the leader of the new generation, winning the WWE Championship.
The end of WrestleMania 20 ends with both Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero, both as Champions, hugging as the show comes to a close. Two guy who you thought never had a chance at being on top.
And than came WM 21. The dawning of a new era. With Brock, Goldberg, The Rock and Stone Cold, they have to find people to replace them. They are both John Cena and Batista, who was a heel at the time but was getting immensely over. So, with those two both getting big reactions, the WWE decided to push them according against the two top heels at the time, and have them win their respective Championship. WrestleMania 21 ends with John Cena and Batista as WWE and World Heavyweight Champion. The Attitude Era and "Ruthless Aggression" era are over. It time for a change, and that is John Cena and Dave Batista.
WrestleMania 30 ends with Batista as Champion and the fans shitting all over it? I sure as hell hope now. Both WM 10 AND 21 saw a drastic change in the future of the company. Basically, guys that you never though WWE would push were finally given the ball. Guy's who were never main eventers were given the top prize of the company. People were happy, the crowds were happy, it was a dawning on a new time. Now, were going to have a 45 year old Dave Batista as WWE Champion? That shows you how much times have changed, how much WWE has changed. Before, WWE gave the top belts to the hardest workers, the guy who were the most over, the guys who the crowds collectively liked and cheered for. Now, if they continue to go down the "give Batista everything" route, they basically ruined what could have been a very good PPV and a memorable WrestleMania with 80,000 chanting "YES" as the show goes off the air. Everyone's happy, the people who went to the show are happy. And we get a moment that only comes once in a lifetime.
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Post by American Dolphin on Jan 30, 2014 7:20:54 GMT -5
WrestleMania 10 ends with Bret Hart, the leader of the new generation, winning the WWE Championship. The end of WrestleMania 20 ends with both Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero, both as Champions, hugging as the show comes to a close. Two guy who you thought never had a chance at being on top. And than came WM 21. The dawning of a new era. With Brock, Goldberg, The Rock and Stone Cold, they have to find people to replace them. They are both John Cena and Batista, who was a heel at the time but was getting immensely over. So, with those two both getting big reactions, the WWE decided to push them according against the two top heels at the time, and have them win their respective Championship. WrestleMania 21 ends with John Cena and Batista as WWE and World Heavyweight Champion. The Attitude Era and "Ruthless Aggression" era are over. It time for a change, and that is John Cena and Dave Batista. WrestleMania 30 ends with Batista as Champion and the fans shitting all over it? I sure as hell hope now. Both WM 10 AND 21 saw a drastic change in the future of the company. Basically, guys that you never though WWE would push were finally given the ball. Guy's who were never main eventers were given the top prize of the company. People were happy, the crowds were happy, it was a dawning on a new time. Now, were going to have a 45 year old Dave Batista as WWE Champion? That shows you how much times have changed, how much WWE has changed. Before, WWE gave the top belts to the hardest workers, the guy who were the most over, the guys who the crowds collectively liked and cheered for. Now, if they continue to go down the "give Batista everything" route, they basically ruined what could have been a very good PPV and a memorable WrestleMania with 80,000 chanting "YES" as the show goes off the air. Everyone's happy, the people who went to the show are happy. And we get a moment that only comes once in a lifetime. I think this basically sums it all up. To think a classic, once in a lifetime moment could be tossed away is just upsetting. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 30, 2014 7:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by king1836 on Jan 30, 2014 9:08:27 GMT -5
The only things I want to see Daniel Bryan doing at WrestleMania is A: Winning the Championship or B: Ending the Undertaker's Streak. I've heard rumors of a match between he and Triple H at Mania as well, and while that would be awesome it just wouldn't be awesome enough for me. It's High Time Daniel Bryan gets the biggest opportunities possible. Batista vs Orton as a WM Main Event is a joke, and I like I'm sure a lot of you, have absolutely zero interest in that. If WM30 doesn't end with Daniel Bryan as World Champion, we riot! |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 30, 2014 9:48:19 GMT -5
That's pretty well put. I'm a big believer in letting a good guy take his lumps if it means building up to his moment of triumph more effectively. In today's day and age of wrestling companies being more interested in swerving fan expectations, however, and in an age where big cards and PPV's are so much more frequent than they ever were in the past, you can't constantly pull the rug out from under people anymore, they simply won't accept it (almost to the point where I think many fans are being silly about it, though not so much in this case). Ric Flair made a living off of making you think your hero would triumph, only to pull the win off at the last minute and keep you seething at the thought of him escaping by the skin of his teeth yet again. However, Ric Flair wasn't the focal point of a weekly 3-hour prime time supercard show, 1-2 PPV's a month, and endless online content, and guys like Triple H and Randy Orton simply aren't Ric Flair. |
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Post by Chip on Jan 30, 2014 9:57:36 GMT -5
I think this basically sums it all up. To think a classic, once in a lifetime moment could be tossed away is just upsetting. It's really upsetting, it's upsetting because it makes no sense. Pretty much everyone saw the pieces of the puzzle and where to put what piece to leave Mania with a spectacle that would be recapped in countless promo packages and documentaries. Where we saw a boat, Vince seemingly saw a plane and is desperately jamming pieces into places where they don't fit. For how much they push the idea that they like to send the audience home happy, with wrestlers usually performing a second time just to achieve that goal..... this, all of this, makes no sense. The only way it makes sense to me is the idea that Vince figured we'd discard Bryan in favour of a perceived bigger star in Batista, he figured that that was what would make us happy. |
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Post by Rest easy big bro on Jan 30, 2014 10:14:53 GMT -5
For a guy people say can't draw and such,
He managed to get himself talked about by damn near everyone.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 30, 2014 15:58:09 GMT -5
For a guy people say can't draw and such, He managed to get himself talked about by damn near everyone. But...but...are the ratings going to dictate that? What about merch? Certainly if he was AS over as people expect him to be, then people would be buying his goatface shirts, right? |
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Post by RedSmile on Jan 30, 2014 18:20:05 GMT -5
B: Ending the Undertaker's Streak. oh lawd I'd rather have Roman Reigns end the streak. |
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Post by Boo! on Jan 30, 2014 22:55:54 GMT -5
Assuming Bryan becomes champ sooner or later - how do you sustain him?
Someone said elsewhere he's the "ultimate underdog". How do you keep that alive during a title run, what does that look like in storyline - an underdog champ - how would that be booked? Be interesting to hear opinions.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 30, 2014 23:03:55 GMT -5
You temporarily elevate/showcase various people to challenge him for the title (all the while evaluating them to see if they have potential for a real push down the line). As long as it isn't Rey Mysterio or Cena Wins levels of ridiculous, it'll be fine.
While guys like Dean Ambrose or Bray Wyatt aren't quite there yet, they're perfect as a feud of the month for a fighting champion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 23:09:33 GMT -5
Keep it up with Bryan having hilariously short title runs. Have him break Flair's record with a combined three days worth of time as champion.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 31, 2014 0:11:44 GMT -5
Assuming Bryan becomes champ sooner or later - how do you sustain him? You don't. You milk him for all he's worth, then toss him aside when you can make more money with someone else. Thanks to the Network, WWE's basically going to have a captive audience for the next six months anyway, so they've got plenty of room to experiment. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 31, 2014 0:19:01 GMT -5
Bret Hart style fighting champion, taking on all comers. His gimmick is already "great technical wrestler", play that up as well with a variety of foes. Also take a page outta the Hogan playbook where in the buildup at least it looks like THIS might be the guy that knocks Bryan off; be even easier to do with the underdog thing.
Play up the B+ thing--he's proven the Authority wrong and now they're pissed about it, and desperate to turn to anyone, say a Bray Wyatt even, to take the title back.
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Post by RedSmile on Jan 31, 2014 8:56:04 GMT -5
Assuming Bryan becomes champ sooner or later - how do you sustain him? Someone said elsewhere he's the "ultimate underdog". How do you keep that alive during a title run, what does that look like in storyline - an underdog champ - how would that be booked? Be interesting to hear opinions. Seriously?! 1. Bryan soundly and definitively beats Orton after WM XXX 2. Bryan vs. Cena II 3. Bryan schools Batista 4. Bryan gets vengeance on Bray Wyatt 5. Bryan vs. Lesnar (Summerslam) 6. Bryan vs. Roman Reigns (WM XXXI) That's just off the top of my head. |
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Post by king1836 on Jan 31, 2014 8:57:17 GMT -5
Assuming Bryan becomes champ sooner or later - how do you sustain him? Someone said elsewhere he's the "ultimate underdog". How do you keep that alive during a title run, what does that look like in storyline - an underdog champ - how would that be booked? Be interesting to hear opinions. Seriously?! 1. Bryan soundly and definitively beats Orton after WM XXX 2. Bryan vs. Cena II 3. Bryan schools Batista 4. Bryan gets vengeance on Bray Wyatt 5. Bryan vs. Lesnar (Summerslam) 6. Bryan vs. Roman Reigns (WM XXXI) That's just off the top of my head. I like it! |
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