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Post by 4TheGlory on Jan 26, 2014 23:33:49 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question: If Punk would have won, would the crowd have crapped all over the ending so much? What is worse: Batista of all people winning, or Bryan not even having a chance to try to win?
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Jan 26, 2014 23:35:07 GMT -5
I was in this crowd....I don't yet know how it came across on TV but in hat arena it was ridiculously awesome.
The crowd knew what we wanted & we didn't get it really.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 26, 2014 23:35:53 GMT -5
I'm glad they reacted the way they did. They boo Cena vs Orton before the match started because they're tired of this same old song and dance. These people bought tickets to a show that encourages live fan support. They support exactly who they want and that man is Daniel Bryan. Like it or not, he IS popular and popular enough for however many thousand people to completely turn on a match that lasted over an hour and boo and heckle the minute the last entrant came out. I think the DB chants happened once or twice before Rey came out and then it was until the end of the night. Do not blame the people for not sitting with their mouth closed and just accepting whatever is being fed when they pay to see this.
It does suck for Orton and Cena but until McMahon and Triple H walk out to the ring and ask for an evaluation, the fans are gonna crap on the parts of the show when they feel Daniel Bryan should be out there (WWE title match, Rumble match)
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Post by king1836 on Jan 26, 2014 23:37:55 GMT -5
God Bless That Crowd!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:38:19 GMT -5
The reaction to Cena/Orton wasn't fair in terms of the match quality. But just like a large majority of people who follow the product, they were sick of seeing the same match headline another PPV. Especially when you factor in that its the lead up to Wrestlemania 30, you'd think the company would be making a little more effort than they are to build things up. Of course tonight isn't the be all, end all. But it's not encouraging, more so if you're paying to see an event like the Royal Rumble, which is a known catalyst for run in of 'Mania. I thought it was a pretty fair reaction. I mean, besides the "boring" chants like 20 seconds in, but those were pretty slight. The match was just...blah. They did a robotic, formulaic match then started doing each others moves to get cheap pops. This match was pushed as "one of the most anticipated rematches in WWE history" (a blatant lie), and they didn't really do shit to live up to it. The only part I liked was the Y2J chants and Cena immediately going for the Walls, that was pretty slick on his part. The whole thing was just hokey though, the type of thing a non-fan would watch and go "hah, stupid fake wrestling, it's even lamer than I thought." That Wyatt/Bryan match though, that could suck people in, it was intense and violent and creative. Wrestling is evolving, crowds are evolving, and WWE is stubbornly refusing to.
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Post by saintpat on Jan 26, 2014 23:39:46 GMT -5
The funny thing is if people think WWE are just going to give in. If anything to protect their product they're likely to do the opposite. Just look at how they've dealt with Cena. They know he makes them money so the crowd is irrelevant. THis is a similar situation only...in reverse...live crowd reaction is fast becoming very detached from relevance. Soon it'll all be brushed off as 'bizzaro world' and the opinion fans in attendance will be treated little more than eccentric background noise. Like when an elderly aunt says something a bit off-colour and everyone pretends thy didn't hear it. Or ... WWE is getting dangerously close to having already pushed its "fingerpoke of doom" or "Sting gets screwed by Hogan" button the way WCW did -- not tonight necessarily, but with the bad finishes and overturned results and the "let's put Big Show in his place" booking when everyone was obviously hot for Bryan to go over Orton. It's possible we're nearing a point where the crowd tunes out and PPV/WWE Network sales, TV ratings and live ticket sales reflect dissatisfaction with the product. Just because someone tuned in to see Batista's return -- a big name on TV returning for the first time in a while is going to draw in some people who don't watch every week -- doesn't mean that the paying fanbase wants to see that guy catapulted into a WM main event slot a week later. And you surely don't think they made the decision to book Batista into that position AFTER seeing what the ratings were, do you? I thought Cena and Orton put on a really good match (up until the screwed-up finish) but geez, what was the basis for this match again? Didn't these two just have their "most important match in the history of WWE" just a couple months ago? I didn't see anything during the buildup that made me say, "Yes, I'm buying in that this will be important, that it won't be Orton-Cena Chapter 1,000" so I suspect the live crowd fans felt the same way. Heck, I suspect you felt the same way. I don't think the live crowd gave that one a long leash, and when Randy goes into "headlock rest-hold" mode in the first couple of minutes, the paying customers responded as if they had seen this movie (and all its sequels) before. That's when I heard the first chants, best as I can recall. I watched this with five other people at a viewing party at a friend's house -- three of us pretty invested and three who are pretty casual. The reaction to the crowd was pretty much along the lines of "WWE has really screwed this up" rather than "what's the problem with this crowd?" We were all into the first match and agreed it was awesome, Brock-Big Show was just physical enough and just short enough to not get bogged down in a bunch of ugly, and then came the title match and the casuals (who came to see the Rumble and didn't even know what else was on the card) were trying to figure out why we're seeing the same match we've seen 100 times.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jan 26, 2014 23:40:44 GMT -5
Not really. If he pops tomorrow night's, then yes. If not, then it's WCW Warrior all over again in some ways. It's gonna pop tomorrow, but that's because the Raw after Rumble always does. Yeah, I'm already ready for the smug satisfaction that certain people will have. Of course, the ratings will still be worse every hour.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 26, 2014 23:41:25 GMT -5
I love you, Pittsburgh fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:41:47 GMT -5
I think my favorite chant of the night, besides the Bryan ones, was either, "This is awful!" or, "We want divas!"
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Post by khali on Jan 26, 2014 23:42:33 GMT -5
I was there it was a fun crowd. They actually like a lot of people. Most guys got a good reaction in the Rumble itself. Sheamus in particular every one loved until the end when it was clear Bryan wasn't coming out. With how much everyone loved Bryan, it was clear there would be problems if Bryan wasn't number 30. I felt bad for Mysterio being in that spot. It's a good thing Reigns was there at the end, because that was the only thing that kept the crowd in it at all at the end.
Seems like I enjoyed the show a lot more from being there live.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jan 26, 2014 23:42:33 GMT -5
I think my favorite chant of the night, besides the Bryan ones, was either, "This is awful!" or, "We want divas!" The "you've still got it" chant at JBL was pretty brilliant
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Post by DIIV on Jan 26, 2014 23:42:37 GMT -5
Hopefully this was a wake up call (as if Bryan on the cage two weeks ago wasn't enough) for Vince, HHH or whoever is pushing this shit.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Jan 26, 2014 23:44:17 GMT -5
The reaction to Cena/Orton wasn't fair in terms of the match quality. But just like a large majority of people who follow the product, they were sick of seeing the same match headline another PPV. Especially when you factor in that its the lead up to Wrestlemania 30, you'd think the company would be making a little more effort than they are to build things up. Of course tonight isn't the be all, end all. But it's not encouraging, more so if you're paying to see an event like the Royal Rumble, which is a known catalyst for run in of 'Mania. I thought it was a pretty fair reaction. I mean, besides the "boring" chants like 20 seconds in, but those were pretty slight. The match was just...blah. They did a robotic, formulaic match then started doing each others moves to get cheap pops. This match was pushed as "one of the most anticipated rematches in WWE history" (a blatant lie), and they didn't really do shit to live up to it. The only part I liked was the Y2J chants and Cena immediately going for the Walls, that was pretty slick on his part. The whole thing was just hokey though, the type of thing a non-fan would watch and go "hah, stupid fake wrestling, it's even lamer than I thought." That Wyatt/Bryan match though, that could suck people in, it was intense and violent and creative. Wrestling is evolving, crowds are evolving, and WWE is stubbornly refusing to. I pretty much agree with everything that you said. I was only speaking in terms of the event. The match looked for the cheap reactions such as the kickouts and stealing finishers. They were planned out well enough, helped pace the match a little. But ultimately yeah, you're saying what a huge bunch of people are thinking.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Jan 26, 2014 23:44:57 GMT -5
I think my favorite chant of the night, besides the Bryan ones, was either, "This is awful!" or, "We want divas!" We never got those divas...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:49:38 GMT -5
What's the point if the WWE is going to spin it as their normal "Listen to the WWE Universe. They're certainly vocal" ignorance?
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 26, 2014 23:51:03 GMT -5
I've got the replay as background noise and it's at the part where Lesnar is beating Big Show with the chair for what seems like hours, and not one boring chant or DB chant. IMO, just shows that the fans cheer for Bryan when they feel he should be there.
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Post by Chestnutrice on Jan 26, 2014 23:51:41 GMT -5
It's gonna pop tomorrow, but that's because the Raw after Rumble always does. Yeah, I'm already ready for the smug satisfaction that certain people will have. Of course, the ratings will still be worse every hour. This is the problem I have, yeah Batista popped a rating, but those 2 million ended up leaving by the end of the show anyway because they realized it's the same old shit.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 26, 2014 23:51:51 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question: If Punk would have won, would the crowd have crapped all over the ending so much? What is worse: Batista of all people winning, or Bryan not even having a chance to try to win? I don't think so but I think Rey coming out at 30 was what really set them off. Everyone is expecting a surprise like Bryan or Taker. I think Punk would've got a pop. The crowd got behind Reigns pretty quick. They were really anti-Batista and Sheamus. I felt bad for fella. He didn't deserve that.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2014 23:53:22 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question: If Punk would have won, would the crowd have crapped all over the ending so much? What is worse: Batista of all people winning, or Bryan not even having a chance to try to win? The crowd was NOT feeling Batista. They were actively booing the guy the whole match.
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Post by WinOwensWin on Jan 26, 2014 23:54:04 GMT -5
I just got back from the show, and had a FANTASTIC time. I see that there isn't many good things said about the show here, but I was viewing it through "live" eyes, and loved it.
Yes, the Pittsburgh fans were brutal for Orton/Cena and shit all over the ending of the rumble, but they really popped for the Wyatts, Punk, and the NOA title win.
All in all, I loved it.
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