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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 26, 2014 23:56:49 GMT -5
I just got back from the show, and had a FANTASTIC time. I see that there isn't many good things said about the show here, but I was viewing it through "live" eyes, and loved it. Yes, the Pittsburgh fans were brutal for Orton/Cena and shit all over the ending of the rumble, but they really popped for the Wyatts, Punk, and the NOA title win. All in all, I loved it. I'm glad you had a good time going into business for yourselves and trying to get yourself over
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:58:13 GMT -5
I did enjoy the chanting of "you've still got it" after JBL was tossed in 5 seconds. When chants are moderately clever they're fun.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 27, 2014 0:03:06 GMT -5
As long as they don't chant "What?" during promos, I'm good.
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 27, 2014 0:05:07 GMT -5
It's impressive that this happened at a "regular place" like Pittsburgh. I can only imagine what's going to happen at Wrestlemania when UK fans and fans from all around are there in huge #'s. Or during "the real Wrestlemania", the Raw after Mania. And they announced Chicago and Seattle for PPV's after Mania. That should be fun to watch and more importantly, fun to listen. The road to WrestleMania has stops in Brooklyn and Chicago, this gonna be fun.
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Post by khali on Jan 27, 2014 0:09:06 GMT -5
And I will say too that after Pittsburgh getting ragged on for years for dead crowds, it was nice to be part of a memorable crowd. They weren't dead tonight.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 27, 2014 0:09:53 GMT -5
I still find the decision to leave Bryan out of the Rumble utterly baffling. Surely someone in the WWE must have realised that it would piss people off?
What would be the harm of throwing him in there, letting him stick around for 20 minutes and eliminate a half dozen people and then get tossed himself?
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 27, 2014 0:11:46 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question: If Punk would have won, would the crowd have crapped all over the ending so much? What is worse: Batista of all people winning, or Bryan not even having a chance to try to win? The crowd was NOT feeling Batista. They were actively booing the guy the whole match. Forget the whole match, how about the whole night. When Flair said he was picking Batista to win the Rumble, they exploded with boos, so much that even Flair commented on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:12:19 GMT -5
I still find the decision to leave Bryan out of the Rumble utterly baffling. Surely someone in the WWE must have realised that it would piss people off? What would be the harm of throwing him in there, letting him stick around for 20 minutes and eliminate a half dozen people and then get tossed himself? Devils Advocate in me says it would snuff out the fire...See the great thing about this situation is people ARE going to pay now to do these things and if they hold off giving you want you want it gets crazier and more heated thus more money...A slow burn is always the best cook
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Post by Chestnutrice on Jan 27, 2014 0:15:30 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question: If Punk would have won, would the crowd have crapped all over the ending so much? What is worse: Batista of all people winning, or Bryan not even having a chance to try to win? Punk has that whole "dream" of closing Mania, so I doubt he would've gotten too many boos. Batista got booed as soon as he got out there, didn't help he looked gassed and sloppier than Rock ever has. I don't know though, people were just disappointed that 30 was Mysterio, kind of like the year when Big Show came out last and fans started chanting boring.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 27, 2014 0:15:53 GMT -5
I still find the decision to leave Bryan out of the Rumble utterly baffling. Surely someone in the WWE must have realised that it would piss people off? What would be the harm of throwing him in there, letting him stick around for 20 minutes and eliminate a half dozen people and then get tossed himself? Devils Advocate in me says it would snuff out the fire...See the great thing about this situation is people ARE going to pay now to do these things and if they hold off giving you want you want it gets crazier and more heated thus more money...A slow burn is always the best cook Even at a low heat it's possible to burn a roast.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 27, 2014 0:19:02 GMT -5
I still find the decision to leave Bryan out of the Rumble utterly baffling. Surely someone in the WWE must have realised that it would piss people off? What would be the harm of throwing him in there, letting him stick around for 20 minutes and eliminate a half dozen people and then get tossed himself? But they can't paint themselves into a corner. If they put him in and he doesn't win it gets crapped over, if they don't put him in it gets crapped over. Like it or not they want to push who they want to push and chances are some research/logic goes into it. If their numbers tell them momentum is with Batista or anyone else - that's what they'll do. if Bryan was in that Rumble yes the live crowd would have loved it but EVERYONE would have got buried and the company understandably didn't go down that road. Bryan's popularity with the live crowd is likely seen as an unwelcome distraction. if people just supported him like they do other guys and cheered him I'd say they may have been likely given him that re-push to the top. But because it spills over into crapping on essentially the rest of the product the odds are they're going to either ignore the crowd or try and slowly kill his heat. No matter how popular Bryan may or may not be I doubt he's considered valuable enough for his sheer presence to continue to distract (via the live crowd) the rest of the product. This is where I think the whole thing lets itself down. If people massively got behind him it would be far better for his prospects than what happens now which is big live-crowd support but also negatively impacting what else is presented on the show. The crowd had an opportunity to show Bryan should be pushed but IMO there's now a very, very good chance they'll do the opposite and try and kill his heat because you cannot have every show overshaddowed and every major angle crapped on like that. Even Hulk Hogan himself, if during the day every big match not to feature him was crapped on -there'd be an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:19:32 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question: If Punk would have won, would the crowd have crapped all over the ending so much? What is worse: Batista of all people winning, or Bryan not even having a chance to try to win? The crowd was NOT feeling Batista. They were actively booing the guy the whole match. I was pretty damn surprised that he got booed as soon as he came out. I thought fans were unanimously pretty psyched for the guy, save for a few curmudgeons like myself. Nostalgia is one thing, but 4 years isn't enough time for nostalgia.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 27, 2014 0:19:42 GMT -5
The crowd was NOT feeling Batista. They were actively booing the guy the whole match. Forget the whole match, how about the whole night. When Flair said he was picking Batista to win the Rumble, they exploded with boos, so much that even Flair commented on it. Vince phoned JR to rehire and fire him again in the same call because of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:21:39 GMT -5
All I can say is I cant wait to hopefully survive another 10 years to watch the shoot tapes coming from these last 5 years
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Post by Boo! on Jan 27, 2014 0:23:56 GMT -5
All I can say is I cant wait to hopefully survive another 10 years to watch the shoot tapes coming from these last 5 years Imagine how many different show formats that guy from Kayfabe Commentaries is going to have to come up with as an excuse to keep interviewing Jim Cornette in 10 years. It's a creative mind WWE could do with.
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Post by Da (No Sold) 7-1-3 Itch on Jan 27, 2014 0:24:52 GMT -5
Loved the crowd. They made for some great chants that made me laugh.
I felt kind of vindicated that they loudly told the company how bad they mishandled Bryan's situation.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 27, 2014 0:26:54 GMT -5
All I can say is I cant wait to hopefully survive another 10 years to watch the shoot tapes coming from these last 5 years Imagine how many different show formats that guy from Kayfabe Commentaries is going to have to come up with as an excuse to keep interviewing Jim Cornette in 10 years. It's a creative mind WWE could do with. "So, Jim, I hear Steen coughed once when you were in the room, how did you not blow up on the guy?"
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Post by saintpat on Jan 27, 2014 0:37:08 GMT -5
I still find the decision to leave Bryan out of the Rumble utterly baffling. Surely someone in the WWE must have realised that it would piss people off? What would be the harm of throwing him in there, letting him stick around for 20 minutes and eliminate a half dozen people and then get tossed himself? But they can't paint themselves into a corner. If they put him in and he doesn't win it gets crapped over, if they don't put him in it gets crapped over. Like it or not they want to push who they want to push and chances are some research/logic goes into it. If their numbers tell them momentum is with Batista or anyone else - that's what they'll do. if Bryan was in that Rumble yes the live crowd would have loved it but EVERYONE would have got buried and the company understandably didn't go down that road. Bryan's popularity with the live crowd is likely seen as an unwelcome distraction. if people just supported him like they do other guys and cheered him I'd say they may have been likely given him that re-push to the top. But because it spills over into crapping on essentially the rest of the product the odds are they're going to either ignore the crowd or try and slowly kill his heat. No matter how popular Bryan may or may not be I doubt he's considered valuable enough for his sheer presence to continue to distract (via the live crowd) the rest of the product. This is where I think the whole thing lets itself down. If people massively got behind him it would be far better for his prospects than what happens now which is big live-crowd support but also negatively impacting what else is presented on the show. The crowd had an opportunity to show Bryan should be pushed but IMO there's now a very, very good chance they'll do the opposite and try and kill his heat because you cannot have every show overshaddowed and every major angle crapped on like that. Even Hulk Hogan himself, if during the day every big match not to feature him was crapped on -there'd be an issue. If that's the way the company thinks, it's bad business and based on, at best, an unproven assumption. If WWE gives the crowd what it wants, that crowd is more than likely going to "go along" with the other parts of the show. They didn't like the title match because it has been done 1,000 times before and because, most likely, they believe Bryan should be in the title picture. But the crowd didn't crap on the tag match. Didn't crap on the Brock-Big Show match. And popped in a big way for most everyone in the Rumble, and for the big spots in the Rumble ... until it became evident at No. 30 that it wasn't going to get what it wants. All analogies are imperfect, as this one will be, but it's much like an established band going on tour and refusing to play its old hits while insisting on playing only the stuff from the new album (in this case it's the 'new' thing the crowd wants, but I think you get the point). If the band plays the hits that the paying crowd wants and mixes in the new stuff, they will listen. But if they start booing all the new songs and chanting for the old ones, what sense does it make to not give them what they want and what they are paying for?
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Post by Boo! on Jan 27, 2014 0:53:01 GMT -5
Personally I've found the Wyatts/Bryan feud to be one of the most interesting TV angles in recent weeks so I'm glad that went ahead. I presume others felt the same. But his omission from the world title match caused outrage. His omission from the Rumble caused indignation.
Is the slogan 'If Daniel Bryan's not in the opening match, world title match and doesn't win the Rumble...we riot' ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:55:15 GMT -5
That crowd deserves MVP of the night. Without them, I'm not sure anything past Bryan vs Wyatt would have even been worth watching.
Pittsburg saved that PPV in many respects. They basically showed that its not just internet smarks who are fed up with some of the things happening in WWE.
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