Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2014 3:09:25 GMT -5
I didn't see the rumble as I recently moved house and don't have Sky TV or proper internet up yet. But from the sounds of it they were just short of ECW filling the ring with chairs? Nah, they were crazed but they couldn't muster up the courage to toss a cup, let alone a chair. Then again at $8 I don't know that, that thought would have crossed my mind. I said they should fill the ring with garbage. My buddy, the only reason I watched the show, we like to get together to watch Rumble and Mania, pointed out they'd just take it as good heat and push him even more.
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Post by Error on Jan 27, 2014 3:12:23 GMT -5
Nah, they were crazed but they couldn't muster up the courage to toss a cup, let alone a chair. Then again at $8 I don't know that, that thought would have crossed my mind. I said they should fill the ring with garbage. My buddy, the only reason I watched the show, we like to get together to watch Rumble and Mania, pointed out they'd just take it as good heat and push him even more. I don't think it'd work on the Batista win. They were playing him as the returning hero and the returning hero getting pelted with garbage would not be a visual the McMahons would like. Note: I am not calling for the throwing of garbage.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 27, 2014 3:12:41 GMT -5
I didn't see the rumble as I recently moved house and don't have Sky TV or proper internet up yet. But from the sounds of it they were just short of ECW filling the ring with chairs? Nah, they were crazed but they couldn't muster up the courage to toss a cup, let alone a chair. Then again at $8 I don't know that, that thought would have crossed my mind. I want to throw my hot dog at Orton but damn, he isn't worth the $10 + condiments!
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2014 3:14:25 GMT -5
I said they should fill the ring with garbage. My buddy, the only reason I watched the show, we like to get together to watch Rumble and Mania, pointed out they'd just take it as good heat and push him even more. I don't think it'd work on the Batista win. They were playing him as the returning hero and the returning hero getting pelted with garbage would not be a visual the McMahons would like. Note: I am not calling for the throwing of garbage. Yeah, but it's too easy to go, "what a great reaction!! He can be heel now!" They have Lesnar vs. Goldberg 2 on their hands if they don't do something, only way, way, way, way more fans.
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Post by bootytea on Jan 27, 2014 3:21:56 GMT -5
They did a good job representing the things I like and dislike, but knowing WWE, their voices will be ignored.
It would have been much more effective if people starting leaving.
All they really proved is that they will show their disdain, but not care enough to abandon a crappy show.
Its probably the same reason why WWE kept booking itself the way it did in 1995.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 3:36:57 GMT -5
I loved how they gave pretty much everybody in the Rumble except Del Rio a good reaction. That was pretty great. That was Jinder Mahal levels of just outright killing the crowd when they were hot a moment prior.
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Post by The Peck™ Says… on Jan 27, 2014 4:18:49 GMT -5
I'm getting tired of the notion that Daniel Bryan is the "Internet guy" or the "IWC darling" or a "favorite of the smarks." I was a part of the Pittsburgh crowd last night and can tell you that the kids in front of me, the kids next to me, the kids behind me...they were ALL chanting for Bryan throughout Orton/Cena and the latter stages of the Rumble match itself.
To me, it clarifies one thing: it doesn't matter if the kiddies/PG crowd likes a guy. Because if the Internet Wrestling Community LOVES a guy, it trumps everything else. It doesn't matter. It's as if Vince & Co. book the opposite of what the "smart mark" wrestling fans want even if it flies in the face of what your "mainstream" audience desires as well. Now, I'm not paranoid enough to actually believe that Vince books a show just to anger wrestling fan communities like ours, but it certainly feels that way and has the same effect. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Daniel Bryan appealed to every man, woman and child in the CONSOL Energy Center. There was a palpable buzz before, during and ESPECIALLY after the event. This is not John Cena we are talking about here. There is no split. Daniel Bryan does not fit the Cole/Lawler talking points of being a polarizing or controversial Superstar. He was universally loved by the Pittsburgh crowd, which makes the WWE's reasoning behind his positioning all the more puzzling.
And a quick note on ratings, especially quarter-hour ratings. Correlation does not exactly imply causation. I watched the start of last Monday's RAW show not necessarily to see Batista, but because I typically tune-in to see the opening segment. I'm sure other people's viewing habits are similar. Sometimes I'm switching over at 9pm EST because the show that I was watching at 8pm just ended. Or I'll tune out at 10pm to watch another show, not because something in Q9 wasn't interesting to me. I think the folks at Titan Towers put entirely too much stock into these numbers based on who appears in the segment. IMO, ratings have less to do with interest in your show and more to do with the interest in competing TV programs over the same time period. The only time I think ratings are useful with regard to audience interest is when there is a gigantic spike in the ratings over a certain point in the show (something like the Rock's return in 2011). Anything less than a large increase in ratings is too tenuous from which to draw a definite conclusion.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 27, 2014 4:43:50 GMT -5
Note: I am not calling for the throwing of garbage. I am. It was the only thing missing.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jan 27, 2014 5:28:21 GMT -5
Coming off my post-PPV high, I forgot to ask: Did WWE announce an attendance figure on the PPV? Because the arena was absolutely jammed last night! No joke, the line to get in stretched past the building; it took me about an hour to reach the front door and I almost missed the pre-show match.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 27, 2014 5:41:02 GMT -5
Coming off my post-PPV high, I forgot to ask: Did WWE announce an attendance figure on the PPV? Because the arena was absolutely jammed last night! No joke, the line to get in stretched past the building; it took me about an hour to reach the front door and I almost missed the pre-show match. 15,715.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jan 27, 2014 5:42:05 GMT -5
Coming off my post-PPV high, I forgot to ask: Did WWE announce an attendance figure on the PPV? Because the arena was absolutely jammed last night! No joke, the line to get in stretched past the building; it took me about an hour to reach the front door and I almost missed the pre-show match. 15,715. Thanks!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 27, 2014 6:21:58 GMT -5
You would think they'd use the ratings spike from guys like Batista to showcase other talent. Even if he's going full time, Batista's old, both in physical age and how long he's been on TV, he won't be around much so why build just around him?
At the first Wrestlemania and the 14th, the WWF hired big stars and knew that they'd have higher ratings, so they showed off Hogan/Austin so that people would come for one thing, but stay for the guys that were driving the company forward and were quite successful.
With The Rock and Batista, I would have thought they'd use a similar process, that ratings are down, there will be a spike, so show off all the awesome things they have now so people stick around.
If a higher number of people tune and see Orton/Cena part CVII what reason would they have to stay? Especially if they see the crowd getting really behind a guy that only has 1 match. What impression does that give? That the same old guys are getting the main events and someone the people watching really love is being wasted, I personally would see that as a bad sign and be less inclined to stick around.
The way Bryan gets the fans behind him quickly, the people tuning in would at the very least be interested in what's happening, why do people like this guy? What does he do? What's his story? They find out he is a really great wrestler who isn't being rewarded in proportion with his talent and overness, won't they be dissapointed?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 27, 2014 6:24:22 GMT -5
I don't think this is a case like the post-Mania crowd that was chanting any random shit to distract from the match, they were completely letdown by the evening and they booed accordingly and I'm down with that.
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Post by steamboat1 on Jan 27, 2014 6:32:47 GMT -5
This seemed to be a very polarizing situation and one that could impact a lot of things in regards to the production (toning down the noise) or the booking...What is your stance on their outright synchronized lunacy? For once I do not think they were going to business for themselves as others say It won't do anything as far as the booking. Vince books what he thinks will make him the most money and get him elevated in the eyes of Hollywood at all costs. What better way than to have the star of the movie of the summer win your title at your biggest event, regardless of how popular somebody is. Why is John Cena still in the main event? Cause the guy sells a TON of merch and makes Vince a boatload of cash. That is all Vince has ever and will ever care about in running his business.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 27, 2014 6:58:26 GMT -5
This seemed to be a very polarizing situation and one that could impact a lot of things in regards to the production (toning down the noise) or the booking...What is your stance on their outright synchronized lunacy? For once I do not think they were going to business for themselves as others say It won't do anything as far as the booking. Vince books what he thinks will make him the most money and get him elevated in the eyes of Hollywood at all costs. What better way than to have the star of the movie of the summer win your title at your biggest event, regardless of how popular somebody is. Why is John Cena still in the main event? Cause the guy sells a TON of merch and makes Vince a boatload of cash. That is all Vince has ever and will ever care about in running his business. Surely you'd have Batista win around the time the movie's out then. Does anyone have numbers on merch actually? I mean, Cena moves the most, but he seems to have the most diverse range, per item I wonder where Bryan is.
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Post by evilone on Jan 27, 2014 7:03:44 GMT -5
i'm ok with crowd reacting to what they like/don't like but completely hijacking a good match (imo only) Orton/Cena? This was my issue. I get the whole "the crowd paid for their tickets they can do what they want" but I feel it's just disrespectful to shit on two very good workers who have busted their arses for years, especially when they chanted "this is boring" barely two minutes into the match. Orton and Cena have been two of the best performers for the last few years. The "We Want Divas" chant did make me laugh though. As far as I'm concerned, I still own the title of being the best crowd for being in the Miami Raw crowd. Cheers lads. You know why they did it? Because its an encore! They've seen it already too many times and it's been predictable. That's why.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 27, 2014 8:12:47 GMT -5
The funny thing is if people think WWE are just going to give in. If anything to protect their product they're likely to do the opposite. Just look at how they've dealt with Cena. They know he makes them money so the crowd is irrelevant. THis is a similar situation only...in reverse...live crowd reaction is fast becoming very detached from relevance. Soon it'll all be brushed off as 'bizzaro world' and the opinion fans in attendance will be treated little more than eccentric background noise. Like when an elderly aunt says something a bit off-colour and everyone pretends thy didn't hear it. I'd say live crowd reaction is hugely important right now as they're negotiating their new TV deals. TV companies and their advertisers want to be associated with large happy crowds and don't want people shitting on the product or empty seats creating a negative association. Those empty seats could happen the way they're going, how many fans who attend that rumble will think twice about buying tickets the next time WWE come to town? Same thing with some of the other recent crap PPVs like Battleground. WWE also clearly wanted last night to be Batista's triumphant heroic return so probably weren't too happy with the boos, a crowd reacting positively makes for a much better video package to sell the PPV. Cena at his most hated was a unique situation where he was top face and top heel at the same time so many people were still happy to pay to see him on top, I'm not sure that anybody on the current roster can capture those same feelings. I'm not saying other factors aren't important but to some degree they're all dependent on live crowds.
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Post by CM Parish on Jan 27, 2014 8:26:59 GMT -5
Don't understand why they couldn't have had Bryan in and eliminated near to the end. Maybe by his next feud, because he's not gonna be feuding with Wyatt or in the title picture. What is he going to do?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 9:18:02 GMT -5
For the people who say the crowd doesn't have the right to chant what they want....you're starting to remind me of this.
Maybe you should go the show and tell the crowd that their cast member and that they have to cheer for Cena, boo Orton and don't chant for Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 9:42:19 GMT -5
It's impressive that this happened at a "regular place" like Pittsburgh. I can only imagine what's going to happen at Wrestlemania when UK fans and fans from all around are there in huge #'s. Or during "the real Wrestlemania", the Raw after Mania. And they announced Chicago and Seattle for PPV's after Mania. That should be fun to watch and more importantly, fun to listen. I honestly think whats happening are Attitude era fans are returning to the company. Looking in the crowd most the people seemed to be Adult males of the age where they would have been growing up watching the Attitude era. And there were lots and lots of tshirts from that time in the crowd. It's a trend I've noticed happening alot recently. I really doubt these fans are coming back for the likes of Orton, Cena, Batista or Lesnar who were the stars during the years they all more than likely gave up on the product. If anything CM Punk was the start of bringing these fans back and now Bryan is bringing even more of them back. There is a reason Goldust and The New Age Outlaws get a huge positive reaction whilst Batista gets a negative reaction (he was getting booed well before everyone realised Bryan wasn't coming out) basically these fans want to see Attitude Era stars and the next generation like Bryan, Punk, The Shield and Ziggler (for better or worse). WWE instead of listening seem hell bent on pushing stars from an era they should be transistioning out of right now but have cold feet about doing so. On top of that I think the post Mania Raw crowd sort of set a precedent to other fans that if you are bored of something it is ok to voice your displeasure
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