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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 11:40:50 GMT -5
No specifics, but simple logic tells me that if they go from charging $50 or whatever per buy to having all PPVs included in a $60 package that the guys aren't going to be getting those huge paydays anymore. I could be wrong on that but I don't see how they could. Ok, but to play Devil's Advocate, could wrestlers theoretically get paid more money for those lesser PPVs that don't normally sell as well, but since they are part of the WWE network package, the "buys" will be up? I wouldn't dare try to come up with some hypothetical formula, but if each monthly pay per view has increased viewership, shouldn't they be getting more money despite the cost being spent by the audience is smaller? I dunno, one other issue with that is that essentially, PPVs are being bought six months in advance. So that might wind up delaying PPV payoffs just to make it easier to divide up the money, and there's really no way to do anything of the sort in advance because I doubt they've even settled on an Elimination Chamber line-up right now, much less a Money in the Bank one. Plus, you know, it's not just PPV money going toward the network. They're going to have to somehow completely overhaul how they pay people or they're just going to f*** them over, which without saying anything seems to be the plan.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 29, 2014 11:41:03 GMT -5
Sounds more like taking a break than 'walking out' wouldn't be surprised if they worked this as an angle where Kane is granted permission to suspend him indefinitely and he returns two weeks before Mania to set up a match in New Orleans. We're still 10 weeks away so if he needs time off maybe he's been granted these 8 weeks leave to heal up and recover.
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Post by Kitchen Sink on Jan 29, 2014 11:42:49 GMT -5
This is the worst WWE related news I've heard since Edge's retirement. However, I don't blame him for leaving. He worked his arse off for the better part of 8 years to get to the top spot and that all goes to waste because WWE has a hard-on for part-timers. One can only hope Punk comes back a few years down the line and gets handed a WM main event.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 29, 2014 11:45:13 GMT -5
Honestly, if Punk wants to main event WM this is probably the best thing for him to do so that when he does return he can leverage himself in one at the expense of younger talent like Batista did this year!
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Post by badkarma on Jan 29, 2014 11:46:27 GMT -5
No specifics, but simple logic tells me that if they go from charging $50 or whatever per buy to having all PPVs included in a $60 package that the guys aren't going to be getting those huge paydays anymore. I could be wrong on that but I don't see how they could. Ok, but to play Devil's Advocate, could wrestlers theoretically get paid more money for those lesser PPVs that don't normally sell as well, but since they are part of the WWE network package, the "buys" will be up? I wouldn't dare try to come up with some hypothetical formula, but if each monthly pay per view has increased viewership, shouldn't they be getting more money despite the cost being spent by the audience is smaller? You are extremely close to the truth in this matter, but not quite there. It's not about the wrestlers getting paid via those theoretical PPV numbers, but the McMahon's. They used Batista's return to pop the Raw rating so they can charge more for advertising on the WWE network. All of their decisions are based around generating income via the network and not about the actual wrestle-tainment they produce. They know that the wrestling fans will show up no matter what, but to expand their audience further, they have to water down the product to make it more palatable for the masses. That is what they believe, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 11:46:59 GMT -5
Citizens in revolt, civil wars with the fandom, WWE still building monuments to their greatness. So begins the fall of another empire.*
*yes this is hyperbole for the sake of hyperbole
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 29, 2014 11:47:07 GMT -5
Sounds more like taking a break than 'walking out' wouldn't be surprised if they worked this as an angle where Kane is granted permission to suspend him indefinitely and he returns two weeks before Mania to set up a match in New Orleans. We're still 10 weeks away so if he needs time off maybe he's been granted these 8 weeks leave to heal up and recover. Yeah, from the wording at this point, at least. It does sound like it may not be a completely angry, rash split.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 29, 2014 11:48:27 GMT -5
Honestly, if Punk wants to main event WM this is probably the best thing for him to do so that when he does return he can leverage himself in one at the expense of younger talent like Batista did this year! He's gotta be in a movie first in order to make that power play
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 29, 2014 11:49:33 GMT -5
Cena: "You know, CM Punk took his ball and went home. Well, I'll be here forever to entertain the WWE Universe!"
"BOOOOOOOOO!!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 11:50:37 GMT -5
Honestly, if Punk wants to main event WM this is probably the best thing for him to do so that when he does return he can leverage himself in one at the expense of younger talent like Batista did this year! He's gotta be in a movie first in order to make that power play I hear he's been making calls to see if they need to cast Ink for X-Men: Apocalypse.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 29, 2014 11:51:19 GMT -5
Oh, I would bet money that this is a power play. Punk ain't dumb, he knows how to play the game. Can't get something you want? Walk out and force them to give into your demands. It's a precedence that WWE only has themselves to blame for creating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 11:51:35 GMT -5
Bo Dallas needs to debut and let everyone know that Punk may be gone but Bo is here to embrace his fans.
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Post by king1836 on Jan 29, 2014 11:51:47 GMT -5
Citizens in revolt, civil wars with the fandom, WWE still building monuments to their greatness. So begins the fall of another empire.* *yes this is hyperbole for the sake of hyperbole Every Empire Falls. Rome, Spain, Soviet Union, now WWE.
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 29, 2014 11:54:34 GMT -5
Ok, but to play Devil's Advocate, could wrestlers theoretically get paid more money for those lesser PPVs that don't normally sell as well, but since they are part of the WWE network package, the "buys" will be up? I wouldn't dare try to come up with some hypothetical formula, but if each monthly pay per view has increased viewership, shouldn't they be getting more money despite the cost being spent by the audience is smaller? But like... ok say 1.5x the people who buy Wrestlemania buy the network, so it's like a generous 800k domestic buys. that's like 300k buys at $60 spread across the remaining 5 PPVs, including Summerslam. So money-wise it's like Wrestlemania did the same and all 5 of those PPVs got 50k domestic buys. Granted they get more of that money than they would going through PPV companies, but even if they double their money earned per dollar spent it's still 100k buys which would be a dismal Summerslam or MITB figure. For context the rumor is that Battleground and Hell in a Cell combined for 363k buys (worldwide), which prompted no small amount of panic. I guess that's all conjecture, who knows how it's going to work out. Current key performance indicators buyrate chart for 2011-2013 ( ir.corporate.wwe.com/Cache/1001181648.PDF?Y=&O=PDF&D=&fid=1001181648&T=&iid=4121687 ): Imagine that being a flat line around the 50-150 mark and it's a concern if those spikes are your livelihood. Isn't the hope that by cutting out the middleman and offering it for $9.99/month (with a 6 month commitment), they would not only be making more money per subscriber, but they would also get way more people buying the network than would ever buy a PPV, thus balancing it out? Has any math been done on how many subscribers would be needed to get to that quota?
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Post by bootytea on Jan 29, 2014 11:56:36 GMT -5
CM Punk has been piping it in for a while now, so this will only give someone else a chance to step up. I always found that the guy grossly overestimates his abilities and gives off the vibe that he believes he is some sort of legend. This could also just be him pulling the same move as Stone Cold when he began realizing that the company will do the same, if not better, without his presence. Now this internet darling can take on AJ Styles in a super flippy flippy match or whatever else those indiez do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 11:58:16 GMT -5
. But with the advent of the network, the traditional payoffs will likely be altered because the shows won't be bought for 60 dollars a month, but instead included in a flat 10 dollar a month commitment over 6 months. i.e. the exact same as just one PPV. And with that, WWE has yet to address if wrestlers will even continue to get payoffs, how that will be structured, or how low it might end up being based on the fact that only ten dollars will be made off a single person a month, as opposed to 60. The WWE weren't getting anywhere near $60 for a PPV sale. The PPV companies take a massive cut (around 50%) So the WWE are making $10 a month off people instead of $30 But then don't forget that at Royal Rumble they started showing Adverts between matches which I think they have started doing ready for the network, at the launch they stated "most" of the content would be ad-free, so you've gotta assume they'll be making up the difference by selling commercials during PPV's. Also they are banking on having more subscribers than the usual PPV buy rates. The workers PPV bonuses will probably be fine.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 29, 2014 11:58:45 GMT -5
Isn't the hope that by cutting out the middleman and offering it for $9.99/month (with a 6 month commitment), they would not only be making more money per subscriber, but they would also get way more people buying the network than would ever buy a PPV, thus balancing it out? Has any math been done on how many subscribers would be needed to get to that quota? Hopefully there's like economy people to parse this. I'm a film turned nursing person so this isn't at all my jam. I think the biggest concern at this point is how many variables there are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 11:58:54 GMT -5
I wonder which star will now surpass his year long reign. If he's gone for good the wwe will do everything in its power to surpass that.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 29, 2014 11:59:32 GMT -5
You know, as many people as there are justifying this move over the validity of it, it doesn't take away from the idea that it's still a dick move on Punk's part.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 29, 2014 12:02:47 GMT -5
But like... ok say 1.5x the people who buy Wrestlemania buy the network, so it's like a generous 800k domestic buys. that's like 300k buys at $60 spread across the remaining 5 PPVs, including Summerslam. So money-wise it's like Wrestlemania did the same and all 5 of those PPVs got 50k domestic buys. Granted they get more of that money than they would going through PPV companies, but even if they double their money earned per dollar spent it's still 100k buys which would be a dismal Summerslam or MITB figure. For context the rumor is that Battleground and Hell in a Cell combined for 363k buys (worldwide), which prompted no small amount of panic. I guess that's all conjecture, who knows how it's going to work out. Current key performance indicators buyrate chart for 2011-2013 ( ir.corporate.wwe.com/Cache/1001181648.PDF?Y=&O=PDF&D=&fid=1001181648&T=&iid=4121687 ): Imagine that being a flat line around the 50-150 mark and it's a concern if those spikes are your livelihood. Isn't the hope that by cutting out the middleman and offering it for $9.99/month (with a 6 month commitment), they would not only be making more money per subscriber, but they would also get way more people buying the network than would ever buy a PPV, thus balancing it out? Has any math been done on how many subscribers would be needed to get to that quota? This is what I was thinking. But of course, for us its all hypothetical. For the wrestlers, its real money. And if they don't know yet how the network is going to affect their pay per view "bonuses" they have every reason to be upset.
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