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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 7, 2014 12:20:04 GMT -5
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Apr 7, 2014 12:23:06 GMT -5
It still was his night. The ending and the fans chanting yes, and the image of him on the desk with pyro going off in the background will live on forever. While I agree that's an image that'll last forever, there will also be a huge shadow cast on that entire event. Most will probably remember it as the night the streak ended instead of the night Bryan finally won the big one. When video packages are shown, it will be of Bryan celebrating. It will be his legacy.
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Post by MGH on Apr 7, 2014 12:24:35 GMT -5
This was also the 4th time Bryan has won the WWE or WHC. I mean, this was only going to be so special even if Taker had won.
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Hanzo
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Post by Hanzo on Apr 7, 2014 12:35:20 GMT -5
This is from a response on Scott Keith's blog by user "JaR45". (http://www.rspwfaq.net/2014/04/the-smark-rant-for-wwe-wrestlemania-30.html)
I never thought it would actually happen, after a night of thinking about it, Undertaker losing to Lesnar is perfect if Taker is truly done. Because Lesnar IS the new Undertaker.
Think about it:
-He's a freak of nature capable of putting on great matches with just about anyone -He doesn't wrestle often, so when he does it's meaningful -Anyone who beats him becomes a "made man" -He's such a badass and has accomplished so much that no loss ever really hurts him.
Undertaker passed the torch last night. Fighting Brock at WrestleMania, the guy who ended The Streak *IS* the new streak match.
I don't mean he's starting a new streak. The streak was special and can never be duplicated.
When I say Brock is the new Undertaker, he's the special attraction they can build an event around. .
For all the "he should've lost it to Reigns or Wyatt or Cesaro", who knows if they'll ever be the draw that Undertaker was? Being typecast as "the guy who beat the Streak" for such a young career could submarine it vs. actually make it.
Brock was already a special attraction, so in a sense Taker truly did pass the torch.
My thoughts:
I'll admit, I was surprised. That's the first time in a LOOOONG time that I've been surprised by anything in pro wrestling.
I had always thought that Undertaker would somehow make it a couple of more years and then if he lost, he'd lose to Cena. But thinking about it, I don't think Undertaker has another match in him. In hindsight, I feel the same way this person does. Brock still relatively young and really young when it comes to being a special attraction. He can be a big special attraction (I think he's 36?) for few more years easy. Plus, it'll seem like a really big deal if someone like Daniel Bryan or Roman Reigns beats him (As far as I know, the only people to beat him since he came back are John Cena and Triple H, and losing to either of those guys certainly isn't going to hurt you. Whoever becomes the next guy to beat Brock will be in good company.)
And I'm just being honest here, I like Undertaker and he's had some good WrestleMania matches in the past few years, but as unique as it was, the Streak itself was getting somewhat old and boring to me. Granted, I guess he could have retired with the Streak in tact, but had he done that then to me, it would have made the most sense for him to do that after WM 28 against HHH in the Cell. ("End of an Era", 20-0, last match in one of the match types you made famous)
As a long time follower of pro wrestling, I can say I was surprised when I thought I'd never be surprised about anything in pro wrestling again. Props to both Taker and Brock. Undertaker's had a legendary career. There will never be another wrestler like him.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Apr 7, 2014 12:39:47 GMT -5
It's a testament to all guys involved in the last match that they won the crowd back.
I'm over it this morning. I wish it had been someone else. If it had to be Brock, I wish they had not beaten him so many times already. Oh well, it was Undertaker's choice. He still has an incredible legacy. The only lingering thing that bothers me is the dude who yelled "You suck."
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 7, 2014 12:41:55 GMT -5
I think Taker has something seriously wrong. I think that is the only explanation for the sudden and poorly built end to the streak. I don't know if it is injury or illness, but I suspect there is a lot more going on here than what we saw on TV. Hopefully it is something positive, like just wanting to not have to deal with wrestling anymore and preferring to stay home and bang Michelle McCool, but I'm worried. Honestly, I think it's just age. The man is 49 years old, and probably feels at least ten years older than that. In any physical activity we all wake up one day and realise we can't do it any more, and I'm sad to say that it seems 'Taker clearly experienced that moment at some point in the last few months and decided it was right to call time on the streak.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 7, 2014 12:43:53 GMT -5
No.
No.
And another thing: Why does everyone pretend like he's the most unstoppable bad-ass on the planet? Sure, he's tough, but it's not like the guy went undefeated in his little MMA tenure.
Also, the Undertaker could at least cut a decent promo. Brock speaks like someone who has the IQ of a large-mouthed bass.
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Post by DMO- on Apr 7, 2014 12:44:29 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly, Lesnar is more valuable right now than Taker if inly they could get him to stick around a few extra years, beating Lesnar at Wrestlemania will put anyone over HUGE! Taker lost at the right time to the right guy in my opinion.
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Apr 7, 2014 12:47:58 GMT -5
Shocked black dude with glasses for next years HOF.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Apr 7, 2014 12:49:13 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this, too, today. It can bring on the story next year of a young guy saying, "If I can't beat the streak, then I'll beat the guy that beat the streak." And who says that a new streak can't start now? Brock could start a new streak at 1-0 starting with Undertaker and they can tout it as "He's gone five years in a row at Wrestlemania without defeat" or something like that years down the road. Then when a younger guy beats him, maybe Roman Reigns or another young hot star down the road beats Lesnar it'll be a big deal and that person could start a streak.
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Post by sportatorium on Apr 7, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -5
No. No. And another thing: Why does everyone pretend like he's the most unstoppable bad-ass on the planet? Sure, he's tough, but it's not like the guy went undefeated in his little MMA tenure. Also, the Undertaker could at least cut a decent promo. Brock speaks like someone who has the IQ of a large-mouthed bass. He is booked as the legit toughest guy on the roster. Are there guys in UFC who could beat him? Absolutely. Are they coming to WWE anytime soon? No. His promo skills aren't a worry as long as Heyman is around. Undertaker was a man of very few words for a long time sharing promos with Paul Bearer.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 7, 2014 12:53:30 GMT -5
I don't think Brock's going to last as a special attraction. I wouldn't be surprised if this coming year will be his last, ending with him putting over someone younger at Mania and then not being on TV probably ever again.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 7, 2014 12:54:51 GMT -5
No. No. And another thing: Why does everyone pretend like he's the most unstoppable bad-ass on the planet? Sure, he's tough, but it's not like the guy went undefeated in his little MMA tenure. Also, the Undertaker could at least cut a decent promo. Brock speaks like someone who has the IQ of a large-mouthed bass. He is booked as the legit toughest guy on the roster. Are there guys in UFC who could beat him? Absolutely. Are they coming to WWE anytime soon? No. His promo skills aren't a worry as long as Heyman is around. Undertaker was a man of very few words for a long time sharing promos with Paul Bearer. If he's booked as the legit toughest guy on the roster, I guess those that have beaten him (Cena, Triple H, etc.) are gods. And f*** knows I don't want to get into "WHO CAN BEAT UP WHO?", but we have no way of knowing if he's the legit toughest guy on the roster. Obviously the solution to this is Brawl For All 2. Obviously if Paul Heyman is around, he's fine. But Undertaker could at least be passable without Bearer. Brock sounds like Jodie Foster in Nell.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 7, 2014 12:55:58 GMT -5
Allegedly Wade Keller is reporting that Vince left Mania to be with Taker after he was sent to the hospital. X-Pac tweeted something apologizing for tweeting without knowing "what happened." Wonder what's up. Hope Taker's OK.
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Post by Hanzo on Apr 7, 2014 12:58:13 GMT -5
Obviously the solution to this is Brawl For All 2. I'd watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:58:47 GMT -5
Anyone beating the Undertaker can make sense if you think of it like that, but really by ending the streak you're are putting equity into that person's career. No disrespect to Brock, but dumping that much equity into Lesnar at this point isn't the best investment when you look at the fact that he's in the autumn of his wrestling career.
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Post by Rican on Apr 7, 2014 13:00:51 GMT -5
Allegedly Wade Keller is reporting that Vince left Mania to be with Taker after he was sent to the hospital. X-Pac tweeted something apologizing for tweeting without knowing "what happened." Wonder what's up. Hope Taker's OK. Yeah I just saw Waltman's tweets. I'm a little worried now. twitter.com/TheRealXPac
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 7, 2014 13:03:22 GMT -5
I'm now shifting from how I feel about the streak ending to legitimate concern over Taker. Let's hope it really is just a concussion and he will be alright in a few days and not something more serious.
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Post by sportatorium on Apr 7, 2014 13:06:07 GMT -5
He is booked as the legit toughest guy on the roster. Are there guys in UFC who could beat him? Absolutely. Are they coming to WWE anytime soon? No. His promo skills aren't a worry as long as Heyman is around. Undertaker was a man of very few words for a long time sharing promos with Paul Bearer. If he's booked as the legit toughest guy on the roster, I guess those that have beaten him (Cena, Triple H, etc.) are gods. And f*** knows I don't want to get into "WHO CAN BEAT UP WHO?", but we have no way of knowing if he's the legit toughest guy on the roster. Obviously the solution to this is Brawl For All 2. Obviously if Paul Heyman is around, he's fine. But Undertaker could at least be passable without Bearer. Brock sounds like Jodie Foster in Nell. Cena hit him with a chain after being destroyed for the entire match. I agree with you that the HHH series was to make Hunter look tough. I don't know if Brock is the toughest guy on the roster, but on the current roster, he has the most storied competitive record in a sport that is based on being able to legitimately beat others up. That leads to his booking as a truly frightening fighter who can maim people. If Santino all of a sudden was booked as a tough guy due to his background, it would be hard for the audience to swallow it.
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Post by sportatorium on Apr 7, 2014 13:09:31 GMT -5
Anyone beating the Undertaker can make sense if you think of it like that, but really by ending the streak you're are putting equity into that person's career. No disrespect to Brock, but dumping that much equity into Lesnar at this point isn't the best investment when you look at the fact that he's in the autumn of his wrestling career. Did they miss an opportunity to put a young guy over? Absolutely. They did use Shawn to retire Flair & 'Taker to retire Shawn. They have a history with doing it this way.
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