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Post by The Trashman on Apr 7, 2014 13:14:02 GMT -5
Anyone beating the Undertaker can make sense if you think of it like that, but really by ending the streak you're are putting equity into that person's career. No disrespect to Brock, but dumping that much equity into Lesnar at this point isn't the best investment when you look at the fact that he's in the autumn of his wrestling career. Its not about "investment" Taker was done. He probably wanted to stop after retiring Michaels and they convinced him to wrestle a few more times. He picked Lesnar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 13:16:38 GMT -5
Anyone beating the Undertaker can make sense if you think of it like that, but really by ending the streak you're are putting equity into that person's career. No disrespect to Brock, but dumping that much equity into Lesnar at this point isn't the best investment when you look at the fact that he's in the autumn of his wrestling career. Its not about "investment" Taker was done. He probably wanted to stop after retiring Michaels and they convinced him to wrestle a few more times. He picked Lesnar. What do you mean he was "done?" I haven't read any interviews or anything that states he's retiring like every acts like he is. I mean, I'm not saying he's NOT, just that there's a lot of conclusion jumping going on. He picked Lesnar, ok - the debate isn't whether or not he picked Lesnar, but whether or not it was the best idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 13:17:28 GMT -5
Anyone beating the Undertaker can make sense if you think of it like that, but really by ending the streak you're are putting equity into that person's career. No disrespect to Brock, but dumping that much equity into Lesnar at this point isn't the best investment when you look at the fact that he's in the autumn of his wrestling career. Did they miss an opportunity to put a young guy over? Absolutely. They did use Shawn to retire Flair & 'Taker to retire Shawn. They have a history with doing it this way. WWE is no stranger to this move, that's true.
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Post by khali on Apr 7, 2014 13:23:58 GMT -5
That X-PAC tweet is a little concerning. It sounds like he knows something, and that it's something not good.
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Post by Error on Apr 7, 2014 13:24:01 GMT -5
If he's booked as the legit toughest guy on the roster, I guess those that have beaten him (Cena, Triple H, etc.) are gods. Since this is apparently shocking info I'll spoiler it {Spoiler}{Spoiler}THEY ARE!
Seriously, since he has returned to WWE, only the absolute God tier talent have beaten him. Hell, even then he's put down Hunter twice, destroyed Cena, shattered HBK's life twice, and did what only Rock and Taker could do in nearly 2 years and this beat Punk in the center of ring. They are making Brock the new unstoppable monster.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 7, 2014 13:24:14 GMT -5
Anyone beating the Undertaker can make sense if you think of it like that, but really by ending the streak you're are putting equity into that person's career. No disrespect to Brock, but dumping that much equity into Lesnar at this point isn't the best investment when you look at the fact that he's in the autumn of his wrestling career. Did they miss an opportunity to put a young guy over? Absolutely. They did use Shawn to retire Flair & 'Taker to retire Shawn. They have a history with doing it this way. Anyone who ended the streak would have gotten the same reaction that Brock got. I get wanting to get new guys over, but ending the streak shouldn't be the basis of their push because then they quite literally have to live up to 20+ years worth of hype. So it was never going to be anyone in the undercard (Cesaro, Wyatt, Reigns). Punk was a maybe, but he also walked out of the company with no notice. The only guys with a believable enough credentials were Cena and Lesnar and they went with the latter.
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Post by domrep on Apr 7, 2014 13:26:47 GMT -5
Read a lot about how if the streak would end, it should have been ended by Cena, which I then ask: what benefit does Cena get by beating him? Cena's done pretty much everything, yeah ending the streak would be nice, but it's not a signature or career moment for a guy who has had several throughout his career. So if Brock was a bad choice, would Cena had been even better? He doesn't need the rub.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 7, 2014 13:28:45 GMT -5
Its not about "investment" Taker was done. He probably wanted to stop after retiring Michaels and they convinced him to wrestle a few more times. He picked Lesnar. What do you mean he was "done?" I haven't read any interviews or anything that states he's retiring like every acts like he is. I mean, I'm not saying he's NOT, just that there's a lot of conclusion jumping going on. He picked Lesnar, ok - the debate isn't whether or not he picked Lesnar, but whether or not it was the best idea. Do you really think he is going to wrestle another match after this? He has been showing up for 1 match a year for quite some time now. Would he actually give an interview saying, "This might be it for me." He has never done anything like that and I dont expect him to do it now. The streak has been his entire character for years now and without it he doesnt have a place in the WWE today. Maybe it wasnt the "best" idea but I think Taker wanted it to be like a death, sudden and unexpected. Most people dont get to ease out and say goodbye taking a farewell bow. They have done that before with Michaels and Flair, I guess Taker wanted something different.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 7, 2014 13:34:19 GMT -5
This was also the 4th time Bryan has won the WWE or WHC. I mean, this was only going to be so special even if Taker had won. Bret was champion before WM 10 and that didnt seem to matter.
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Post by slaughterama on Apr 7, 2014 13:38:25 GMT -5
I'd like to add this. People who don't typically follow wrestling are talking about Brock Lesnar beating Undertaker today. WFAN in New York, the #1 rated sports radio channel on the planet has even mentioned it. Not a peep about Bryan. Fact is, it has mainstream media and the casual fan talking today. It has people talking about wrestling today, that normally wouldn't be. If Cesaro, or Reigns, or Wyatt ended the streak last night, people would be like, "Who the heck is that? Did you see that the fat guy from the last Seinfeld died?" If Taker won, nobody would care.
That it was an enormous name and a polarizing public figure that did it has people buzzing. All WWE has left to invest in Taker moving forward was "The Streak" once a year. They have Lesnar for almost 2 more years. At this very moment, the most marketable names the WWE has to the casual fan or the person who hardly follows the product, are Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock, and Brock Lesnar. Only 2 of them can still compete. Only 1 of them is contractually obligated to do so, albeit on a limited basis. Having Brock win makes sense on just about every level from a business standpoint.
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Post by machomuta on Apr 7, 2014 13:38:42 GMT -5
About time he lost. He moved and looked like a guy in the his 70's.
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Post by CH Punk on Apr 7, 2014 13:46:20 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with the decision to "pass the torch" to Lesnar. But, only on the condition that he doesn't f*** off again in a year. If he can stay and be that monster and the guy that is the ultimate final boss, then this makes sense and works. But if he gets sick of WWE again and just runs away to his house, then this was a waste.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 7, 2014 14:03:59 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with the decision to "pass the torch" to Lesnar. But, only on the condition that he doesn't f*** off again in a year. If he can stay and be that monster and the guy that is the ultimate final boss, then this makes sense and works. But if he gets sick of WWE again and just runs away to his house, then this was a waste. As long as the money is there, I don't see Brock quitting until his body gives up on him. And since he only works like 12 shows a year, his body can last longer than guys like D-Bryan.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 7, 2014 14:08:00 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with the decision to "pass the torch" to Lesnar. But, only on the condition that he doesn't f*** off again in a year. If he can stay and be that monster and the guy that is the ultimate final boss, then this makes sense and works. But if he gets sick of WWE again and just runs away to his house, then this was a waste. Love this idea of Lesnar being the new undertaker like figure that shows up sporadically and noone can beat
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 7, 2014 14:19:19 GMT -5
As somebody who rarely watches WWE, I admit to actually marking out when Brock won.
I don't dislike 'Taker, but Lesnar and Heyman freaking rule. Great shock moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 14:38:26 GMT -5
What do you mean he was "done?" I haven't read any interviews or anything that states he's retiring like every acts like he is. I mean, I'm not saying he's NOT, just that there's a lot of conclusion jumping going on. He picked Lesnar, ok - the debate isn't whether or not he picked Lesnar, but whether or not it was the best idea. Do you really think he is going to wrestle another match after this? He has been showing up for 1 match a year for quite some time now. Would he actually give an interview saying, "This might be it for me." He has never done anything like that and I dont expect him to do it now. The streak has been his entire character for years now and without it he doesnt have a place in the WWE today. Maybe it wasnt the "best" idea but I think Taker wanted it to be like a death, sudden and unexpected. Most people dont get to ease out and say goodbye taking a farewell bow. They have done that before with Michaels and Flair, I guess Taker wanted something different. I could easily see him cutting some cryptic, yet not-so-cryptic Undertaker style promo about how "the Dead man is finally laying down to rest" or something like that. I don't see him just disappearing and never being seen in a WWE ring again. The streak was just the streak, it didn't encompass the entirety of Undertaker's career so why would the streak ending automatically = his career ending? And as far as him wrestling again - I don't know. No one really does, but treating speculation like fact really isn't the way to go.
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Post by Mac on Apr 7, 2014 14:59:11 GMT -5
I still say this makes perfect sense. It was shocking, got everybody talking about wrestlemania. Hell, a local am political talk snow started the snow talking about . Undertaker was probably going to disappear for another 11 months but instead were left with a heel who seems unbeatable and a face champion whose about as over as anybody ever has been... Looks good for the remainder of 2014.
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Post by 543Y2J on Apr 7, 2014 15:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Apr 7, 2014 15:14:15 GMT -5
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but the Undertaker's streak being broken is getting a ton of mainstream news coverage. I don't think the WWE ever generated this much media coverage for something that was purely a storyline. I'm seeing coverage on Forbes, FOX Sports, ABC News, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Washington Post, etc...
Pretty amazing.
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Post by camsamurai06 on Apr 7, 2014 15:21:35 GMT -5
I couldnt give a toss about giving the rub to an up and comer. There is no up and comer that qualifies beating the streak, even guys that will go on to do big buisness in the future, because this buisness is completly fickle and the next big guy can burn out pretty quickly. We are priviledged with the likes of a 'Taker, a HHH, a Cena and a Sting, but they do not come lightly.
I am absolutely ok with Brock. I loved the way the match played out, the story of an old dog playing his usual tricks and being overpowered, let down by time and age, and Brock's mainstream MMA appeal means he helps blur the lines between reality of sports and the illusion of kayfabe.
IWC fans can't look past their own arses to spot the sun, so little wonder they're cold about this. And it is f***ing glorious
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