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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 15, 2014 2:04:14 GMT -5
Most times in wrestling, a guy will undergo a gimmick change or comeback years later under a similar or different name.
For instance. Sycho Sid was Sid Justice in 1991/92, but was he suppose to be the same character in WWF continuity?
Same for X-Pac, was he and the Kid the same?
I know that Kane, Isaac Yankem and Fake Diesel aren't in the same continuity but what about Zeb Coulter and Uncle Zebekiah or even JBL and Justin Hawk Bradshaw?
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Post by EyeofTyr on Apr 15, 2014 2:23:51 GMT -5
They made passing references a few times to his run as Justice during his Sycho Sid days, so I'm going to say yes.
When X-Pac initially showed back up, they more or less acknowledged who he had been. So, yeah, it was the same character.
They've hinted at and made references to Uncle Zebekiah and Zeb being the same character. Though it gets a little murky as more recently JBL said on play by play that he "reminds him of his uncle". Which ties the Hawk character and JBL to one another, but blurs the lines with Zeb a little more.
Worth noting too that the more direct tie to Hawk and JBL is that he was Hawk when he was abducted by the Undertaker, was made into one of the Acolytes, which evolved to the APA, which led directly to JBL.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2014 2:35:56 GMT -5
1-2-3 Kid was Syxx, with 1+2+3=6, and he came into WWF acting and looking idenitcal to Syxx, so I think that was meant to be taken as a smooth transition.
They've called Zeb Uncle Zeb a number of times, and explicitly said Zeb was short for Zebekiah, I believe, so that should probably be taken to be acknowledgement that he is the same guy.
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Post by TGM on Apr 15, 2014 15:18:51 GMT -5
Were all the different incarnations of Crush the same guy? I think this was discussed here recently, and we came to the conclusion they were all the same guy, except for Demolition Crush.
One I've always wondered is The Godfather. I know Papa Shango isn't supposed to be the same as Supreme Fighting Machine Kama, but was he the same man who joined the Nation of Domination as Kama Mustafa, and eventually, The Godfather? Although my own personal canon, all these 'men' are the same person. A voodoo worshipping MMA Black Power Pimp.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Apr 15, 2014 16:17:44 GMT -5
They're only the same person if you know they're the same person.
There, it's settled.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Apr 15, 2014 16:41:44 GMT -5
Were all the different incarnations of Crush the same guy? I think this was discussed here recently, and we came to the conclusion they were all the same guy, except for Demolition Crush. One I've always wondered is The Godfather. I know Papa Shango isn't supposed to be the same as Supreme Fighting Machine Kama, but was he the same man who joined the Nation of Domination as Kama Mustafa, and eventually, The Godfather? Although my own personal canon, all these 'men' are the same person. A voodoo worshipping MMA Black Power Pimp. I always felt they were all the same. Even Demolition Crush.
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Post by thegame415 on Apr 15, 2014 17:06:23 GMT -5
One I've always wondered is The Godfather. I know Papa Shango isn't supposed to be the same as Supreme Fighting Machine Kama, but was he the same man who joined the Nation of Domination as Kama Mustafa, and eventually, The Godfather? Although my own personal canon, all these 'men' are the same person. A voodoo worshipping MMA Black Power Pimp. Who became a censorship extremist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 17:34:10 GMT -5
Were all the different incarnations of Crush the same guy? I think this was discussed here recently, and we came to the conclusion they were all the same guy, except for Demolition Crush. One I've always wondered is The Godfather. I know Papa Shango isn't supposed to be the same as Supreme Fighting Machine Kama, but was he the same man who joined the Nation of Domination as Kama Mustafa, and eventually, The Godfather? Although my own personal canon, all these 'men' are the same person. A voodoo worshipping MMA Black Power Pimp. Papa Shango and The Godfather are different people. The Godfather/Goodfather is the same as Kama Mustafa and Kama The Supreme Fighting Machine.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 15, 2014 18:34:57 GMT -5
Were all the different incarnations of Crush the same guy? I think this was discussed here recently, and we came to the conclusion they were all the same guy, except for Demolition Crush. One I've always wondered is The Godfather. I know Papa Shango isn't supposed to be the same as Supreme Fighting Machine Kama, but was he the same man who joined the Nation of Domination as Kama Mustafa, and eventually, The Godfather? Although my own personal canon, all these 'men' are the same person. A voodoo worshipping MMA Black Power Pimp. Papa Shango and The Godfather are different people. The Godfather/Goodfather is the same as Kama Mustafa and Kama The Supreme Fighting Machine. How did Kama become the Godfather?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 18:41:36 GMT -5
Papa Shango and The Godfather are different people. The Godfather/Goodfather is the same as Kama Mustafa and Kama The Supreme Fighting Machine. How did Kama become the Godfather? My memory might be a bit muddled but I believe he had that name as a nickname in the Nation then it became his ringname and eventually he was surrounded by Ho's and was now a Pimp.
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 15, 2014 18:45:22 GMT -5
Were Avatar/Shinobi/Leif Cassidy/Al Snow supposed to be one in the same? How about Jacques Rougeau and the Mountie?
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2014 18:55:09 GMT -5
Were Avatar/Shinobi/Leif Cassidy/Al Snow supposed to be one in the same? How about Jacques Rougeau and the Mountie? I think the Mountie was, but Al Snow was, at most, also Leif Cassidy. Wasn't the birth of the !EMPLEH-faced Al Snow, though, that he went crazy due to all of the stupid gimmicks that he had to endure? In which case, it is all the same guy.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 15, 2014 19:03:02 GMT -5
How did Kama become the Godfather? My memory might be a bit muddled but I believe he had that name as a nickname in the Nation then it became his ringname and eventually he was surrounded by Ho's and was now a Pimp. Pretty much, Farooq was "the leader" and Kama Mustafa was "the Godfather" or advisor of the Nation. Then, well, insert lighting that blunt up and pimping being easy and you know the rest.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Apr 15, 2014 22:54:50 GMT -5
Worth noting too that the more direct tie to Hawk and JBL is that he was Hawk when he was abducted by the Undertaker, was made into one of the Acolytes, which evolved to the APA, which led directly to JBL. you're forgetting that whole New Blackjacks period, plus the fact that the Acolytes were just a renamed Hell's Henchmen, who had already been repackaged with Jackyl.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Apr 15, 2014 23:20:45 GMT -5
How about Kanyon and Mortis: One in the same or not related at all? And if totally separate, were both gimmicks active at the same time?
And try to make sense of every incarnation of Make a Difference Rikishi Fatu.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2014 23:22:56 GMT -5
Worth noting too that the more direct tie to Hawk and JBL is that he was Hawk when he was abducted by the Undertaker, was made into one of the Acolytes, which evolved to the APA, which led directly to JBL. you're forgetting that whole New Blackjacks period, plus the fact that the Acolytes were just a renamed Hell's Henchmen, who had already been repackaged with Jackyl. I could have swore they were actually called the Acolytes when they were still with Jackyl, since they were his acolytes, and then he was out and the Ministry was a thing.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Apr 15, 2014 23:38:24 GMT -5
I could have swore they were actually called the Acolytes when they were still with Jackyl, since they were his acolytes, and then he was out and the Ministry was a thing. they did use the Acolytes name under Jackyl as well.
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Post by TGM on Apr 16, 2014 10:41:12 GMT -5
How about Kanyon and Mortis: One in the same or not related at all? And if totally separate, were both gimmicks active at the same time? And try to make sense of every incarnation of Make a Difference Rikishi Fatu. Kanyon was an unmasked Mortis, after Raven injured him, they were the same person. And how did they acknowledge that The Supreme Fighting Machine was Kama Mustafa?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2014 10:57:47 GMT -5
Were Avatar/Shinobi/Leif Cassidy/Al Snow supposed to be one in the same? How about Jacques Rougeau and the Mountie? I think the Mountie was, but Al Snow was, at most, also Leif Cassidy. Wasn't the birth of the !EMPLEH-faced Al Snow, though, that he went crazy due to all of the stupid gimmicks that he had to endure? In which case, it is all the same guy. At one point I remember Al Snow came out dressed as the Avatar and cut a promo... then took his head off and said something like "not again... this gimmick couldn't draw money if you shoved a magnet up my ass and dragged me threw fort knox"
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 16, 2014 11:03:24 GMT -5
I think the Mountie was, but Al Snow was, at most, also Leif Cassidy. Wasn't the birth of the !EMPLEH-faced Al Snow, though, that he went crazy due to all of the stupid gimmicks that he had to endure? In which case, it is all the same guy. At one point I remember Al Snow came out dressed as the Avatar and cut a promo... then took his head off and said something like "not again... this gimmick couldn't draw money if you shoved a magnet up my ass and dragged me threw fort knox" Yep. This was after the Bossman cooked/fed Al's dog Pepper to him. Al "went off the deep end" The Smackdown after the Raw you mentioned, a returning Bulldog beat the Bossman and then Al came running down to the ring dressed like Leif Cassidy
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