mrbananagrabber
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Apr 18, 2014 19:09:43 GMT -5
I've read a few comments on here, the last being in the Miz backstage video thread, about JBL raping people in the showers.
Is there any actual documentation of this? What started those rumours?
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Post by Essential1 on Apr 18, 2014 19:14:31 GMT -5
Duke Droese.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Apr 18, 2014 19:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 18, 2014 19:16:49 GMT -5
So far as I know, he did not actually "rape" anyone. But he did leave someone hog tied with a ball gag in their mouth.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 18, 2014 19:19:24 GMT -5
Jesus christ, that's terrifying. "If you don't put up with my sexual harassment, you're a prima donna!"
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Apr 18, 2014 19:28:41 GMT -5
You're squealing like a piggie. I LOVE IT, MAGGLE.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 18, 2014 19:34:17 GMT -5
Another sign of how profoundly messed up the wrestling world is that this was considered acceptable. Have to wonder if those days are over or if this thing still happens under the radar.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Apr 18, 2014 19:45:07 GMT -5
Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed.
Yeah, you can probably make a fair assumption from this story that bad similar stuff happens in the industry, but this particular anecdote can't technically be deemed sexual harassment if nobody's claiming to be a victim. You can't put your own feelings into the scenario, no matter how messed up it may seem.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 18, 2014 19:53:48 GMT -5
Another sign of how profoundly messed up the wrestling world is that this was considered acceptable. Have to wonder if those days are over or if this thing still happens under the radar. Bill DeMott will ensure that it keeps happening. Funny story, RVD was once asked if JBL pulled any shower stuff with him in an interview. RVD responded by saying "Nope. He knew I'd kick his ass.".
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 18, 2014 20:05:48 GMT -5
Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed. ...that's not really true. If Edge didn't want JBL to do that, it was unwanted contact. You might make a case that it's acceptable because Edge wasn't bothered, but the problem there is assuming that Edge was okay with the act itself... as in, if Bradshaw hadn't been his superior at a company Edge wanted to keep working at, and if the culture wasn't ACT OKAY WITH IT OR WE'LL JUST DO IT YOU MORE, PANSY.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 18, 2014 20:06:52 GMT -5
Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed. Yeah, you can probably make a fair assumption from this story that bad similar stuff happens in the industry, but this particular anecdote can't technically be deemed sexual harassment if nobody's claiming to be a victim. You can't put your own feelings into the scenario, no matter how messed up it may seem. Thing is, things like this are usually considered sexual harassment because if you consider it a "It's only harassment if someone feels like a victim" and have a "Also if you feel like a victim there will be negative consequences for you" like the prima donna comment suggests, then even if someone feels like a victim they'd be inclined to keep their mouths shut out of fear for their career. Like I get your point, but there's some dangerous logic in "nothing wrong if nobody is claiming to be a victim" when there's consequences for claiming to be a victim.
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 18, 2014 20:08:21 GMT -5
So far as I know, he did not actually "rape" anyone. But he did leave someone hog tied with a ball gag in their mouth. For what it's worth as well: The story also claimed when JBL DID go that far on someone, the victim was a person who the wrestlers knew was using GHB on women himself.
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Post by Chip on Apr 18, 2014 20:10:20 GMT -5
I think he may be talking about JBL sticking hotdogs up Brian Christophers ass?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 18, 2014 20:23:50 GMT -5
Didn't JBL or Finlay leave Khali crying in a shower or something?
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 18, 2014 20:36:36 GMT -5
So far as I know, he did not actually "rape" anyone. But he did leave someone hog tied with a ball gag in their mouth. For what it's worth as well: The story also claimed when JBL DID go that far on someone, the victim was a person who the wrestlers knew was using GHB on women himself. That was Droese.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Apr 18, 2014 20:39:36 GMT -5
Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed. ...that's not really true. If Edge didn't want JBL to do that, it was unwanted contact. You might make a case that it's acceptable because Edge wasn't bothered, but the problem there is assuming that Edge was okay with the act itself... as in, if Bradshaw hadn't been his superior at a company Edge wanted to keep working at, and if the culture wasn't ACT OKAY WITH IT OR WE'LL JUST DO IT YOU MORE, PANSY. The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries. Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 18, 2014 20:47:48 GMT -5
...that's not really true. If Edge didn't want JBL to do that, it was unwanted contact. You might make a case that it's acceptable because Edge wasn't bothered, but the problem there is assuming that Edge was okay with the act itself... as in, if Bradshaw hadn't been his superior at a company Edge wanted to keep working at, and if the culture wasn't ACT OKAY WITH IT OR WE'LL JUST DO IT YOU MORE, PANSY. The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries. Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it. No, because you're (presumably) not hugging the person's butt, crotch, or breasts. It's obnoxious behavior, and it's not acceptable if the person's not okay with it, but there's nothing overtly sexual about it, so it's not sexual harassment. Convincing someone that what you're doing to them isn't harassment doesn't make it okay. There's a difference between wanting something to happen and not flipping your top about it once it does happen.
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Post by mo on Apr 18, 2014 20:49:43 GMT -5
Bet he wouldn't have tried that with Joey Styles
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 18, 2014 20:50:52 GMT -5
The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries. Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it. No, because you're (presumably) not hugging the person's butt, crotch, or breasts. It's obnoxious behavior, and it's not acceptable if the person's not okay with it, but there's nothing overtly sexual about it, so it's not sexual harassment. Convincing someone that what you're doing to them isn't harassment doesn't make it okay. There's a difference between wanting something to happen and not flipping your top about it once it does happen. That's definitely sexual harassment.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Apr 18, 2014 21:14:15 GMT -5
The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries. Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it. No, because you're (presumably) not hugging the person's butt, crotch, or breasts. It's obnoxious behavior, and it's not acceptable if the person's not okay with it, but there's nothing overtly sexual about it, so it's not sexual harassment. Convincing someone that what you're doing to them isn't harassment doesn't make it okay. There's a difference between wanting something to happen and not flipping your top about it once it does happen. You don't get what I'm saying. We all draw our lines, and we all define what places or actions might be construed as sexual. A tight hug or a foot rub could mean nothing... or they could mean something. Nobody has a right to declare a set of intrinsic parameters for everybody. Ultimately, a victim can only be a victim if that person feels impacted by it. Even if it involves touching a butt.
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