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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 25, 2016 13:50:30 GMT -5
Jennifer Lawrence is the target of criticism because her character has been pushed way too much as the core of these films.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 25, 2016 13:55:33 GMT -5
The JLaw hate is really getting on my tits. They aren't even apt, as half the 'oh but it looks like Hunger Games' shit is just that, shit. Nothing in this trailer looks like Hunger Games beyond Jennifer Lawrence is in them. By that logic, the cage fighting scenes look like a particularly violent episode of Eastenders cos a guy from that is in them. It's pathetic, and what's worse is that the characterisation changes for Magneto, Xavier and Beast isn't drawing anywhere near the level of criticism. I'm not even close to be a SJW or whatever, but it's getting to the point where it really does seem like some nerds have it in for the hot girl, especially when most of the criticisms will be production/direction decisions and nothing to do with her. She did an interview last year where she openly admitted that she put her foot down about the blue makeup, stating that she hated the process and didn't want to do it. That's why she gets so much hate, because she knowingly signed on to play a blue character which would require heavy makeup, then used her star power to completely kill the visual of the character. Imagine Hugh Jackman refusing to sport sideburns and claws, or James Marsden refusing to wear a visor. Also, I doubt Michael Fassbender is running to higher-ups demanding he be written poorly. Singer and the writers take the blame for the poor characterization you just mentioned, but Mystique just being a normal looking woman most of the time is purely the fault of Jennifer Lawrence, hence the sharp jabs thrown her way.
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Post by Legion on Apr 25, 2016 14:19:16 GMT -5
The JLaw hate is really getting on my tits. They aren't even apt, as half the 'oh but it looks like Hunger Games' shit is just that, shit. Nothing in this trailer looks like Hunger Games beyond Jennifer Lawrence is in them. By that logic, the cage fighting scenes look like a particularly violent episode of Eastenders cos a guy from that is in them. It's pathetic, and what's worse is that the characterisation changes for Magneto, Xavier and Beast isn't drawing anywhere near the level of criticism. I'm not even close to be a SJW or whatever, but it's getting to the point where it really does seem like some nerds have it in for the hot girl, especially when most of the criticisms will be production/direction decisions and nothing to do with her. She did an interview last year where she openly admitted that she put her foot down about the blue makeup, stating that she hated the process and didn't want to do it. That's why she gets so much hate, because she knowingly signed on to play a blue character which would require heavy makeup, then used her star power to completely kill the visual of the character. Imagine Hugh Jackman refusing to sport sideburns and claws, or James Marsden refusing to wear a visor. Also, I doubt Michael Fassbender is running to higher-ups demanding he be written poorly. Singer and the writers take the blame for the poor characterization you just mentioned, but Mystique just being a normal looking woman most of the time is purely the fault of Jennifer Lawrence, hence the sharp jabs thrown her way. That's still a lot of hate for something that Beast is also doing...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 25, 2016 14:20:49 GMT -5
She did an interview last year where she openly admitted that she put her foot down about the blue makeup, stating that she hated the process and didn't want to do it. That's why she gets so much hate, because she knowingly signed on to play a blue character which would require heavy makeup, then used her star power to completely kill the visual of the character. Imagine Hugh Jackman refusing to sport sideburns and claws, or James Marsden refusing to wear a visor. Also, I doubt Michael Fassbender is running to higher-ups demanding he be written poorly. Singer and the writers take the blame for the poor characterization you just mentioned, but Mystique just being a normal looking woman most of the time is purely the fault of Jennifer Lawrence, hence the sharp jabs thrown her way. That's still a lot of hate for something that Beast is also doing... But Nicholas Hoult didn't do an interview and state that he refuses to wear the Beast makeup. That's the big difference.
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Post by Legion on Apr 25, 2016 14:47:13 GMT -5
Being that it takes between 8 and 3 hours to get the make up on, I cant really say I blame her.
And she has since said she'd be happy to carry on doing it, and she never actually said she didnt want to do it, just that it took so long which puts her off because of the process and the potential for concerns about her skin etc. being covered in it for so long every day.
It still comes off as people jumping on her for something that would frankly put anyone off doing a role.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 25, 2016 15:06:40 GMT -5
Jennifer Lawrence is worse than Chris Evans at keeping the superhero 'mask' on during movies. 'Listen. I won an oscar. I'm only here because I signed a contract. I'm not gonna be blue for most of this stupid thing." To be fair to Evans, the helmets he had in The First Avenger and The Avengers made him look stupid. Also, Cap isn't visually defined by the helmet, as he still has a full costume that clearly tells you he's Captain America. Mystique is really not Mystique if she isn't blue. They've also seemed to have remedied the "no helmet" issue thing for Evans' Cap in Civil War, if trailers are any indication.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 25, 2016 16:05:37 GMT -5
You would think after DOFP people wouldn't doubt Singer
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 25, 2016 16:59:13 GMT -5
The JLaw hate is really getting on my tits. They aren't even apt, as half the 'oh but it looks like Hunger Games' shit is just that, shit. Nothing in this trailer looks like Hunger Games beyond Jennifer Lawrence is in them. By that logic, the cage fighting scenes look like a particularly violent episode of Eastenders cos a guy from that is in them. It's pathetic, and what's worse is that the characterisation changes for Magneto, Xavier and Beast isn't drawing anywhere near the level of criticism. I'm not even close to be a SJW or whatever, but it's getting to the point where it really does seem like some nerds have it in for the hot girl, especially when most of the criticisms will be production/direction decisions and nothing to do with her. Seconded. Sure, she could be in her "natural" state a bit more, but her performances have been perfectly fine, especially given that Mystique is actually a fleshed-out character with a story arc in these movies. I never had any issue with Romijn, but her Mystique was a mostly-silent henchwoman in the first two movies, and not even that in the third.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 25, 2016 17:31:16 GMT -5
Jennifer Lawrence is worse than Chris Evans at keeping the superhero 'mask' on during movies. 'Listen. I won an oscar. I'm only here because I signed a contract. I'm not gonna be blue for most of this stupid thing." To be fair to Evans, the helmets he had in The First Avenger and The Avengers made him look stupid. Also, Cap isn't visually defined by the helmet, as he still has a full costume that clearly tells you he's Captain America. Mystique is really not Mystique if she isn't blue. Yeah, the Avengers helmet was weirdly goofy, made him look like he had a real fat head: ![](http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/the-avengers-chris-evans-captain-america-image.jpg)
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 25, 2016 23:01:53 GMT -5
I watched the preview thingy they aired after Raw. Plenty of images of Jubilee and Samurai Psylocke, and it was set to Filter's "Hey Man, Nice Shot."
This is still gonna be set in the 80s, right? 'Cause I got a distinctly 90s vibe from that whole thing.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 25, 2016 23:02:49 GMT -5
yeah 80's
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Post by wisdomwizard on Apr 25, 2016 23:11:43 GMT -5
Cap's helmets looked GREAT.
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Post by Joker on Apr 26, 2016 5:18:16 GMT -5
I have no problem JLaw she's a good actress. However I do have an issue with the Mystique character.
In the comics her main trait is basically backstabbing everyone which by now should have got her killed off, yet characters keep letting her join teams. Her story's are either character building for rogue or night- crawler or she's an underling villain for a bigger bad.
Yet in the JLaw x-men films she's almost heroic and an mvp? This isn't the Mystique I know and don't care about. This is more like making Morph from the animated series female and blue and me still not being interested in the character.
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Post by Stu on Apr 26, 2016 9:17:54 GMT -5
Yet in the JLaw x-men films That's exactly what this franchise has become. I liked it better when it was the Hugh Jackman X-men Films.
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Post by ICBM on Apr 26, 2016 9:38:54 GMT -5
3-6 hrs just to get dressed for work. Then repeat the same scene time after time lots of which is done with an actor in CGI mocap gear against a green screen. Do that for three months at a time and it's going to get old. I like her role in the x-films and understand her demand that they limit the make-up. I am not letting it screw this up for me. I've waited since 1986 to see Apocalypse on screen vs the x-men. I won't let one detail that may come off fine on film, ruin it for me. I'm sympathetic to you if you are bothered by it. Trust me I've watch many adapted novel and comic character faves get completely screwed up. But this one, I'm allowing quite a tolerance for changes
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 26, 2016 11:39:26 GMT -5
You would think after DOFP people wouldn't doubt Singer Even that movie had its flaws. Primarily making Xavier's breakdown based mainly on losing Mystique, considering he encouraged her to join Magneto in First Class. Personally I never bought the idea their relationship was THAT strong to justify such a reaction from him. Had they made his paralysis the core of his breakdown, I would have considered that far more credible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 12:05:42 GMT -5
Lawrence's Mystique is a more compelling character for me, than most of what was done previously in the films and in the comics.
I like this Mystique and her arc - in First Class, she was at first Xavier's right hand then was kinda seduced by Magneto's way of doing things.
Then in DoFP she became her own person acting of her own volition, becoming more uncompromising and antagonistic towards the people she once saw as "father figures/leaders."
So we've seen her grown (emotionally/personality-wise) from a child to rebellious adolescent and in Apocalypse I'd imagine we'll see her as a fully realized adult who will likely have to save the people (Magneto/Xavier) who she once relied on for guidance.
I think the character has been given a more interesting backstory/journey this way. The character got a chance to grow and evolve rather than just be a static villain/mercenary/killer type.
In regards to her being the center of the storytelling - well, when I think about X-Men a lot of themes revolve around identity and identity crisis. "Who am I really?" "Do I belong?" "Am I human or mutant or both?" Things like if I'm a mutant and my mom is human - what does that do to me emotionally?
So, in many ways, Mystique as a shapeshifter is the best embodiment of that sentiment.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 26, 2016 12:57:00 GMT -5
Jennifer Lawrence is the target of criticism because her character has been pushed way too much as the core of these films. Mystique is the Roman Reigns of mutants... except I'm slightly more attracted to her than Roman.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 26, 2016 21:06:19 GMT -5
Singer talks Wolverine cameo
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 26, 2016 21:23:06 GMT -5
Wolverine will be half man half beast, making canon the "Mutated Wolverine" backstory we all secretly wanted for the movies.
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